Check this link out, Maya, and 3dsmax models goin' for $320-$900 for a female char with LESS poys than V3!? and a T-rex with less than a Mill dragon!? Forget it! go to Daz, and Import, it'd be a Haaell of alot cheaper! hxxp://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227735 Geometry: Polygonal Polygons: 15,493 Vertices: 15,545 Textures: Yes Materials: Yes Jointed: No Animated: No $475 for this!?

You've only just discovered Turbosquid, I take it? bonni

Some artists working on large commercial projects have a budget to spend and will pay those prices for models.

FYI only,
Clint

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Turbosquid has been around for some time. So how do they survive? Seems somebody keeps them in business or they sure wouldn't be so damn rediculous and arrogant with their prices!! Turbosquid-an octopus type creature with turbo power that has many arms to wrap around those with too much money and suckers to leech out that extra money!! How sick is that?? Caviar tastes damn awful too, but people still pay the price for it, just to look cool and smell like dead fish after.

It's under the heading of what the market will bear. If vendors didn't place their products on TurboSquid, and people didn't buy from TurboSquid, TurboSquid wouldn't exist. And having seen our city buy overpriced items from consultants that could be bought locally at better prices, I've seen the sucker theory in action. Still, it's a choice we have power over.

Check this link out, Maya, and 3dsmax models goin' for $320-$900 for a female char with LESS poys than V3!? and a T-rex with less than a Mill dragon!? Forget it! go to Daz, and Import, it'd be a Haaell of alot cheaper!

Yikes! But when you think about it amounts to almost the same money if you were to buy DAZ's figures, the morphs, the cloths etc. Just do a total of the tally sometime after you've bought some DAZ stuff. But then, you get more for your buck. Either way, these companies charge what they feel like it because they know people will buy it no matter what the cost. Message edited on: 04/17/2005 10:59

the turbosquid models don't have mmorphs, clothing or even joints for animating. the Daz / RPM figures do.

I prefer morphs with my models. I like to be able to make the figures look slightly different with each render.

Morphs or not, that to me, is price gouging. Still, DAZ makes you pay for everything else you need to go with the figure. I was just trying to pointout that, in the end, you are probably spending the same amount of money on these models either way. The SAE V3 bundle cost what? Almost a hundred dollars? Even though they give away the base figure, if you want the funsstuff you still got to pay for it, like the morphs. Then you got to buy the addons etc. There is nothing cheap/inexpensive when it comes to 3D. :)

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Turbosquid has the reputations of being a site that sell stuff made by professionals, so a newbie that starts to learn a program and search for a model get this advice: "Hey, TurboSquid ROCKS! They have dinosaurs and pirates and ninjas modelled in 3DSMAX! And MAYA! And LIGHTWAVE! They are expensives, 'cos, ya know, they are made by PRO'S! With EXPENSIVE PRO'S TOOLS! So they are COOL, and now you can be COOL TOO! For a meager hundred bucks!!!! What do you say? DAZ Millennium figures? Yuck, they are made for a program called Poser... Yeah, the one you click some buttons and it makes nude females with swords and fairies and stuff... It's a noobz thing." :D

Are they still selling the basketball model for $229?

It ought to be pointed out that Tsquid set the prices, not the modelers. I could see somebody paying those prices for exclusive use of an item, but not for a copy of what is effectively an unlimited edition. I put a chair model up for sale there ages ago, and they put the price at $75, if I recall rightly. I gave up on ever selling it when I saw how much it was, and haven't been back since :) Mick.

I've been to TURBO SQUID...It was a very good laugh,LOL.

"I prefer morphs with my models. I like to be able to make the figures look slightly different with each render" Another HAAIILLL YEAH! I completely rely on Morphs for My charactors(Seeing that I use 80-90% for My V3 char alone!)Which brings Me to My next question...How do You include the actual char-morphs for conforming clothing?

"Hey, TurboSquid ROCKS! They have dinosaurs and pirates and ninjas modelled in 3DSMAX! And MAYA! And LIGHTWAVE! They are expensives, 'cos, ya know, they are made by PRO'S! With EXPENSIVE PRO'S TOOLS! So they are COOL, and now you can be COOL TOO! For a meager hundred bucks!!!! What do you say? DAZ Millennium figures? Yuck, they are made for a program called Poser... Yeah, the one you click some buttons and it makes nude females with swords and fairies and stuff... It's a noobz thing." I don't do fairies or nudes. While Poser might be Noob thing to you all, I rely on it and have fun with it. I'm not out to spend a fortune for models. I'll keep my little old disjointed Victoria over a 300 hundred dollar figure anyday of the week that you can't morph. :P :P

Attached Link: http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?FuseAction=ProcessSearch&intStartRow=1&istSearchKey=pose

