Hi all, i'm sure this question's been raised a thousand times, but I'd like to get some advice and opinions from you. I've been browsing the MP looking for a realistic face or character for V3. I'm not interested on the textures, only on the shape and morphs of the character itself, mainly the face. To me (and this is only my opinion) most of them look like idealized versions of women, tend to look like dreamlike supermodels, or end up looking like anime characters, or totally unrealistic morphed versions of the same old Vicky... I'm more in the need of a simple, realistic, natural face. I don't know... just look at the lips on most characters! They're all puckered and inflated! Looks like they've all had botox and silicone implants all over! :D I'd like to find a character that looks different to the normal V3 (without going for a SP3, or Posette..), and yet be realistic, natural and most of all, believable. Anyone has any ideas? Any help? Thx, Ike.

Try "Silent Smile" from Compossmentiss. I think it is the best face morph on the market. Instead of many high resolution textures it really looks alive!

You're right speedgoat. That's a pretty good one! Perhaps I'll do some further tweaking, but that's a good option to consider. Thanks for the advice. Any others guys? Ike.

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Hi martian, I'm currently not working in Poser, I export the figures to 3ds Max7 and then apply SSS techniques and advanced lighting... been working on this for a few months now. So no need of Hyperreal for me, thanks!

Or you can go to Rendervision and pick up Helen. Her textures are so-so, but she's for free and she doesn't look like she'd ever heard about botox... or even diets (she does look a little bit Rubenesque).

Mmm... just tried Helen, it's good it's for free, but lacks a bit of realism. It's too similar to V3 too. It's quite good anyway. Thx.

I also went to look at "Silent Smile" by Compossmentis, I also really like the look of "Alasunthia - by the same artist.

ikercito, if I am not mistaken...you mean "natural and real" as in a person you might see walking down the street or working in a store, or your teacher, is that correct? Not just 'hyper-realistic' render or texture. Because those are two different things. Natural characters comes from using the face room or learning to morph a character's face really well into something natural. I do not use V3 for this...I use Judy+Eternal Judy. Inexpensive and powerful. And will look nothing like the V3 default. ::::: Opera :::::

That's it operaguy. I'm not worried about textures or light and render effects, or anything like that... My concern comes from the actual figure, the shape itself. I "create" my characters in poser, but I work on 3ds max, and I've been long time investigating sss shading techniques, texturing and illumination, in reference to the human figure and photorealism. Now that I've somehow mastered these areas, I'm in the need of a good model, as my V3s are starting to come quite short on realism... I don't think that Judy or EJ are much realistic. Don't know, maybe I haven't worked enough in the Face room, but to me V3 seems like the way to go. I'm actually considering buying Silent Smile for V3, but I'd like to get some more options, any other ideas? Thanks again guys! Ike.

I am on the same wavelength as you, then.

well, one avenue you seem to be pursuing is taking V3 and finding a way to get her natural and real. That takes smarts and persistence and thinking outside the box.

Judy/EJ, as another path, needs the same approach. I personally have tried both, and had more success with EJ.

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When it comes to natural faces -there are too many limits to talk about natural bodies-, I personally like subtigee's Jacqueline a lot (for V3), A_'s Marisol and Elouise and queequeg's Amanda.

Take a look at Just a Girl by Dalinise or Katie by Morris. Look them up by their merchants or you'll get stuck in a horde of toon GIRL's for the Dalinese one. This is as real as it gets. Both texturers are very fine. Emily

In my experience, the "reality factor" of a character is far more affected by the character's texture than it is by the character's features.

As for body types and such -- real people come in just about every configuration possible. Someone that weighs 450 lbs. is every bit as "real" as someone that's svelte and has movie-star looks. Thus, it's difficult to define what's "real" and what isn't in those terms.

I have problems with the oft-stated claim that certain Poser models don't represent "real" people -- just because they happen to be very attractive. Beautiful people actually do exist in the RW. I see them every day.

It's the old saw about not knowing how to define what makes a model look real -- but knowing what it is when I see it.

BTW -- this is stating the obvious......but lighting is crucial.

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i have a fresh install of XP Home and Flash 7 (her intro plays) but links to images and store items not functional. Too bad, I'd like to see her Nikita texture that is for sale. ::::: Opera :::::

I think Cath is overhauling her site to get ready to relaunch her poser items :)

Yes guys, Cath is really impressive, but... as I said, I'm not looking for textures. I just need the morphs... :D Xenophonz: Let me tell you, I know what I need, I know what I'm talking about. Ok, you like V3, good for you. I'm not asking for a realistic character just because I don't know what I need. At a basic level of "realism" V3 might be great for renders straight out of poser, but after 7 months of work, and higher needs, her realism has come short. That's why i need a better character. Thnks queri for pointing out those two. Bye! Ike.

If you are talking morphs, go to DAZ and get the 3d Celebrities. They require the V3 head and body packs. The sets include textures and injection poses.

Let me tell you, I know what I need, I know what I'm talking about. Ok, you like V3, good for you. I'm not asking for a realistic character just because I don't know what I need. At a basic level of "realism" V3 might be great for renders straight out of poser, but after 7 months of work, and higher needs, her realism has come short. That's why i need a better character.

OK.......

Show me where I indicated that you did not know what you needed, and I'll understand your response.

