I figured there would be posts from someone else about this and I could read about it there. It looks interesting but costs quite a bit so I wanted to know more about it. (I think I got the name right. If not, it's something like that and new to the store.

The website for the company that makes that product is in the Daz sales blurb. They have a lot of detailed information on their website about the product and what version does what. - Noel

It appears to be a modeling program that looks like it was originly designed for 3d type games and has been set up to load, create, and/or modify and save poser file types. I only got that much because i opened the pdf instruction book.

Essentially it is for model creators that use 3d packages so they can "port" their figures to Poser and write all the needed poser files like CR2 etc. keeping bones, groupings and morph info. Think of it as a developer tool for Poser content creators that use 3d applications. Helps simplify so that once modling is done creator does not have to hand code all the required Poser files. Yes it is rather expensive, but it's also a all in one package. There are tools out there in the community that do similar functions, but require purchasing from different programers so it can be helpful to have one set of tools that do all the functions written by one creator in one application. Greenbriar Studio set of LIghtwave plugin tools allow for Poser to Lightwave, think of Toolbox Pro as the set of tools for 3d to Poser but not exclusive to only lightwave or a specific 3d application. That help? I know I had to read the ad copy a bunch of times to really understand it all, and the Pro/Poser different tools made it harder to understand exactly what it was and it's purpose.

Machineclaw: Did you read if it exports LW bones and translates them into poser bones?

That I couldn't figure out. However there is mention of endomorph and weight translated to morphs for poser, so I would "think" that the point of the tools is bones rigged translated to poser bones structure for ease of translation to poser. That's what I got out of the tool package anyway. Since there really aren't specific LIghtwave to poser nad visa versa I look at Greenbriar Studio tools closely as I'm interested in an easy solution for lightwave/poser. from ad copy: "You can create Poser models from scratch, or import obj files created in Lightwave, Cinema 4D or Maya and finish them into Poser rigged models in ToolBox" so I think the tools are to get away from Poser's setup room and to simplify haveing a OBJ put into Poser. Toolbox is pricey so while I'm interested I'm not gunna be a gunea pig and buy another tool that gets put in the dust bin like I did with Clothing Converter (which was a bad purchase for me). The plus of the toolbox and why I'm most interested is that I HATE coding and dealing with file formats. If the toolbox truley lets you concentrate on modeling and then simplifies the grunt work of translating and setup to poser it could be a really valable tool. Dunno I will wait it out.

Afer reading the manual (available to product page) I am more confused. it's a baby 3d program, game leveler (pro version), and poser content creator (bones in por version). An example of what I think this would be good for: Crete a model in Shade which has no real good bone animation tools. Export as OBJ and use the tookbox to bone rig and setup all the morphs then send it rigged to Poser. Open Poser and have rigged posable Poser model no use or limited use of setup room in Poser. So a solution where there really isn't one currently without hand coding and a lot of setup room work. Similarly for other 3d applications. $185 (non sale price) is really pretty pricey I just dunno.

Yeah, Clothing Convertor was a bad purchase for me as well. Ok, so it sound like it's a super setup room then, from what info everyone else has gleaned. You'd think they would have described something like that.

I wonder who writes the product descriptions? One would think the first thing in the blurb would be to tell people simply, clearly and exactly what it does e.g. This plug-in will move models between x and y programs and do the following. After reading it earlier today I am still confused as to what it does, why it might be useful and what are the advantages of purchasing it. Even if the creators cannot do it, Daz at least should. They gain profit from the sales.

Well it's a broker product not a Daz product. Brokers write their own ad copy. Greebriar is a single programer not a company, one guy with some support. Kinda similar to MarkDC the clothing creator creator. Some people are good at creating but bad at writing, seems this may be one of those instances, even after reading the manual for Toolbok III it's still a bit odd and confusing.

The whole idea behind the product is to export poser characters in a format that can be handled by a game engine. But the program may become your worst nightmare.... I've been using a number of tools by Greenbriar when I still was in game design and all them were one nightmare after another. None of them did what they promised to do and support is terrible. My experience with Greenbriar Studio is a terrible one and I can only warn you, this may be a waste of money as all of the products I've tried were. I know that doesn't sound to good and pretty harsh too, but I've been a beta tester for some of David's products that are related to gameSpace and 3D GameStudio A6. If this one is as bad as those tools I've tested for him, I wouldn't even want to try it..... But, since you can get it from DAZ you have the 30 dat money back guarentee.

"The whole idea behind the product is to export poser characters in a format that can be handled by a game engine." uh, not from the product description and manual. It's the other way. Game engine reading and rigged models ported TO Poser rigged. From everything I've read about this product the Pro version has the ability to read game engine WAD files and port the models, structures etc to Poser supported file formats. Nothing I've read so far says that ToolBox reads poser files, only that it writes to poser 4 and poser 5 file formats. Still not good to hear about a bad experience. I've read a lot about Greenbriar cr2loader lightwave poser plugin and it's been about 75% good and 25% mixed to bad. I still haven't coughed up the money for it yet just can't part with my money on something that doesn't have rave reviews and outstanding support. Guess this toolbox thingy falls into the same thing. I sure hope some reviews of this come out.

I noticed this product yesterday. Strange.

The ad copy seems to be written in a manner similar to the "Japanese English" that one occasionally finds in technical manuals or in bicycle assembly instructions.

As amusing as that can be: I am not going to risk $185.00 in order to attempt to figure out just exactly what this program is supposed to do.

Post by Greenbriar at Daz forum for more info from teh creator.

Line 1 of the copy: "ToolBox reads Poser file formats, including Poser 5 compressed files" In his defense, he's an independent working to fill a gap between software companies. I know nothing of his total support staff other than himself but I appreciate the desire to provide what's wanted and needed. As someone who has bought CR2 rigger and Conformer from him, they have greatly eased the pain of moving Poser files into Lightwave. That said it has not erased the pain. Tweaking some of the weight maps and rig once in LW has kept me from animating solely in LW. I, also want to be clear that I have to account for my own level of competency doing those jobs. So, I have both the 75% AND the 25% satisfaction rating. The main opportunity this product provides is to facilitate the making of products for poser, so you can bring in a figure create new morphs and/or create new clothes, and send them back to poser easily without having to buy LW for $1500. As a seperate game plan it can also be used to create assets for games, that's my understanding. I think it's too soon for a lynchin' but better proof-reading is in order.