Well you should let it pass and you may get some rest for yourself.

A message I sent to Deecey and hopefull he/she understand the formula Chemical reaction > Light = Heat(Tempature)

Not that I don't understand the formula, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Poser or with any other 3D renderer for that matter. I'm out of this one now.

I take that you dont understand that the color lights actually are tempature light.

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Shadow in Poser r godd*mn sucks!!

Your application of temperature to an environment that lacks it is predicated on what? oh! Mind numbing idiocy. I see now! Nevermind :D

"Color Temperature is a simplified way to characterize the spectral properties of a light source. While in reality the color of light is determined by how much each point on the spectral curve contributes to its output, the result can still be summarized on a linear scale."

See also Light and Vision

nruddock, Thank you for posting!! I hope that CL recognize that shadow and color shading renderer really need to get fixed.

"Color Temperature is a simplified way to characterize the spectral properties of a light source.

My point all along has been that GWeb continually complains about the RENDERER. This statement clearly makes the point that color temperature relates to the LIGHT SOURCES. Not THE RENDERER. Case closed. Over and out.

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SHADOW ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COLORED!! Well then why are you complaining that Poser has a "coal paint render?" Coal doesn't have any color either. You are contradicting yourself so much it's not funny. You won't find me answering or responding to your posts any more, GWeb. As far as I am concerned you are trolling and it has gone beyond absurd. My only regret is that I didn't start ignoring you sooner.

Geez The way Renderer r programmed in shadow part is coloring the image, it did not interact with color tempature and light sources. I never said that coal is color. I said that the way renderer paints the image is like 'Coal Paint Render'. Please quit playing mind game, you are not gonna win because I do know the different between void light and color absorption, and black (voilet scale). Please accept the fact that I made the point!

Oh, damn, this is too funny.

GWeb, I can't quite figure out what you're trying to say. I've some knowledge of colour temperature, from the PoV of a photographer, and some idea of why what an instrument records can be very different from what the human visual system sees. I know about the difference between additive and subtractive colour mixing. But, looking at what you've written, and at the absence of any of your wonderful pictures, all I can say is that, for all I know, you're a nobody. I've posted Poser renders, I've posted photographs, people can see what I've done. But you?

I have cautious optimism about Poser 6, based on what people have said. But I don't plan to rush, and not entirely because of the reputation of the first release of Poser 5. It's going to need me to spend some scarce cash on my computer before I can run it. And, so far, people haven't said anything about the resources the needed. I'm waiting for some solid claims about the memory P6 needs to run well in the real world, not the (usually) optimistic claims of manufacturers. The stuff it promises to do looks very tempting. The reports are good, But, for me, net yet...

I have posted free stuff and images in past more than 2 years ago. I dont do that anymore. I am not daily poster here. I only keep an eye on Poser6 threads in pre and after release period. Also to read on some other threads that works with Poser figs.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/colored_shadows.html While a simplification this link explains that shadows are not black and white, and why. If the argument is that colored shadows are ugly all I can say is that is an interpritation, not a proof, quite different. I thought VanGogh was ugly for the longest time, now I can appricate it. Software interpritations of real world lighting and rendering are getting better and better all the time. Maya's render engine is quite powerful, yet the MentalRay render engine is a more powerful renderer for Maya. Also the comment that Poser 6 is doing it wrong might just be the artist not the application, remember that all the promo pictures posted so far for Poser 6 are from Beta testers. If the software a chance to be shipped, try it and make your statement after you have used it, maybe others have a way to acheive what you are looking for in your renders. That is what this forum is all about. Just another tid bit, CL did not create the Poser 6 renderer. It is a licenced render engine, so the fault might not be CL or Poser.

hehe

I'm wondering if Gweb's problems with Poser aren't actually with Poser, but for there not being that "Make Decent Art" button that some people seem to assume Poser has... Considering the incredible stuff I've seen made in here... Is it the render engine? I doubt it. ^_^

Perhaps it is not the render engine but the engineer that is driving it? (or not driving it) JMVHO ... BICBW ;=]

Precisely. If I have a severe problem with something, I work my wee ass off to figure out if it's a problem with the software, the content, or my fault. Nine times out of ten, I can fix it by learning. But, hey - some people have to have SOMETHING to whinge about...

