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Subject: Still working on it......


depalo ( ) posted Thu, 21 April 2005 at 4:21 PM · edited Sat, 26 October 2024 at 5:28 AM

Old, ancient Chinese way of thinking talked about The Ten Thousand Things: The Seer The Seen The Act of Seeing(perception). From The No-thing, came The One, from The One came The Two and from The Two came The Three or The Ten Thousand Things- another way of describing 'this material world'. Do you follow? So far, so good, but what do these ancient Chinese say about where the Pain and the Suffering come into play? Well, with only The Two-no pain and no suffering, they say. The Seer and The Seen are One and the same. Comprehend? The Ten Thousand Things must then generate the pain and the suffering??? Do you understand? "Look at that dirty, filty, homeless person standing on that street corner", she said, with a tone of disgust in her voice. Ah-Ha! - The Three! How would-The Two fit in this example? Well, the Seer would See the Seen as itself and that would be it-Acceptance!! Maybe.....these old Chinese were talking about the pain and the suffering found in practicing the fine art of - Value Judgements, because (1)The Seer, (2)Sees, (3)The Seen as some-thing different, seperate and outside of itself. You grasp that? I ask you, "Can you make it through a single day without one of these?" "Hummm...,I just don't know???", I suspect, as I shake my head and rub my chin. You see?


labinski ( ) posted Fri, 22 April 2005 at 8:13 AM

If the seer and the seen require a value judgement, then they consult the seeker, and you have three. The seeker sees and reflects. What does he reflect on? What is his guide? Where does it come from? The thousand things are found in the guide, for the change between the seer and the seen must have a meaning. The seeker reflects on the book, for it is a book about changes. If the seer and the seen require no value judgement, then nothing changes for the flame is frozen.The thousand things lie silent and still. How can pain and suffering exist unless one knows pleasure as well. The seer merely sees. Do you see?


depalo ( ) posted Fri, 22 April 2005 at 1:01 PM

Yea L, this is a tough subject to write about and to clearly understand. Currently, I have been working on 'Style' and 'Content' in my writings. I challenged myself on this one and I am still workin' on it. I am going back to more tradition writings styles and will get back to this one later. Thanks, D.


labinski ( ) posted Sun, 24 April 2005 at 4:05 AM

I would suggest drawing a graphic. Don't use ink when putting words on paper. Use concrete if you're building a tower: This works for an edifice or idea.


NothingNess ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2005 at 9:55 AM

This piece you're writing, it's thought provoking and I find myself want to respond, however I realize this is not your intent. Stepping back and looking at it from a different perspective. I would agree with labinksi, an illustration or chart of some kind would help. The ideas swim around my head and get tangled in each other. I have an idea of an illustration forming in my mind. Would be hard to create but it's taking shape but probably not what you had in mind though. Hence the risk and reward with writing, the potential for it to take on new life and the possibility of not getting your point across.


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