Well here i am posting another thread. I have been lurking around for sometime, reading your threads and yes i have had a laugh at some of those that were ment to be funny. Now before i get really going i'm not p'ed off with any of the regulars to the forum or some of the newer members. What i am p'ed off about is the un-grateful &^%@#$(using masked language isn't against the tos) that post images and don't even give one bit of credit to those that made the models they use in their images. Now fair is fair, it takes nothing to say thank you "Insert name" for the model. well if these people that put the time and thought into making these models are good enough to give them out free so others may use them then it is about time some of you miserable &@#$*& gave the credit for them when you use them, if you can't be bothered typing a few words then don't use the models. Thats all i have to say on this matter. Happy rendering all CD PS: i'll be lurking around in the shadows.

Isnt that the truth...

Do people read the blurb on gallery postings? Ive lost count of the times Ive given the modelers name and then got comments like "wonderful models, did you do them yourself?" or "great textures on the buildings/terrain/whatchamacallit. Well done". Sigh.:o) This subject, like most others, has been aired here before and I seem to remember there was a fair number who said they gave credit to freebies but as to bought items, "Well, they got my money, why give credit" Cant say I agree with this as I`ve found many a nice store item through the gallery, and lets face it, they still deserve a mention.

Good manners are in short supply these days, sadly. I always feel that there's something dishonest about not crediting any help you receive in producing any work. It's a way of passing someone else's work off as your own, even if that's not the intention behind it. As for reading the blurb on gallery postings, I'm pretty sure some people don't even look at the pictures before they comment. "Fantastic work, a masterpiece, I love this picture!" Umm...what is it? I can't quite see for all the pixelation.

I tend to steer clear of other people's stuff, unless I'm using Poser, in which case it's nearly impossible not to. I try to give credit where I can, in fact, I even got approached to use one of my pics commercially. I didn't do it because I couldn't get permission from each model and character creator. I make most of my stuff, so sometimes I forget to credit myself..I should talk to myself about that..;)

Watch your shadows closely people, crazydawg has....er, ah....gone crazy! I agree with what he says though, give credit for using others works! I also agree with Sambucus. I've noticed the same thing many times before. I think too many people speedview an image, leave a lame comment that reveils their shallow interest, and then speed on to the next image, only to leave an equally dumb comment there too.

yeah, it's annoying. what really annoys me is seeing 1000 downloads for your model and it not being used a single time. leave aside the fact that you worked your ass off for it, them using it and then not crediting you is just wrong. i'd really just contact the person and tell him to take down the pic or give me credit. drac

Personally I try not to comment if I think the poster did not model the models in his image. I do all my own models now. Back when I still was using poser I did use other peoples stuff tried to give credit if I knew who did it. (sometimes yo had somethign for months and found it on your hard drive and said that will work. But for the past two years only my own models. I do download models from time to time just to look at the topology of the model to pick it apart and see how it was made. I won't use it but it is for learning puposes. So Drac i am guilty I downloaded some of your models and looked at them.

lol, they're there to be downloaded, looked at and used dann, i don't mind. it's just that the proportion of downloaded to used models is quite large. drac

Sorry Drac, I am one of those who see a model and download it with the thought that I may use it in the future, but, that may be months or years later. Where possible I do give credits. Cheers 8) GG.

Yeah, I agree. When I see one of my trees used without credit,......I just send an IM to the individual saying "Nice Tree". Still, it was gratifying when Woodhurst used one of my trees and gave credit(even if he did misspell my name).

I have put a few freebies out there and do not expect credit from the people who use my models. I put them out with the intention of GIVING something FREELY, not as a vehicle for self advertisement. Any freebie I give out is fair game for commercial, or non-commercial use. I do know the amount of work that goes into making freebies, but when you give them away, you should give them wholly, and freely. LET THEM GO and move on to your next project. Enjoy the wonderful act of giving and let everyday be Christmas. If you give something away, but expect the credit, or limit the use, then you ARE NOT REALLY GIVING IT AWAY. Be joyful that somebody finds your items useful enough to occupy hd space and move on.

