Guess who just showed up at Daz! The Mil big cat!!!! wheeee!!!

I saw that. Have you bought it yet? How did they do that male lion mane?

ick the morphs for it are not very good... i was excited about this release but now that i've seen the final product.... i have to say i'm very disappointed

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's not bad, but I kind of like Lyne's wildcats better.

I'll probably buy it anyway, though. Gotta use up those vouchers somehow.

Thank you for the compliment! I was VERY excited waiting for Robert's mil big cat... but now that I see it, it does not even seem like what I saw in the previews long time ago.. I really don't care for this figure at all. :(

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Did poser 5 make the hair? I have not bought P5 YET, but plan to! :)

yes Poser 5 made the hair:) Iwas playing with hair and displacement maps in P5. I can't wait to see what you do...your so good already with plain old Poser 4!

The good news ... it takes vic3 textures and morphs... ( Sorry , I'll go away now.)

I myself was verry surrprised and disappointed... at the faces, verry little detail and verry unrealistic and the paws are odd looking too, daz should have Noggin do all animal`s, Noggin does incredible work! the bodies look good and I bet they pose nice. Daz does nice rigging and they do good quality stuff like people and clothes. Lynn your work is also excellent I have at least a hand full of animals you did, my favorite is your egret and flamingo they are so real lookig : )

Hmm...nickedshield your render actually looks better than the Daz pictures of the cats they have on the site.

I've been going through the files and it appears that this package is incomplete. 19 mat files, no try 14. I didn't consider the P4 duplicates. Textures advertised 21, not hardly, try 14. transmaps 13, I haven't found 1, the same with the 2 bump maps. Maybe I should try redownloading and see what happens.

nickedshield I was wondering the same thing myself, I wonder if they did post work to the male and didn't bother to say anything about it. So far I am not a very happy camper with the mill big cat. :O(

I just sent an e-mail to the sales department. Tomorrow is Friday, I may get an answer. Might just be another file that hadn't got posted, like the mil horse. FWIW: If you are looking for a pre-set cub, this cat dosen't have it. You need Lyne's Lion Pride.

nickedshield this what I got in the texure folder
CheetahM.jpg
BlackJaguarM.jpg
JaguarM.jpg
LeopardM.jpg
LionM.jpg
LionessM.jpg
SabertoothM.jpg
PumaM.jpg
TigerM.jpg
WhiteTigerM.jpg
EyeGoldM.jpg
EyeBlueM.jpg
ShortHairB.jpg
LongHairB.jpg
I think you are right the forgot some files like 4 Mane Maps @ 512x512 each ElbowTuft @ 1024x672 2 TailTuft Maps @ 1024x672 each 2 TailTuft Maps @ 512x512 each 2 TailTuft Maps @ 1024x672 each 13 Transparency Maps 2 Bump Maps

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Looks like you got what I did. Since I don't have everything I can't give an honset opinon on it. I like Lyne's and if she had a decent mesh to work with, would probably blow the mil lion away.

The background in this pic is from Lin White's Primal Dreams collection.

I can't draw a mane (or hair). I made the head wider in the temple area. Also made the feet smaller.

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good point buddy36s.... about the eyes on the Daz promo renders. those renders they have up definately put me off as a customer... and like i said i was really looking forward to the big cat and i wanted to buy it. i could just be overly picky because i'm a big animal fan. ;) and maybe my view on the mil big cat will change once i see more good renders like in this thread.

This big cat looks too sweet, like I want to pet him/her instead of running away. I like the black panther version, he looks pretty good. The rest of them seem to have rather strange proportions. They don't look like the real thing to me and also don't look like cartoony ones either, they're somewhere in between. I've been debating to hold on to my vouchers or not to wait for this one, but I decided not to wait. In the end that wasn't a bad choice after all as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps when someone creates some really convincing images with it, I may change my mind about the mil cat. But for now I really don't like them. Actually none of the DAZ animals (except for the mil dragon) has ever really impressed me. A lot of the other stuff at DAZ really impresses me though.