Try reading the name. Frankly, there are fixes for the glowing nostril thing. There are fixes for a LOT of the problems you seem to have with Poser. Have you ever bothered to try them? They might help you.

Yes I am aware of workarounds. Basically what I posted before is that the shadow in Poser6 is not very good. Shadow r supposed to work with photons and decrease color tempature in the area for accurate colors. (sigh)

Yes, but you seem to be the only one who harps on it for... checks ...25 posts in a 77-post thread. Most people seem to realize that it's both a very low-end program and that they can fix it in postwork. Why are you bothering with P6, anyways? If you have money to burn and can't find anything else to buy with it, I can always give you a list of charities who need help. ^_^

1. Poser is ease to use and more productive thats why I like it. 2) My PC won't work without Poser installed Nah I dont like postwork too much work to do that in animation.

It's easy to use? But all you've done is complain about the light. It won't work without Poser installed? Or would you just keep clicking the shortcut with a desperate whine? (I've done that.) I've done animations with postwork. Yeah, it ain't FUN, but...

Give me a break

Then why don't you give US one? Stop whining. Seriously. If you have this much of a problem, find a solution, or find another program. No one here is here to listen to you bitch and moan about how awful Poser's light is.

No you are very discouragous, you need to stop degrading Poser into flintstone. We need to encourage CL, beta testers to improve Poser's renderer engine. I can not deny that Poser is indeed a good investment for hobby and business. I very much want to see renderer get improved. Quit throwing rocks at me when I try to do something!!

Stop doing it in ways that make whatever you're doing so irritating to people who would otherwise try to help.

Help? heh some people r not being helpful if they are being knuckle head about the lights.

You really don't get it, do you? You're alienating people who would ordinarily rally behind you if you had made your point in an intelligent, non-confrontational and NON-WHINING manner. As it is, you've come off as a spoiled brat who got the toy he demanded all winter, but didn't get this ONE ACCESSORY and now he's going to hold his breath 'til he turns BLUE. Hell, I would have backed you if you hadn't acted like a twit.

Mods,

This sort of harrassment looks like the work of a classic troll to me: smelly and offensive. All GWeb is doing is bitching for the sake of bitching, and he doesn't appear to have a sound leg to stand upon. I enjoy a good argument upon its merits, but there is no merit here. I'd suggest that if he is that totally obsessed with color temperature in shadows, that he go back to industrial CAD systems where such things are important and his views might even be marginally relevant. Yes, in producing steel, the color temperature is vital; but, no, in producing art it is totally absolutely positively unimportant. If I'm painting purple shadows in the snow that is because I'm seeing purple, not because I'm on my knees with a thermometer! It is not even a miniscule point.

It isn't fun. It isn't productive. It isn't helpful.

He can hop and down like Rumpelstiltskin and post every 10 minutes, and his fixation upon shadow temperature still will have nothing to do with any of the renderers or any of the possibilities inherent in this program.

If a THIRD of the posts in this thread are GWeb throwing rocks for the sake of exercising his typing fingers rather than his mind, I think it is time to lock this pup up. Me? I've got better things to do than feed trolls.

Carolly

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Seconded.

You guys are ordinary people who do not wish to push Poser but rather to put it in flintstone. OMFG Why should I spend all of my energy educating people all about the lights. PS Please review posts to see how many people have abused my effort to demostrate the renderer problem.

Rowan Crisp, "Hell, I would have backed you if you hadn't acted like a twit." If you care about Poser more than my whining then you should continue to back me up for your own interest.

Frankly, I don't care. How's them apples? You're a whiny troll. I'm not so lazy as to whine about something that I've fixed myself. You haven't educated, you've whinged. You have one cause, the horse is dead, stop hitting it, ask for a refund.

I would if there is better software than Poser.

There is. You're just too lazy to transfer.

GWEB, I looked for your artist page, free stuff and renders on 'rosity and did not find any. Could you post some links?

http://www.renderosity.com/members.ez?Who=GWeb comes up blank. Sorry?!

OK, this thread is going nowhere fast, so I'm going to end it now.