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Forget about the Bryce manual - it mentions features that doesn't exist, blah, blah, blah. If you want to learn Bryce 4 buy Susan Kitchen's book 'Real World Bryce 4'. If you go to www.addall.com and enter the books title you'll get a list of bookstores selling it real cheap (cheaper than Amazon and Barnes & Noble usually). At over a 1000 pages it is thorough and accurate. Hope this helps, Jade

Ah... you beat me to it, Jade. I was going to drop in on this thread and suggest just that... the RealWorld Bryce books are not just the best Bryce reference, but the best reference I've seen written for any program. I learned Bryce from her RealWorld Bryce2 book. :)

Dear Ironbear: I SWEAR I read the manual and yet with every chapter I read of RWB4 I find myself saying 'I didn't know you could do that'. Just goes to show you, Jade

Yeah me too... after I bought RWB2 I practically threw my bryce2 manual away and never regretted it. Susan Kitchens has a knack for putting some of the most in depth techniques into an easy to read and understand form that most other manual and aftermarket book authors would do well to copy. Everything that I know about using image textures and the terrain editor in Bryce I learned from her book - the manual was virtually useless on those two subjects.

Do any of the techniques she covers apply to Bryce 3D or is the book strictly for Bryce 4 only? I have found "The Bryce 3D Handbook" by Shammis Mortier (is that the right author?) not detailed enought for me. The book glosses over some key concepts and doesn't provide enough clarity IMO. I was just wondering if the concepts in her book could be applied to Bryce 3D. Or is 3D and ver 4 completely different animals?

There's a few that may not apply, but for the most part bryce4 seems to me to just be bryce3D with better handling of import geometry and improved animation capability. Also a few bug fixes... as I understand it, RealWorld Bryce4 was origionally titled RealWorld Bryce3D, but since B4 followed so closely on the heels of B3D, it was held up, rewritten slightly and released [finally] as RW Bryce4. Most of the tips and techniques should work... I even still find a lot of RWBryce2 applicable to Bryce4. One thing that did change... bryce4 imports dxf and 3ds according to wireframe parts, so it doesn't have an annoying tendency to weld imported 3D models solid any more...

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If you have the Bryce CD, the manual is on there in PDF (adobe acrobat) format.