I 'd go along with the majority view on it - the tiger and possibly panther morphs aren't too bad but both lions have moved on almost zilch from earlier attempts for lions the 10$ site max models are way better bar the pain of rigging and the free dedicateddigital tiger probably gives the tiger a run for its money ; )

Cliff said over at DAZ that the beta he saw had a mane. So either they forgot to include it, or they are planning to sell it separately.

And I agree, the DAZ renders don't seem to do the model justice. The few renders that have been posted so far look a lot better than DAZ's popups.

Why am I reminded of the Millenium Horse debacle?

Dramatic angles perhaps, but still no even close to the real thing.... These cats just don't look right at all, the do not fit into the normal quality and care DAZ puts into their products. Seems to me that they may have been rushed perhaps.

Because once again, problems were pointed out, and DAZ went ahead and released the model anyway? (That's what they are saying over in the DAZ forums, anyway.)

I have to say, I've been disappointed with DAZ's animal models lately. I adore the MilCat, but since then, the animals have been mediocre.

Maybe somebody at Daz should subscribe to National Geographic for more than the pictures of semi-clad native women.

Maybe somebody at Daz should subscribe to National
Geographic for more than the pictures of semi-clad
native women.

:) I'm looking through the "8 morphs" right now. So far, the only one that comes close to actually looking like the target cat is the Jaguar, and it shares with the others a neck so weird that it destroys any chance of using the head anywhere except in "See what I can do!" cartoons for the Gallery. I just flipped to the lion and realized that he looks just like the Nature Conservancy stuffed one I skipped when I bought my toy ferret. Great. Plush animals figures for your rendering needs.

My first reaction to the product was "Not a chance." That was prompted in part by being screwed over with the MilDog bundle, in part by listening to people agonize over the MilHorse (which I was lucky enough to resist), but mainly by the poor quality of the advert render. I know teenage hobbists who can draw better-looking lions freehand than the ones in the main ad. And it is not encouraging to see the folks who bought the mesh crying "Where's the mane?" My guess, it eloped with the dog's bushy tail and they are off to create a new planet.

DAZ has arrived at that point in a company's evolution when they believe that anything with their name on it will sell like hotcakes. And the market keeps reinforcing this arrogant perception by buying what is obviously poor quality and then bitching about it.

People who continue to hand their credit cards over to DAZ every time some new item appears in the newsletter are getting what they deserve. Sorry, but there you are.

M

so, when's the bigcat being released? it's good that Daz have released the Millenium Big Cat Plushie Doll for us all to play with, but I think we were all expecting the Cat right now..

Khai That was too fast to be anything but a coincidence! M

First I'm sure it's not easy to create one figure that morphs into several different breeds and there's probably going to be flaws in each breed that need to be worked out. We've got some great morph makers in the community and I'm sure they will make up for whatever the big cat lacks. However, I'm not happy that I see a mane in the promos and that there is no mane included. The ad copy says mane and tail tuft maps and I have none. I hope this is just a case of forgetting to upload some files...

It might not be arrogance, but desperation. They sunk a lot of money into Bryce. They need to get it back somehow.

you know, looking at this model... it really looks like they were using King of the Pride for reference... ;) lol Mickmca I was thinking the same thing ;)

We've got some great morph makers in the community... Sorry, but when I buy a product, I don't expect to have to fix it before I start using it. Thanks to the MS folks for teaching us that bit of consumerism. M

I'm pretty disappointed with the long-awaited big cat too. I sincerely hope the folks at DAZ are reading this thread and are QUICKLY planning a FREE service pack release for those of us who bought it in good faith-- one that provides (A) any/all missing pieces AND (B) some additional improved morphs. The faces really need some serious additional attention. This product promised a great deal and delivered mediocrity, which is very sad.

this is beyond repair by a quick service pack. they really need to start over....

I took a good look at the Mil Big Cat, the ad the pop-ups and all images posted in the various forums and immediately went out and bought ... Lyne's wild cats. Hers look like real cats which I, unfortunately, can not say of the Mil Big Cat. Like most other people with a modicum of experience with feline anatomy - I think this model just has too many flaws in basic anatomy. I think in some ways it has even more problems than the MilHorse. With the platinum club discount and vouchers I could get it basically for free, but I still can't get excited. Guess I'll wait a couple more days and see what develops.