I admit, I don't use Bryce much, but am mostly a Fractal artist. I do try to give credit when I (infrequently) use a free model, but sometimes I lose track of where they came from. How do you all solve this problem. I have noticed that the models are seldom titled with the modeler's name as part of the title. I try to remember to add that before saving the file, but I sometimes forget. Any suggestions of how to organize? How about how to find out who made something I downloaded 6 months ago, lol!

I've seen my stuff used maybe once..and was so surprised I didn't mind that it wasn't credited..did rib 'em about the prop, tho..;)

Saw a image of mine used to advertise a web site with no credit, i sent an email saying i didnt mind but at least give credit where it is due, 48 hours he removed the image and sent me a nasty email about it too. I replied that he could use it just give me credit for it. never heard back from him.

I'm rewriting my licence for freebies, to require attribution for commercial use but not for non-commercial use. Unless you state it in your licence, then there isn't much you can do, although it is polite.

GROINGRINDER - agreed. :)

I use models from other people almost exclusively since I can't model worth a darn. Most of the textures I use a at least based on other people's. I try to credit the free items I use but sometimes forget or am unable to locate a read me. I usually won't credit the items I paid for, but have on occasion. I download free stuff I have never used. I've downloaded free stuff I will never use. I've received comments on my models after giving credit for them. I've received comments on the stuff I made myself. I think it's arrogant to expect credit every time some one uses something that was freely given away. I think its gracious to give credit when you borrow talent from someone else. I think its inane to assume that everything in the picture was made by the artist. I make art, not models. I can see how a free stuff provider can become annoyed at the regular use of his efforts without being acknowledged. But no matter how hard I try, I can't find any free stuff from CrazyDawg.

Mahray - just a question - for attribution for when the model or whatever is used for a commercial use... how would one go about attributing a freebie when its in a commercial image??

Not trying to be a pain in the arse, but this was something I was thinking about a couple of weeks ago when I was making sure that I could use a certain freebie in a commercial image. Something I wondered about was that attribution thing, especially for a comercial image (for a personal gallery image, its not an issue, as here you can write what you want in the upload notes).

Would you request that the client that you're making the image for list the freebie (attribution) on their "use" of the image? (so halfway through the advertisement/book/whatever they've used the image in, they have a list of freebie creators?)

Any ideas (cos I have none yet)? Drac - hmm... one of those 1000 downloads would be from me... and one day I'll finish that image..... one day..... hopefully in March....

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I always try to give attribution where known. Some of the things from 3dcafe and misc sites that no longer exist can be difficult though. I have one item in an image I'm working on ATM from a thread at CGTalk where I have lost the original model zip file. I was able to retrieve the actual model from an archived copy of the scene but can't find any way to trace it yet.

I dont expect credit if someone where to use any of my models though It would be nice. 99% I probably wouldnt have noticed. If at anytime someone wants to use one let me know which one and Id be happy to send a copy (though at this point all my models have been lost due to a prior system meltdown, and all I have left of them is whats in my gallery). Personaly I would see it as someone elses view of a subject or aspect I had yet to consider.

I look at it a different way in soem ways. If the model is the focal point of the picture then credit should be given. Lets say you download the polish fighter and make a scene with it. Since the fighter it the main point of the picture credit should be given. But lets say the mechanic working on the plane in the scene has a hat you downloaded. the hat is not the focal point of the picture but an additional thing so I feel it is not as necssesary. I would put items on freestuff but I lack webhosting.

I try my best to give credit. If the maker would put a readme file in and write they name that would be super. I got dialup and I have to go somewheres to get hightspeed to down load. when I do I download about 600m of free stuff. all are in zip files and when I unzip them the model is there but no readme file. I do not unzip many of them just the ones I like to work on first. It may be six months before I unzip a file. by that time if I took notes they lost [ the next day they lost lol] so please put a read me file in the zip fip so I can give credit. thank you

The copyright artist of any piece of work, has the right to be given the recognition of his or her work whether or not you agree with it or whether or not its in the public domain. Period!

Mizrael, anything on your mind you want to talk over intelligently?