It was a way to import D|S export formated OBJs into Bryce. Its not needed in 5.5.

Message edited on: 05/01/2005 18:07

(Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5)

Show me where I can get it for $15 - not $99 and I may be interested, if I don't have to buy a pack that is no longer available or join a club that costs me $X per month.

So how long do they have to continue offering upgrades? Hasn't it been almost 8 YEARS since bryce 4 was released?

No was released about the same time as Poser 4 I think

And how do you then verify that they actually bought Bryce 4? I'm sure 1/2 of the serial numbers and records have been lost to time by now.

CL didn't seem to have a problem verifing Poser 4 serial numbers for the upgrade to Poser 6. Come to think of it Eovia didn't have a problem with serial numbers either.

I am really sorry Garree that you have taken such a defensive stance on this - my last thought was to enrage you.

I will just bow out of this gracefully - I again appologize for stiring up your sensitivity.

Attached Link: Link to Activate Latest DAZ|Studio Download

Here's a link to activate the latest version of studio in your account downloads. I'm just going to add a little bit of my opinion, then, watch this thread now and again. Honestly, dropping a program because you couldn't use it the way you wanted to the first time is a bad reason. Remember the first time you got Poser, Bryce, or, really, any program the first time, and tried to use it without answering any questions? You probably felt frustrated. I did, too. Then, I started asking questions, learned that it's not as hard as I was making it out to be. If anyone has any questions about D|S, we've got a forum here for it, and we'll be glad to help with any problems or questions. If not, we'll either redirect you to DAZ's forum, or ask the question there for you. As for their requirement of D|S for Bryce....it's their app now. *shrug* I didn't get it yet because I don't have the extra cash right now, but, even if I didn't use Studio as much as I do, I probably wouldn't mind. *my 2 cents...bowing out of the thread*

Um. I can't post there. :)

I get a page not found error.

Attached Link: fixed link

Well, if you can't post there, I'd be more than happy to relay any program-related questions you might have, if I can't help you with them myself in the D S forum

MS

Message edited on: 05/01/2005 18:30

Thanks! Having horrible trouble connecting to site yesterday and today. Will try again later.

Daz Studio is a bit of a mixed blessing. On the one hand, agree it would be great if Daz would just focus on what they do best (content,) CL focused only the programming, and they worked together. That would definately be better for the community in the short term. On the other hand, competition is a good thing. For too long, CL's held a virtual monopoly on low-priced, easy to use character animation software. If DS becomes real competition, we may see better performance and customer support from both companies.

Tas, the only reason I took a defensive stance, is that you were presenting it as if Daz did NOT offer an upgrade path already... and the upgrade cost is almost non existant, so I have a hard time understanding how anyone can complain about it.

Anyone know how close Studio is to being completed? I couldn't find anything.

Anyone know how close Studio is to being completed? I couldn't find anything.

They don't have a concrete completion date, save for "soon". ;) IMHO, that's a perfect completion date. If it's late, people will rip them up and down (even more than they do). If it's early, people will complain that it was rushed. I'm all for them taking time with it, and perfecting it. As long as they don't tweak the shaders too much more, LOL.

I don't think anyone really knows. It's been "soon" for months now. :)

Completed is relative, since after 1.0, its not going to "stop progressing".

Okay just wasn't sure how much has happened over the year. Thanks. Thanks again for the link. I'm going to try rebooting to see if my browser over there gives me better luck. Are there any material/shader tutorials. Or do you have to just use the P4 Mat files?

I meant "finished" as in "able to righ in it", "make materials", "customize", etc. Or is it just a viewer? I guess I was refering to completed features. you know... 1.0

There are some in the DAZ forum. D|S can load P4Mats to set basic settings, but the other non-P4 settings can be saved and reloaded in D|S's native material preset format.

Attached Link: DAZ|Studio forum

For those of you that want, I'm going to ask a few members in the DAZ forum if it would be ok for me to link the tutorials from here. Not c/p, just link. There are some really awesome tutorials, reflection/refraction setting tutorials, as well as material shading info. I'll let you guys know when I've posted them over in the D|S forum here. MS

Great Thanks! Time for a movie. Cheers

;) Have a great time!

