Hello everyone, I hope this thread generates some interest! The idea behind it seems interesting I think, and involves an area thats gotten some attention. Many of you im sure have seen the DAZ3D Hat Hair Props, Western Hat with Hair, Beret with Hair, and other similar items. Im curious if a fantasy variation of this could be created: Helmet hair. What im imagining would have these features: My first thought was that it be for females, but I dont know if it would be better as a conforming figure or a prop, and if either of these considerations would make it more easily adaptable to a variety of male and female poser characters. Im thinking that it should be a slicked back style, very close to the head, so that it doesnt poke thru the majority of helms available. Perhaps it should actually be a texture map that just paints hair on the head to show around the ears on those helms without ear coverings? regardless of what the top is, I would hope for real hair to be available to flow out from the back and have morph to adjust the overall length that escapes from the bottom of the helm, and maybe the option to turn on some whisps escaping from either the side by the ears or maybe even a few bang strands to have become dishevled and have escaped out the front? Is this practical as a product request? having an any-helm compatible is impossible im sure, but having a most-helms compatible may be doable? maybe a series of morphs to adjust the level at which the hair becomes free of the helm bottom to begin flowing? What does anyone reading think? I would be interested in hearing from anyone that reads this and also desires such a product, to guage the level of demand, and I would be most interested to hear from Modellers as to thier views on the practicality of this idea, and if it is of interest to anyone with time :) Thanks for reading, Logan

Helmet hair. Isn't that what they used to call the P3 and P4 "old style" hair? LOLOL On a more serious note, that IS a cool idea!

I thought about doing this with my David Dollar Hair but wasn't really the right flow to it. May do an update now :)

Oh that is VERY nice! EDIT: Why do I see a kid rock morph being developed for that? LOL

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OOOOO that would be great to see a version of that Hair for helms

Attached Link: http://www.kfoxforest.com/poser.html

wait..uh..there's actually a site that specializes in hairstyles of the 50's and 60's..check in Freebies..can't remember the name (I got 1,900+ sites to keep track of..ya wanna make somethin' of it?..;) but there's a picture of Uhura from Star Trek cradeling an injured redshirt next to a shuttle..I think there's several variations of 'helmet hair' there, maybe a little fancier, and for Posette, if I remember correctly ..wait, this might be it..

I did both of those hats-with-hairs for DAZ, and it was a little tough fitting them.

You have to fit the hat sort of fairly tight to the head, else it looks funny, and after that you don't have all that much room for the hair - go a little big and iy pokes through the hat, go a little too small and it disapears inside the head.

There is a morph on the bobbed hair in my old Hollywood Hair set the fits it under a included hat (a beret actually, but a different one). It doesn't actually work as well as the hats with hair thogh, as they scale everthing up and down.

So what am I saying her? ;-) Yes, it could be done. Best way would (probably) be design the hair to work with a particular helmet, though. Maybe if I ever get aroung to finishing SMV's Roman Armor (If it still exists, I haven't found it after a disk crash I had) I could try putting some hair under her helm. And maybe make a V3 version, too.
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Hello pakled, Thanks for the link, thats a neat P4 char site, but I didnt see any hair there im afraid. Hello Jim, Im glad to hear the idea is plausible, and I see where such a hair would only be perfect with the helm it was modelled around. I guess for a marketplace item the way to go would be to have a set with a basic helm, including some morphs to give it some variety in looks, and include a hair figure/prop that works perfectly with the included helm, and can be used with other helms due to morphs or transmaps and at least minimize the postwork necessary to look right?

"Helmet Hair" is what we used to call those curled, teased, moussed, hairsprayed 'dos that were popular in the 80s (and are still popular in some areas of rural America ;-). It was called that because it had so much mousse and hairspray in it that wind couldn't budge it, nor could rain defeat it, and we reckoned that you could probably deflect small projectiles with it. ;-) Off topic, but it's something to think about, heheh. bonni

I think that "Helmet Hair" would be an excellent idea. I had to abandon a project because of hair poke though when I applied a helmet to Vickie's hair, and I couldn't work out how to stop her hair coming through the helmet.

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ktaylor's site is the one of which pakled was thinking, I think... :) However it seems to be unavailable at the moment. There's a great range of '60s style hairdos there, and Star Trek stuff; well worth a visit, but it's "hair like a helmet", not "hair to go with a helmet" which is what logansfury was asking for. Sorry 'bout that. Making conventional hair fit under anything is a tricky business, but specially created hair could be done. It would work best if made as part of the helmet, because either the hair has to get very close to the head at the point where it disappears under the hat / helmet, or the hat / helmet has to be unrealistically large so it sits on top of the hair.

But, but, but... helmets were larger than the heads! They had to be. If you get whacked on the helmet, and it is touching your skull anywhere, you have zero protection. ZERO. You also have mush for brains. Knights wore a helmet hair cut and a padded or quilted coif of various materials. We're just too used to seeing pinheads. :grrrrr: If even a normal head size looks big after the brainwashing, than a real helmet would appear huge. Carolly

I'd say try using the grouping tool to select the sticking out parts and make them transparent. Either that or use magnets to move the offending parts out of the way. I think some of Koz's pieces have a few different parts that can be manipulated which might help. If you took helmet+hair into a modeling program it seems like you should be able to slice, dice, chop and grind away 'til you had a combined prop that would work.