Another thing: who mentioned V3? I didn't.

As for "a better character" -- good luck finding one out of the box. Someone might have a better model floating around in the higher planes where "higher needs" are met -- but down here with us mortals below: I've yet to find a better.

It's the endless quest: to out-do V3.

Another way to get more realistic faces from V3 (if you have Poser5) is to split the facial morphs into left and right for each. Real people do not have symmetrical faces. It is amazing how much difference just changing the height or size between the eyes alone can make.

pigfish that's a great idea. That's one of the reasons I like EJ -- separate left/right on many things to lend asymetry. How do you split the morphs on V? ::::: Opera :::::

pigfish that's a great idea. That's one of the reasons I like EJ -- separate left/right on many things to lend asymetry. How do you split the morphs on V? ::::: Opera :::::

I'm at work so I'm working from memory (always dicey)...I think you right (it may be left) click on the morph dial and one of the pop-up menu choices is to split the morph. P5 automatically splits into right and left. They appear at the bottom of your morph dial list.

Ok, Xenophonz, I probably got it all wrong, and you didn't mean all that. if that's the case, then my apologies. But the way I read it, there were some suggestions I didn't like. Anyway, it might just be me. I didn't mean to BE on a higher level, i just NEED a character that provides a higher level of realism, and for what's been posted up to now, there are a few suggestions that look interesting. Silent Smile, and left/right morphs seem the way to go. Thanks everyone! Ike.

It's up to you, friend. You know what you need/want.

At the moment, a morphed V3 is about the best that Poser users have available to work with.

On the other hand, if you are into programs like Max, or LW -- now that's a different story........there you can find other models -- at much, much higher prices than for Poser.

BTW - I've wrangled repeatedly with the assertion that attractive people aren't "real". This contention always irritates me. Sure, most of us don't fall into the category of the movie-star-faced in the real world -- but attractive people are still flesh and blood: just like you or me.

BTW II -- as far as the models go -- nothing negative intended here. It's all a matter of personal taste. One cannot argue with personal taste.

XENOPHONEZ,

V3 is not the best that Poser users have.

Also, this is your second invocation in this thread of that statement about your irritation...I let the first one pass....

You are unfairly switching the context and definition of the objectors. The objection I have, and others have stated or hinted at (and let them speak for themselves), is this, in essence: the V3 attempted aesthetic or style is solely concerned with wired human perceptions of attractiveness driven by sex, such as symmetry, firmness of flesh, high cheek bones, wide-apart large eyes, puckered full lips, that 'locked-in' curve at the hip, and large breasts.

There is nothing wrong with tapping into this per se.

However, the V-aesthetic (as I will call it) is exploitive and manipulative of it. There is no letup. There is no deviation. There is no moderation. There is no tolerance for almost. There is an ever increasing concentration of this power, until it's..."Enough already."

So...when the objection arises stemming from this surfeit of stimulus, we are not saying that beautiful people are not real. We are saying that you do not encounter actual human beings walking around in objective reality from whom everything has been stripped except that which qualifies, to a ferocious degree, as perfect and beautiful in its category.

If you were a god and were assembling the ideal female, would you REALLY find the most perfect and beautiful legs, arms, breasts, lips, hair, eyes, etc, and zip them together into a human? This creature would scare the living daylights out of you if she ever actually walked across your path. She would be Over-real and you would sense she was a monster.

In my opinion, the V-aesthetic is not about true human beauty and sexuality, in which we see each other as participating in the Form of Beauty; it is about stimulus-response.

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This creature would scare the living daylights out of you if she ever actually walked across your path.

I've met her. Many times. Photographed her in my studio, even. She hasn't scared me yet.

*You are unfairly switching the context and definition of the objectors. The objection I have, and others have stated or hinted at (and let them speak for themselves), is this, in essence: the V3 attempted aesthetic or style is solely concerned with wired human perceptions of attractiveness driven by sex, such as symmetry, firmness of flesh, high cheek bones, wide-apart large eyes, puckered full lips, that 'locked-in' curve at the hip, and large breasts.

There is nothing wrong with tapping into this per se.

However, the V-aesthetic (as I will call it) is exploitive and manipulative of it. There is no letup. There is no deviation. There is no moderation. There is no tolerance for almost. There is an ever increasing concentration of this power, until it's..."Enough already."*

V3 sells well. So do attractive characters based upon her.

"Ordinary" characters tend to not sell well.

Check out the top-sellers in the MP.

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Take your pick.

If I were a merchant, then I'd go for the mercenary solution.

As for the rest, I repeat myself: one cannot argue with personal taste.

In my opinion, the V-aesthetic is not about true human beauty and sexuality, in which we see each other as participating in the Form of Beauty; it is about stimulus-response.

This is......fine.

Beauty is as I see it. Stimulating or not.

Based upon the sales figures, I strongly suspect that I share the majority point of view. By a wide margin.

V3 is not the best that Poser users have.

This, too, is largely a matter of taste.

You'll never be able to win a debate about taste.

Once again.....the sales figures speak for themselves. People tend to buy the things that are attractive to them. Message edited on: 02/10/2005 17:59

your arguements and comments make my case. ::::: Opera :::::

your arguements and comments make my case. Hmmmmmm. "Call me a cab." Alright.......you're a cab.