On looking over the very drool worthy Infinity, I noted there still seems to be no particle system for Vue? Hm, you think they'll make a particle add on or something? lack of a particle system seems a flaw in anotherwise amazing product. Yes I know particle systems are currently in more high end products, but this IS 2005, not 1995... Oh well, I still have Particle Illusion SE ;)

There is also a particle system for Poser sold at Daz which I'm told is exportable. (I mean the results are.) Has anyone here tried it?

I think E-on is waiting for the release of 64 Bit Windows, which will be sometime later this year- perhaps mid-summer. When 64 Bit Windows hits the streets I think E-on will have ready a mind-blowing Particle System that will take advantage of that kind of processing power...

What makes you think that? 64 bit processors aren't going to make particle systems all that much better or more practical. Perhaps you're overestimating the potential advantages... - Oshyan

As far as i see the Ecosystem feature will be a huge progress in Infinite. I could imagine that this even covers some of the features people need a particle system for. Not for smoke, fire and flowing fluids of course, but for a lot of other things it should be possible from what i have seen and understood.

If they have the python support in better this time it should be possible to write a particle system for Vue itself. Now all I need to do is get a bit better at writing python ;-)

The site tells you can control ecosystem with python, so if we had an ockham for vue, it would certainly be possible to get a particel system in Vue!!!!

Yes, TONS-O-STUFF are possible with someone with good Python skills. That's why I think E-on called their newest product "INFINITE"- because once people get their hands on it and some smart Python writers start writing for it - it will become a much more powerful app. But of course- don't expect these to be free- I think we might see them for sale in E-on's new Cornucopia Store- Add-On's, Plug-In's, Python Scripts for Vue Infinite. When you think about it, E-on has already prepared the way with it's new Ecosystem concept- this is a form of "particle system" in a way. Making a weather system out of this is not that far off, I think. E-on probably decided to not promote this right now because it has a TON-O-STUFF to do to get Vue Infinite ready by March 15 with as few bugs as possible. The new Ecosystem will probably test many people's system limits anyway. If they can handle a huge Ecosystem render- then MAYBE they will be ready for a complex particle weather system...

Veritas777, I really don't think you got the idea behind ecosystem at all.... As far as we can see now, we don't need a supersystem to use it, even E-On confirms that. They've just created a new way of doing things in V5I to use the system resources available in a much more efficient way. Even the Ecosystem example movie was created and rendered on a 512Mb system.

I know you want to move into 64bit asap and want to get rid of all the 'older' pc's and have 64bit applications only, but don't expect to happen anytime soon.

From what I gather, Vue Infinite with it's new ecosystem will be much less demanding on a system then Vue 4 Pro or even Vue 5 is now.

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I'm not interested in "getting rid of older PC's". The 32 Bit operating system will be around for many more years. I'm just interested in getting a Windows XP 64 Bit OS for my OWN USE. I really don't don't care if other people don't want to upgrade to it (but I don't think that will be the case). This same thing happened when Microsoft came out with Windows 98 and many people clung to their Windows 3.1 for many years- (or many still clung to DOS and said "I will never use anything except DOS!") I really don't care what other OLD OS's or computers other people use- I'm personally interested in getting the BEST system hardware and OS WITHIN REASON (I could get a CRAY or an SGI, but they don't run the cheaper and easy to use programs like Vue 5, etc.)- so upgrading to to 64 Bit Windows won't require the cost of a new car, and won't require everyone who uses "older computers" to get rid of them. BTW- Vue 5 REQUIRES an OS above Windows 98- and I feel very certain the reason why E-on did that, and why Vue 5 runs so much BETTER than Vue 4 is that E-on made it a fully 32 bit OS application and stopped trying to make it compatible with OLDER Windows 98. Progress IS a GOOD THING. Not EVERYONE has to go that that way, of course...

"I'm just interested in getting a Windows XP 64 Bit OS for my OWN USE. I really don't don't care if other people don't want to upgrade to it (but I don't think that will be the case)." You don't think so? There's plenty of people still using win98. I've still got a win98 one for the kids and the times I do use it, I just love it. It's so uncomplicated, none of these unnessary bells and whistles and junk Microsoft pushes on us. I will not be upgrading to a next version of Windows for a long time, I haven't even got SP2 for WinXP, due to all of the changes and junk that goes along with it. As for Vue 5 running so much better then Vue 4 I do not agree with you at all. I'm using Vue for very complex scenes and Vue 4 always served me well, but Vue 5 can be quite a nightmare, crash upon crash. Not always, but at times it can be a pain to work with Vue 5 when it comes to stability.

as for sp2, you realy ought to get it if youre running xp, the changes are for your own good (security wise), same with win98, it worked once in a time but if your kids are online on a win98 rig, man its a scary world today for such an old geezer :) and i wished that all the win98 users thats online would upgrade to winxp or move over to mac, it would be a safer world for all of us :)

And as for stability goes, win xp is heaps above win98 so progress realy is a good thing when it comes to an os, then again no one should be forced to upgrade and that i do agree with you on, its a free world, but there are lots of good reason as to why using a modern os is a good thing.

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"I haven't even got SP2 for WinXP, due to all of the changes and junk that goes along with it." (...) "As for Vue 5 running so much better then Vue 4 I do not agree with you at all(...)Vue 5 can be quite a nightmare, crash upon crash." I start to see a connection... And you? ;)

"I start to see a connection... And you?" Nope... there's no connection between the crashes and not having SP2. It's because I (and a number of others) are really pushing V5 to it's limits and that causes crashes, even E-On confirms that and is working on the solution for these crashes. Also may I point out to you that SP2 isn't a requirement for working with Vue5. Besides that all of mu other up-to-date software works fine on SP1.

oh, no! Microsoft friend said that to me! me must use new operating system or all terrible things will ahppen to my computer!!! ;D