"With the platinum club discount and vouchers I could get it basically for free, but I still can't get excited" Especially if one takes in account that there's other great and much better looking stuff one can get at DAZ.

no there arent any transmaps yet

the texture maps are the usual good quality

I'll mostly be using the leopard/puma with maybe an occasional cheetah thrown in ; ) BUT very unlikely to use lion

I 'll be using the big feet morph in minus mode a lot

I think I m going to be looking for variations in cat eye textures to add some effects like smaller or bigger pupils
reflected glow in the dark etc

I wont be using the open mouth poses all that much

Thanks for posting this thread. I wish I'd seen it before I purchased the Big Cats. However, after seeing them in production (they didn't look too bad in the promos), I asked Daz for a refund (the first one I've asked for since buying from there). They were very nice about it and did give me a voucher for it (which I used to get Brom). Even though I don't yet own any of Lyne's cats, the production images I've seen in the gallery look far more realistic than these guys.

Well,did anyone ask why they waited so long to inform the general public about the $10.00 voucher and free membership in the PC Club til the end of OCT?Then just what...two days later I think the Big Cat is released and has been a disaster?I mean come on guys...this wouldn't pass Quality Inspection here or anywhere cept DAZ which believes it can patch up all of its mistakes after products are released. This thing has flat feet,looks more like it just came back from the taxidermist and different people are missing different things in their downloads with the most glaring being the lionsmane. What happened here is simple,DAZ could not have missed all these problems...under normal circumstances the product would be sent back to be worked on almost anywhere else,but DAZ knows its members are very forgiving and in fact for all their follys,one of their greatest selling points is how quickly they fix their mistakes. Well this time I don't think the sheep are buying it as the members over there seem both disappointed and outright angry...we're talking some of their most loyal buyers here kiddos,the ones who love DAZ to death. Compare the free DD Tiger to theirs and you see its better...compare Lynes Wildcats and her Lions/Tigers to theirs and you see a huge difference in the area of realism as she got it right~thus,proving Big Cats can be done realistically and without these kind of flaws.If I weren't up to my eye holes in debt I'd go get Lynes stuff just to prove my case to ya...but I think you know what I'm saying. But I'm not pointing my fingers at the creators here,mistakes get made all the time...but where was DAZ Quality Control (a hint...ever see that pic Dogs Playing Poker~thats DAZ Quality Control at its best).I am very disappointed to see such a bad product on the market and the pics posted by n0s4ra2 only prove they have potential...but even in those images you see the flat feet,the white of the eye and on some that were posted on DAZ,there seem to be some seam issues along the back of the leg. Its time for a recall and do these kittys justice by fixing the problems but most of all...they have to fix the face so that more than the nose wrinkles up as when a big cat snarls,by god their whole face seems to ripple in a terrorizing gaze that lets you know that you are on the menu tonight!So...don't buy these,go pick up Lynes if you must have big cats now cause i have yet to hear anyone complain and all the images I've seen done with them look extremely realistic.

Can anyone give me a link to Lyne's cats, so I can have a look at them too? Thanks!

Attached Link: http://www.vistainternetproducts.com/

Thanks!

Attached Link: http://www.vistainternetproducts.com/wildcats.htm

Wow.impressive. DAZ should really get these people doing their animals.

aeikema, If you want a comparison look at my galley posting http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=nickedshield I think I used just about everything from the package. If you need more expression, the Mimic Lion morphs, free stuff, works fine.

Ok, is there a MilKitty LE version available for free somewhere? PPppppllleeeeeeeeeezzzeee??

Yeah...its on Kazaa roflimao.Want to know a trick...find some people who like the cats that don't do 3D art and have them buy them for you as a gift.Do them a few pieces to pay them back and note to Daz notice I said this as I got in trouble on a gift I recieved where the person buying it bought on another site using a different name...just note the above username...its c-e-d-a-r-w-o-l-f so if some stranger buys it and tells you its a gift,check with cedarwolf to see if it arrived:)

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