"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem." Wow. Did daz really suggest that? That would be a new low in 'cheezy-obnoxious' even for them ;)

(Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5) Show me where I can get it for $15 - not $99 and I may be interested, if I don't have to buy a pack that is no longer available or join a club that costs me $X per month. The $15 price was from four discounts. ($30 Coupon (received by those that bought the Starter Content Bundles last year), $20 Upgrade discount (Available to all Bryce 5 users) 30% Off PC Discount (Platinum Club Members Discount) and last $5 PC Voucher (Platinum Club Members) *NOTE: It will save you $5 to join the PC for one month, since the $30 to join will give you $35 off Bryce (30% Off plus the $5 Voucher) so sometimes buying more will save you more even if it is for one purchase! If you are a Bryce 5 owner, you can get it for $79.95, and still get all the other goodies without joining anything if you want to be stupid about it, but if you want to be smart, Join the PC and get it for $45 + $30 for joining the PC.

"For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????" OH MY!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED! No way to use the new Vicky/Mike/David/Aiko 15 in Poser! MUST SWITCH TO D|S IMMEDIATELY! That's just the kind of scaremongering we need to be persuaded... :D

"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem." Wow. Did daz really suggest that?" ---------------- No, they did not, it was the opinion of one individual. AgentSmith

Wow.... everyone seems to have all of details on this. Just for your information, it wasn't just one individual of the DAZ Staff proposing this.

And, its not even what I said. I said you could try building the scene in D|S to get around the pz3 import problem, you seemed to be having. As I said farther up, I and many others haven't had a problem importing them.

Not to say that you aren't, just suggested that building the scene in D|S was an option. If you don't want to fine. I never said you had to do anything, and I never mentioned Poser at all.

aeilkema, Are you going to sell off your Poser, because a individual or individuals have suggested you just build scenes in Studio? No. Well, MOST people won't anyway. I don't really understand...your love of Vue comes out in your posts...but you sold it away. (Vue 5 + Mover 5 + LightTune Module) And, your Caligari gameSpace 1.5 And, your Shade 7.2 LE You dislike Bryce/DAZ, but you can't seem to leave it alone. Just an observation. Btw, I get first dibs when you sell your Bryce 5.5, lol... AS

I know some aren't having problems opening their pz3's and others do have problems. I know some that experience a grea render speed increase in B5.5 and others do not at all. For some when opening D/S from Bryce doesn't bring any problems at all, other only experience crashes doing so. In other words if you're lucky Bryce 5.5 will work, if you're not lucky it won't..... Bryce 5.5 is just very unstable and it's hard to figure out why there's the aplication is behaving so differently on a number of machines. "I never said you had to do anything, and I never mentioned Poser at all." Who knows what you said or didn't say, you edit your posts so often it's hard to trace what you stated originally. AgentSmith, yes I sold a numbers of 3D applications, but still got a good number left of them. They are sufficient for my needs. Sold Shade and gameSpace, because I do own TrueSpace 6.6, so no need for the other 2 anymore. Vue 5 + Mover 5 + LightTune Module are absolutely great, but it's got a major memory usage problem, that has been there since V4 and they don't seem to get rid of it at all. Besides that when working in large scenes Vue is just no fun anymore. Bryce is much better in it's memory usage and the way it handles larger scenes, but it has it's other problems. I'm going to stick with Poser 6 and TrueSpace (and a number of other 3D apps for support). Poser 6 is handling even my larger scenes very well, is very stable for me, has good memory usage and is responding well even with large scenes. Btw, I get first dibs when you sell your Bryce 5.5, lol... You can always make me an offer :-)

By the way.... I've got one more day left to debate with all of you. We're going to get a completely new network and are changing isp at the same moment, so I'll be off line for quite while (up to 5 weeks). Besides that I've got to finish 2 comics soon too. I'll be online to get emails (with a 56k modem) and do the absolutly neccasery stuff, so no forums and such. If I'm not replying you know I've gone, I'm not ignoring anyone, just can't participate for w while.

Actually, the post you are referring to was one sentence, and was never edited at all... And there is no point to further attempting to defend against an over-reaching generalization of a simple statement directed at an single individual as a suggestion as a way to get around their particular problem.

