@Pumeco So far I've taken no part in the debate/discussion. I've read most of the threads (especially those between you and Drac), maybe not all of them, but most. My only opinion is: if you want to win an argument, provide proof of what you are arguing for. Insulting others that have differing opinions is no way to get them (or others that read the thread) to agree with you; it is more likely to make them hostile. I'd also like to point out that the same is true in business. If you anger your clients, then they'll not buy from you. OK, maybe Drac went over the top sometimes. But if your only response (to Drac or anyone else who criticises you) is to release a stream of invective and insults, then you lose sympathy. You certainly haven't done yourself any favours in this thread. Cheers, Diolma. PS: I sincerely hope you your business career succeeds. I'm just trying to help.

@Rayraz Then perhaps it's time you started behaving like an adult, instead of acting like a hyper-active child.

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take a look in the mirror...

Oy If you children have finished wipe your asses and leave, or do you need someone to wipe them for you.

I've noticed it more and more that he is here less and less and who can blame him. No one wants to have to deal with such childishness. Zhann hasn't been here long enough to be put in the position of putting out these fires, I wonder if she's even got the power to lock threads. Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if AS quits this forum. All this arguing and its not even over anything Bryce related. I keep trying not to put my 2 cents in, I keep trying to ignore all this, but its quite difficult because this stuff is so senseless and depressing! I'd like to see a feature where the person who starts the thread has the power to lock it at the first sign of idiotism (I can't spell idiocrasy). I whole heartedly agree that personal attacks should not be allowed here. That said I'll go back to other things now.

@diolma Thank's for the concern, but you've probably noticed by now, that I don't care what ANYONE here thinks about me. I wouldn't offer them PRO-RENDER now, if my life depended on it. I'm pleased to say, my other business projects are doing just fine - but then those other projects never had to survive the egotism and paranoia of this Bryce forum. @Rayraz >>>Takes a look in the mirror<<< Geez Len, you're looking better by the day!

"lets keep the fire burning,lol" No one is gonna let this go. Sigh

well, I think compared to yesterday I kept things quite clean today :)

@Ang25 With respect Ang, if this forum had been sufficiently moderated, then we would NOT be in this situation. AgentSmith may not have been around constantly enough to monitor everything that's happened, but even so, when he was around, I don't think he did enough to stop this ongoing problem. As far as I'm concerned theres plenty of threads that should have been REMOVED altogether as soon as they appeared. However not only where they not removed, they weren't even locked. These are threads that are clearly malicious against pumeco or my product. I agree 100% about needing a way to lock your own thread, that's an awesome idea - but will it happen? I remember saying once, that there's SERIOUS problems around here, and if something isn't done about it, it's gonna get worse. Well... Nothing effective has been done about it, so here we are - it HAS got worse. And... If nothing effective EVER gets done about it, don't EVER expect it to change because it won't - period. I don't know exactly how long it's gonna take for the penny to drop around here, but someone's gotta do something about it sooner or later. Ok, it might be at my expense, but if all of this brings about a change here, then that's at least something the forum have got out of it.

Well as a lurker that has somehow found a way into this thread I can only say it's about time you jessies grew up. If you want to have a bull and a cow, have it privately, not on an open forum, and certainly not by hijacking someone elses thread. Grow up boys!

Ha! I leave for four days and everyone's freaking out. I have no idea what this thread is about, sounds like a bunch of over-sensitive sniveling brats crying about their toys. I'll be happy to get full-time internet access back so that I can join the ranks of whining pansies. In the meantime, pretend I typed out something meaningful and potent, or better yet, pretend I typed out something REALLY, REALLY funny! Go sit down, relax, and laugh, my friends. It's gonna be OKAY.

Well its starting to sound like its calming down. But will it remain this way or will some other knuckle head blow on the wisp of smoke and begin it all anew? I'll just sit back and watch. Ang wishes she had a good stiff drink today

Yow! - LSD pssst, hey, I've a Zip of the deleted thread ya know!