Blaufeld - what do you think your Poser content is made in? oh - and hate to bring it to you, people, but the expensive apps have morph capabilities too ;-) And in case y'all hadn't noticed, Turbosquid sells Poser content too - just not very much of it. IIRC PhilC and Lluque - They even have a Poser horse for 35 USD - cheaper than the mill.horse, that. I'm not defending TurboSquid's price politics - I'm just a little tired of the whinefest about more expensive apps. Not everyone thinks Poser is sufficient for all their needs, just like I don't think everyone wants to use Max, which suits my needs. oh - and the actual character morphs for conforming clothing are either created by hand in one of those expensive, elitist bloated applications and then imported into the poser mesh after being squished, or you use the tailor or Morphsomethingy by codetwister. ~S

If you happen to be an artist and need tools to help you create 3D art, why would you pay for items at turbosquid when you can purchase an entire app like poser with everything and more already there??

If your into making stuff in Max, then you would take the time and effort to make it yourself in Max and again not pay these crazy amounts, like for a basketball???

Max and Maya and Lightwave are expensive, and rightly so, because you really should be serious if your going to get involved in learning these apps and then your possibly working for places like daz.
But to buy stuff at such high prices when you really don't need to, well, having too much money to spend certainly does not guarantee smarts!
It's like seeing a skirt at some place cost a hundred dollars and then seeing the same skirt at wal-mart for one quarter the price, am I going back to pay a hundred?

I just cannot understand how this place does it?
I guess it's just like folks selling psp tubes of cloned twinky artwork all over the net, no one knows better and buys the stuff on impulse because it happens to sparkle at the moment and money is burning a hole in someones pocket!

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Birddie - perhaps you've not take a look at my gallery, 'cos I made almost exclusively Poser images... :) Spinner - I was having a joke at the expenses of anyone that thinks any apps that has not the price in the hundreds of dollars it's not a serious application.

oooh - Irony ! My bad - not very used to seeing it used here these days :-) Lorna - No offense but TurboSquid has a different, and more affluent user-base than Poserdom. But, I see your point - The level of IQ and smarts often on display in Poserdom is hard to match elsewhere, so I am sure the TurboSquid audience are on a completely different level. Oh - and I am not an artist, I am a dilettante, so maybe I just don't have the artistic temper necessarry to understand this brouhaha apart from the pricing. ~S

a more "affluent" user base...translation... WE'RE RICH AND YOUR PEASANTS - NAH NAH NANAH NAAAHHHH! Lmao :)

Sorry guys, but if you are under a deadline, then purchasing common props, even that baseball with the modeled stitching, may be a wise use of money. That way, the in-house artists can spend their valuable time making the unique characters or sets that establish the game's atmosphere. It is all a matter of resources.

As far as bringing this subject up it has not been lost to Me that the fact that the subject/concern of a $300 purchase of single models would certainly become moot in the eyes of one in the "Biz"

However...I'm not in the "Biz" Mine own peers are hobby enthusiasts involved in the leasurly pursuit of our common immersion in the art of 3D realms,and thier breathren.....
Photoshop! LOL :^D

IF however, while in that pursuit we're fortunate enough to ascend into the lofty hieghts of launguishing in the "Vocation of our dreams" {Multible unrealistic deadlines, and varied recognition for our best laid efforts that are more often for naught :^)} Than it will, as well for us that it will become MOOT.

To summarize..."If th' shoe don't fit, don't wear it!"
Wink LOL!

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"oh - and the actual character morphs for conforming clothing are either created by hand in one of those expensive, elitist bloated applications and then imported into the poser mesh after being squished, or you use the tailor or Morphsomethingy by codetwister."

~S"

HEH,Heh..I'm just waiting for My purchase of a pen & tablet to use in conjuntion with My Zbrush App.. I've been a traditional artist, and the ultimate in "3D modeling" would have to be sculpting using clay.

Actually, I would rather be furnishing/creating Mine own clothing..Soon of course, but for now I'm still stuck with converting conforming clothes into Obj files, then restucturing them in Zbrush....Hey! Not a bad idea..Thanx takezo3001!

takezo3001: "You're welcome, takezo3001!" LOL! BTW Spinner, thanks for the info! I will be graduating soon with My 3DSMax as well, I just needed the computer upgrade. I also have Bryce, and Zbrush! However, being a musician, artist, and novice(VERY novice} Game designer, SLEEP becomes Your WORSTE enemy! (Imagine!16 hrs to create,8 for Your crummy Job!)

Message edited on: 04/19/2005 06:55

Why does Turbosquid stay in business? Here's why. Just like a movie studio has a prop house, with furniture, trees, walls, doors, props, so the set building department doesn't have to build everything from scratch, most professional CG folks have model libraries that are just like prop houses. This way they don't have to model everything in the scene, simply as a matter of saving time and effort. And if your project budget is a million plus, a few hundred bucks for a mesh isn't all that much if it saves you a day's work. And even the resources they do model themselves, they save and reuse in other projects. The CG professional's motto... If there's a way to cheat it to do it faster, cheaper, or with less resources, that's the way you do it.

