Eeeeeyup. I'd probably be...dismayed if I actually sat down and added up what I've plowed into Poser and content, Vue and content, the Adobe editing suite I've been building up, and all the other applications and what not. Never mind the hardware. But careful shopping and barain hunting where applicable makes it much easier.

$600.00 is not to much for a product like this...when you have that money and it's not my case at the moment.

$599 is a great price for a product like this. I've got TrueSpace 6.6 too ($595) and I don't even use it half at much as I do Vue. Unfortunally as a European user I don't pay $599, but over $800, due to some currency policy E-On has and that is way to much for me to pay.... Don't have that kind of money at the moment and even when I would have it, I wouldn't get it, don't like it that someone else is paying over $200 less then I do for the same product.

don't like it that someone else is paying over $200 less then I do for the same product.

Get your government to lower its taxes. That'll have a positive effect on prices all the way down the line.

Or, alternately -- move to the US. Our taxes are too high over here, too.....but not as bad as in Europe. Message edited on: 02/03/2005 16:53

Gasoline (petrol) costs a lot more in Europe, too. Those absurd taxes again...........

That would be 35% of tax on Vue 5I and we don't have 35% tax in Europe.... only 15%.

Besides that the product isn't shipped from the US at all.... it shipped from France, so these all of these extra import taxes don't apply at all.

As for as the gasoline concerns, that does have special tax rate (like wine, beer and sigarets) and that is very high indeed. But the tax rate for software is 15% and not 35%.

It's all due to the 1-1 currency exchange rate, 1 dollar is 1 euro. All of the world can pay in dollars, except for us Europeans, we are singled out and pay absurd prices.... It's a mysterious issue and E-On doesn't reply to questions asked regarding this issue. But back to topic again, Vue Infinite sure looks good and I'm for sure going to download the demo once it arrives. I want to see this Eco stuff in action! By the way are protesting people included too when I do not use this eco system in Vue wisely? I can already see the people assemble in front of my house with signs like, Save the Vue Eco System! Rescue the Vue Enviroment!

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High taxes drive prices up across the board. High gasoline taxes drive the price of software up, just as high taxes drive the overall cost of living up.

Pretty much everything costs more in Europe than it does in the US.

Many Canadians cross the border into the US in order to buy their gasoline and to do their grocery shopping.

Canada has tax rates which are comparable to European rates.

It's the high price of socialism -- which we have too much of in this country, too.

However, this isn't a politcal debate forum, so I'll let the matter drop.

But back to topic again, Vue Infinite sure looks good

On this point, we agree 100%.

"High taxes drive prices up across the board. High gasoline taxes drive the price of software up, just as high taxes drive the overall cost of living up."

XENOPHONZ,

I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The point is that it's expedient for vendors to equate the Euro with the dollar even when, as now, they're way out of line. Your gasoline tax is indirect, it's what you're paying for the war in Iraq, which is really all about securing future oil supplies.

If you think that war is preferable to reducing your energy consumption, just don't expect many Europeans to agree with you. You know that some of us are actually proud to pay taxes, to support our health services and the unemployed and undepriveleged? It's called having a social concience.

I especially liked the purple fingers lifted up for oil......no.......I mean for freedom. I have easy responses to your other points (such as they are) -- but I will not continue this mini-debate here. This forum isn't the place for it. Keep this up, and we'll get our posts deleted or the thread locked. Back to discussing VI..........

I have easy responses to your other points (such as they are) -- but I will not continue this mini-debate here.

No, I can understand that. Post inflamatory stuff, get self righteous and pull out before the posts get deleted when people answer you back. You've done it enough in the Poser Forum, so why not here?

One thing I am curious about, isn't there a relationship between e-On and France. I just wish March 15 was here for a couple of reasons.. Better weather and now Vue 5 Infinite. I am not sure if I want to even mess with older Vue 4 pro with reading all the cool features. It would be sad thing to lock or kill this thread, because I feel it will help get new users. One of most realistic CGI Landscape pictures I have ever seen is in this thread ( #77 ).

You took the words out of my mouth hstewarth. This is to good a thread to have it locked because of difference in opinion with politics. It has nothing to do with what this thread is all about. :) I would like to see more renders and more discussion on Vue Infinite and what it has to offer.

One thing I am curious about, isn't there a relationship between e-On and France.

e-on is a French company, based in Paris, though I believe the workforce is from all over.

iloco, I doubt agiel would lock the thread, just maybe delete some posts. He's a European too, we are generally moderate people:)

Agree iloco, I would especially see a lot of detail information about the Ecosystems. Does e-On have some screen shots of setup screens in V5I. The whole idea Ecosystems just get my mind thinking about future images.

No, I can understand that. Post inflamatory stuff, get self righteous and pull out before the posts get deleted when people answer you back. You've done it enough in the Poser Forum, so why not here? yawn Believe that if it makes you feel better. Trust me, I have no problems with holding down my side of a debate......but in the proper forum for political issues. Not to mention in the proper thread. Which isn't this one. As for anything that I say in the Poser forum that you don't happen to like.......please feel free to engage me over there at your convenience. The water's fine.

P.S. If agiel is willing to give us carte blanche to rumble, then I'll be only too happy to oblige you.

In a different thread, created specifically for the purpose.

Please do it in another thread. Is that to much to ask. :o( I get tired of getting email notice and come to visit the thread and its off topic.

I get tired of getting email notice and come to visit the thread and its off topic. And you are justified in feeling that way.

Getting back to the topic of thread.. Have you notice the enhancement for Surface Baking. Lightwave 3d has this feature and I think it will help speed up renders a lot. I would really curious on how this works in V5I. I am curious once the materials are bake, can the user go back and editing - adding details and such. I really hope e-On creates some online tutorials for new features and make them available before March 15.

I thought I would chime in for a couple of observations : - I read recently that, contrary to appearances, the current high prices for gas is not due to the war in Iraq but to China and India creating large reserves of oil in case of future crisis. Their needs are expanding at a rapid rate and putting a strain on an already stressed production system. - Eco-systems really work as advertised. You can select multiple objects, rate their importance in the distribution and control the distribution with many parameters. I can't tell you more than what was announced though because of the agreement I signed as a beta tester. - In case someone has any doubt, the picture posted by rodluc2001 is a photograph :) - I am sure e-on will create tutorials about eco-systems. They have done a lot of work with their online demos already.