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Subject: Poser 5 Animation Problem

arrow1 opened this issue on Dec 29, 2004 · 25 posts
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arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 12:27 AM · edited Tue, 04 February 2025 at 9:47 PM

There was a thread a little while back about how to overcome a blank grey screen when playing back an animation after rendering in Poser 5.I cannot seem to find it! Can any of you good people assist me with this problem? arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

xantor ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 1:45 AM

I have never had that problem, you do have sr4 installed?

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:00 AM

Sure do! arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

xantor ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:04 AM

Which codec do you use when saving?

operaguy ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:40 AM

Arrow1, are you rendering out to individual frames? When you do that, you see each frame as it renders before it is saved to disk. ::::: Opera :::::

xantor ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 6:51 AM

A problem with rendering single frames is that if there is no compression they take up a lot of room on your hard disk even a five minute animation will use a huge amount of hard disk room.

operaguy ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 7:20 AM

ok..... what is your post processing tool for animation? You can render out to individual large .tif, then import them into your software, apply effects, make movie (which will be substantially smaller) and then delete folder of frames. This way you have control. for instance... I use QuicktimePro and other software. ::::: Opera :::::

RealDeal ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 8:40 AM

I have some tricks, but I'm not sure if they actually fix any problems, they just worked for me when something else didn't. I do all animation output to cinepak codec, with quality set to 100% set at keyframe every 15 frames; I started doing this with P4P, because I would apparently randomly get the grey screen when using other codecs, or corrupt video in general. this apparently fixes the problem I was having, but it may have just been my machine. you get some compression, and very little loss. If its a BIG/long animation, do a test render; if you render out your animation at 80x80 or 160x160, even with everything turned on but shadows, it'll not take very long, and save you the agony of realizing you just wasted hours of platform time. If you are doing work with P4P, or P5 without the firefly render engine (not using dynamics or cell shaders? the P4 renderer will be nearly equal), consider getting a copy of Vue D'esprit 4 with Mover 4; if you can find it for sale, it'll probably be cheap and will allow you to spread your render out over networked machines. In P5, I have no problem with p4 engine renders, but the only way I can get firefly renders to create anything is if I output as uncompressed format. Vue 5 and mover 5 allegedly work with P5 dynamics, but I can't afford a copy at the moment, so I can't really say. Hmm. I wandered from the question.

operaguy ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 9:18 AM

Realdeal, are you rendering directly to codec? I still don't understand why the posters here doing heavy animation don't render out to individual files. 1) you see each frame render on your screen, so you KNOW if you are getting the deadly gray screen. 2) You can also see if something is not right part way into the mass render. 3) You can abort any time, then start again from where you left off. 4) Since your output is in the very highest format, uncompressed tif for each frame, you have total control over then post-processing and compressing. 5) you can toss the individual frames at the end if disk space is an issue. ::::: Opera :::::

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 9:39 AM · edited Wed, 29 December 2004 at 9:40 AM

"even a five minute animation will use a huge amount of hard disk room."

That's true, but if you do animation, you should always want the raw output at the highest possible quality (which will obviously take up lots of hard drive space), because you're going to want to bring it into post processing at the best resolution you can to avoid "second generation" deterioration of the video quality (artifacting).

If you're just doing video that's strictly for the web, I guess it doesn't matter as much. But if you have any plans on doing video for broadcast, film, DVD, or even CD, then the raw output should be done to a format that is not "lossy".

I recommend getting an Acom external harddrive. You can get up to 100 gigs of extra storage for saving video, etc. They're really great. :-) Message edited on: 12/29/2004 09:40

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 11:39 AM

I am not quite sure if we are all on the right track here! I am just trying to test an animation I have made, and something in the Poser 5 animation setup needs to be switched on or turned off.If I use the Poser 4 Render engine I don't have any problems.I am using Full frames uncompressed,current render settings and saving to my hardrive.The animation sequence when rendered, automatically plays back in Windows Media Player 10.For some reason it is playing back as a blank screen.Someone a little while back had the same problem and a post with a fix was mentioned I (think)in the Renderosity Poser Forum. arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 11:48 AM

Arrow, how big is the movie file after it's rendered? Is it possible you have run out of system resources after the render was complete, and your computer just doesn't have the memory left to open the file? Have you tried to open it after a reboot?

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 11:49 AM · edited Wed, 29 December 2004 at 11:50 AM

Also, try rendering it to image files, as was suggested previously. Even if you don't render the whole animation, just see if it renders correctly frame by frame that way.

Message edited on: 12/29/2004 11:50

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 11:56 AM

Also, if you can post a screencap of your "make movie" settings and render settings, it might help someone to pinpoint the problem.

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 12:17 PM

I would doubt very much I would have run out of memory as I have a dual machine with 1.5 gigs of ram and over 60 gigs free on the hardrive I am using.The file when rendered with Poser 4 render engine was about 60 megs.I will post a screen cap later of my Poser 5 render settings.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 12:23 PM

Yeah, best to post sceencaps of your render settings and your make movie settings then. You should have plenty of Ram, so I don't think that's the problem. Your dual machine is wasted on Poser though... it doesn't utilize both processors from what I understand. :-(

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 12:45 PM

I have set up this machine for Vue.That is why it is a dual processor.It just happens to have Poser 5 on it as well.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

xantor ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:06 PM

I have used the divx 3 and 5 codecs for making dvd stuff but the codecs settings are at the highest quality possible. They are very good at the high settings and are probably the fastest codecs for encoding videos. That is not for poser stuff it is for a video capture card, but of course it would work for poser animations, too.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:39 PM

file_161282.jpg

Here is the first of my render settings.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

arrow1 ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 2:52 PM

file_161284.jpg

Here is the second.Cheers arrow1

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,4 Terabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 4060 TI 16 GIG Gig,12 TH Generation Intel i9, Dual LG Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,128 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA RTX 3060 Gig,1 Terabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 11 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus INFINITY Laptop 64 Bit,64 gigs RAM.Intel i9 chip.Windows 11 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.23, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.

xantor ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 3:11 PM

When I make animations I usually render to new window, you could try that out.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 6:25 PM

Yeah, I don't see anything "abnormal" there, except you might wanna render to a new window, and you don't need displacement checked unless you're actually using displacement maps. Otherwise, everything looks fine. Can you post a screencap of your "make movie" settings as well?

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Dale B ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 8:58 PM

Go to the top bar. Select 'Animation', and from the menu 'Make Movie'. The option you want to choose is 'Use current render settings'.

maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 10:05 PM

"The option you want to choose is 'Use current render settings'." I was going to tell him the same, Dale, but I think he already said he used that option. That's why I want to see his make movie settings. There's nothing in his render settings that would seemingly cause such a problem.

Tools :  3dsmax 2015, Daz Studio 4.6, PoserPro 2012, Blender v2.74

System: Pentium QuadCore i7, under Win 8, GeForce GTX 780 / 2GB GPU.

Dale B ( ) posted Wed, 29 December 2004 at 10:14 PM

Assuming that is correct, I can think of two other possible causes off the top of my head; (1)The codec install in Windows is hosed in some way. Poser depends on your OS to be configured right, and version conflict or the interferance of another app can kill a codec pretty quick. Also, some codecs auto-destruct, to force an upgrade. Those tend not to be too popular in the world, but they are still out there... (2)Where is the camera in all of this? Another cause of gray screen is the camera's view fustrum being clipped -inside- an object, such as a wall. There is a very small window of conflict where you can see the scene, but it simply will not render because the rendering 'lens' is occluded by some prop or other...

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