Yeah - but you'll make better kudos with the boss if you just spend $12.95 on something at renderosity or commune or DNA - that through TURBOSCAM would cost you $436.95! And if the boss at the design firm, or whatever, finds out that you COULD'VE gotten it cheaper - then you'll either get the grim tretment - or lose clout...LOL

Provided you're in the market for half naked outfits, breast enhancers, sci-fi stuff or medieval buildings, that is. Yup - I can see that using the rendo merchandise would be a real good move. I work in 3D at the mo - I work with 3D mapping software for military systems. I can really, really see where using rendo-merchandise would be useful in generating terrains and landscape overviews - a little temple here, a big throne there... a gothic dungeon or three.... and instead of trees, we could use vickies and tit-magnets - all with a polycount over ten times what I'd need for a real time tracking app, and not a detailed click and render. Using any of it would slow the app to a crawl. And then I haven't even gone near the copyright infringement or texture issues. Pray, continue Mugsey, I do find your persepective and perception of scope so very, very... unique. ~S

Takezo - look forward to your pen and tablet, it will save you SOOOOOO much pain and sore wrists :-) And zbrush is on my wishlist too - it rocks ! ~S

OOOooohhhh - did I just get slapped with the proverbial GAUNTLET (hey - a mideival thing - who knew?)? Guess what SPINNER - why don't you just download WINGS 3D, or AMAPI4.5, Or BLENDER, or a host of other FREE MODELLERS -and make your own stuff for free? WOW - never heard somebody defending having to pay through the nose before - if you like throwing away money so much - I've had my eye on a sweet little vacation house down in St. Augustine Florida, Costs about $350,000 - but - that's obviously peanuts to you,huh? - throw some of that disposeable income over here buddy - put it to some good use, be charitable and Jesus will love you more!!! LOL :)

Attached Link: http://spinner.northern-studios.com/freebies.htm

*ahem:

and
http://www.northern-studios.com/freebies/freebies.htm

Of course, I use an elitist crap app like 3DS Max, but so far it hasn't stopped people coming with two types of IM-responses in addition to sending bandwidth I myself pay for through the roof:

"Kewl! Can I use the mesh to earn money ?"
"Your freebies are ruining it for my commercial item!"

oh.
And I started out on Wings3D.

And I am not defending paying through the nose, I'm stating a lot of Poserverse meshes can't be used in realtime apps.

~S

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Forgot: Edit for grammar. ~S

Hey.....I actually bought something from Turbosquid a while back. Paid for it, too.

And they've got a couple of other items that I am interested in -- like the ICU room model that sells for $160.00. I'll probably end up talking myself into buying it. Eventually.

Even though that same model set would probably cost $24.95 over here at Rendo. But it's only being sold at Turbosquid -- so that's where you go.

Well.....that's why I've spent literally 1000's of dollars at Renderosity. And far, far less than that at Turbosquid.

It has something to do with a price/value/utility ratio.

Your local Wal-Mart generates a lot more income than a Rolls Royce dealership does. Funny how that works.

BTW - I don't do this for a living. But consider: one night out for two at the local Ruth's Chris Steakhouse could easily cost $160.00. So......60 minutes or so of fun eating an expensive meal vs. many hours of playing with a (relatively speaking) pricey model...... There's a price/fun ratio to think about, too. But Rendo will still get the bulk of my 3D dollar.

If Renderosity ever starts charging $160.00 to $800.00 for models, then Renderosity will suddenly become a much smaller place. With a much tinier cash flow.

Birddie - perhaps you've not take a look at my gallery, 'cos I made almost exclusively Poser images... :) I was just kidding. It's hard to do humor on here. ;)

"I was just kidding. It's hard to do humor on here. ;)" It's difficult to vent at times too. Is it ever! I suppose TurboSquid would be like some specialty craft stores I like going to, and sometimes I do buy something I know I won't catch anywhere else, not caring about the price, I just want it and so I get it. But no matter how much I adore the craft stores I still get peeved if I see how much they charge for something I know I can get much cheaper at Wal-Mart or elsewhere, or if it's just a silly trinket and they charge megabucks. I guess we are all used to daz and renderosity market pricing and then it just seems rediculous to see such expensive similar stuff elsewhere. Obviously there is something worthwhile there and it has its' place for 3D consumers or TurboSquid wouldn't be TurboSquid. But us bunch here being funny about the place are not the only ones joking or venting about it, it's a standard curiousity and a bellylaugh for many who browse and shop around for 3D stuff.

In my opinion, DAZ isn't really all 'that' cheap/inexpensive for 3D content. Some of their clothing and figures are pretty pricey. But, they are reasonable & most people like myself who make min. wage on a job, can afford it. A 3D model is just that, a 3D model. Pricey models of any kind don't make a difference when you render or do animation, in my opinion, unless, of course your in the movie biz and or professional biz then well, that's different.