@Ang25 Come of it, we all know you're enjoying every minute of it ;-)

Splitting up the Bryce community, is this guy's only objective. His Quote ( I'm leaving today anyway. ) So does this mean after today 02/06/2005 we will never have to be insulted by you again. Well let me be the first to thank you....thank you very much. Now...good ridden.... good-by ...vaya condios

Yep, love you too, see ya dude ;-)

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Pogmahone I hope this continuing saga doesn't get you down any further. To those continuing the mudslinging I suggest 30 hours of community service might be an appropriate sentence. Stop wasting your energies trying to hurt someone (someone you don't even know!) and get out and help somebody in real need. You'll feel better for it and may achieve something instead of (maybe) making you feel like you've 'won' something here (and making yourselves look like bratty children to the rest of us).

Well, it's been interesting - I'll give ya that! Be sure to keep an eye on www.pumeco.com now d'ya hear! Goodbye. Len.

I personally find this all more entertaining than the super bowl. Heh heh. MoonGoat (Putting on the asbestos longjohns in spite of kind neutrality) P.S. Halftime and it's 7-7 ...

sheesh, it never ends. Sometimes I swear the C&D/OT/Den is back, and has jammed itself in here. Zhann, I hate to bug ya, but this thread is ripe for locking. I know it's your call, but it's what I'd do. It's obvious we're not going to come to any agreement on this, so maybe we should all drop it..

LOL Pakled, I think you're a day late and a dollar short. It seems to me to have cooled down considerably since yesterday. But it really should have been locked long ago. sigh

i'm in agreement with you pakled, only cause i'm in my agreeing mood today :p

"this thread is ripe for locking"

Amen to that. Ma'ash allah! (by the will of God) I've been gone a lot longer than four days.... never expected to see this box opened again. At least not to the degree it has. Pog, we'd all hate it if you left. Having said that, I can only pick out a handful of those who have hijacked this thread who aren't bickering like children. My thanks to those who are acting something like adults. For the rest of you, salaam wa shalom! Go and make yourself some tea or watch a comical movie.

A nut by any other name would smell like feet

Bump!

Oh. Wait.... wrong forum. Whoa! Len! I'll miss ya, dude! I personally never saw anything wrong with ya, and never really understood other's scorn. May all your future endeavors be peaceful and successfull! Have a good life. Ian.

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In'shalla and the creek don't rise..;)

Well... I see tha Dramatic Pumeco has started the Process all over again... Len...Just let it drop and let life go on... The Bryce Community has never been this bad and I hope it never gets this Bad again... Just STOP.... Most folks wish you a happy venture in the other Projects and wish that -*** did come out as a Freebie for folks that need the presets to Quickly do Promotional Materials for Adds and such...Even a low cost Product would have been great with some top notch Brycers as Betatesters you could have been makin a few bucks... But ya went about it wrong and you havent been totally up front with the community at Large..When Challenged to put up or Go away you just kept Ignoring the Challenge and havent responded...But you keep Popping up talking about -*** and getting everybody all upset... I said I Apologize to the Community at Large because I feel they dont need o see this Crap being Bantered around one of the best Forums that was online before Pro-Render was EVEN thought about... You I still challenged but I do understand you saying..."It's pointless because it has been Dropped" You can reply or Not...Until I see Pro-Render in action on my machine I will still consider it "VaporWare" Have a great and awesome money Making Ventures on your other Products...

Did I say Quickly...Oooops

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Ya know this gets so confusing. Pumco shows up has some great renders, says he/they have a product. Then refuses to give any details for more than a year. Then says its dropped. Then says no it exists. There are no details, nothing at all. All we have is any empty website with the pumeco promise that something is coming sometime. I'm sorry but there is no better definition of vaporware anywhere. As for the arguement that a development can't give out teasers...that's bull, then we'd at least be interested. It looked promising you guys but really with no info for more than year at all, how can you expect us to believe you. So put out or go away. I'd rather the put out, but I don't expect it.

I think we've had about enough of this, don't you?