"You can always make me an offer"

Yeah, but I know how little you got it for, lol.

Good luck and speed with your comics.

AS

Message edited on: 05/02/2005 17:06

"In other words if you're lucky Bryce 5.5 will work, if you're not lucky it won't..... Bryce 5.5 is just very unstable and it's hard to figure out why there's the aplication is behaving so differently on a number of machines." Aeilkema - its very interesting what happens when you substitute the word "poser6" for the word "bryce" in what you just wrote..... I reckon the CL folks are thinking that same thing about the behaviour on different machines re the memory bug right now as they try and fix it.

"Aeilkema - its very interesting what happens when you substitute the word "poser6" for the word "bryce" in what you just wrote..... I reckon the CL folks are thinking that same thing about the behaviour on different machines re the memory bug right now as they try and fix it. I do tend to disagree with you. The P6 memory affects all of us. Eventually when pushing P6 far enough you'll encounter the memory bug. Some just don't push far enough. Also CL admints it's a bug. DAZ on the other hand, doesn't view the lack of render speed increase with a number of users as a bug. It's the fault of your machine. The problems with pz3 import in D/S are being blamed on CL. And so on. DAZ is just making up excuses for some of the problems there are with Bryce 5.5, instead of just admitting that some of the issues are just plain old bugs and perhaps even lack of experience in developping software. CL admits and listens to their customers. DAZ tends to deny and ignore users and even promise stuff and later deny they've promised it. Just read through a lot of the post at the DAZ forums and you'll see that they're not as customer friendly as they make themselves out to be. They're very good at ignoring users. They rather give you yur money back then deal with the problem. If it's not working for you, make use of the money back guarentee. DAZ staff and moderaters are very quick to tell you that, a little bit to quick imo. They rather have you dissappear quitly, then put the finger on some soar places. DAZ is brilliant at creating a hype, but when the dust settles, you just have to admit that you've fallen again for another hype. Sorry to say so, but I do not compare CL and DAZ and their problems at all. Bryce 5.5 has been the last thing I've bought at DAZ. Poser, I'll buy again (even pre-order it without thinking twice), eventually CL will sort it out. With DAZ I'm not so sure about the sorting out bit. They ignore problems (they love the blame others for them) and it take them ages to create their applications. They've spent ages on B5.5 and can't even get it right then. DAZ Studio v1.0 is already being announced as coming soon for almost a year now. So no comparisment between the two at all. DAZ behaviour has ticked me off long enough to leave them alone and go somewhere else for my poser content needs. We all know I'm not the only one. I doubt DAZ will miss me, one critical person less and they don't like people who point out some serious issues and problems to them, especially when they can't fix them.

I think then that we agree to disagree :) I see the two companies as fairly similar entities in how they work. They both make products that lots of folks like to use that have some bugs of varying severity. Bugs to me is anything that doesn't live up to hype/prior information or something that is just broken and they both seem to produce them (as does pretty much every software vendor to various extents). Whether its render speeds not living up to advertising, dodgy rigging, weirdo shoulder joints in horses, mellon shaped heads and big hands, content that doesn't work/isn't there, random crashes in tree labs, or memory bugs that afflict some people when they have 2 nekkid vickies but not others when they have 10, I'd be tempted to just call them all bugs. They both probably (I don't work for either so I can only say probably) know about some of these "bugs" or issues before they release their products (as beta testers, I believe, are fairly conscientious about these things so I would expect that they'd report a fair few of these issues if they are there in what they see). They both hype their products to try and maximize sales and try to avoid mentioning these bugs in the leadup to product release. Both companies seem to become more customer friendly and more open to admission when things are pulled into the light of day and enough people voice their concerns (except that one is silly enough to have a forum of its own for people to use as kindling underneath them lol). Hence, overall, I see them as pretty similar in a lot of ways. Seperately - You mention the pz3 import into DS - is that to do with not importing the P5/6 specific stuff and magnets (which I hope they're working on so that the p5 and p6 users can have a shot at it) or is there something else it craps out on? Or is it just the way it sometimes screws up the importing of pz3's (or so I've read - haven't tried it yet myself but am keen to give it a go when I have time to install things)? The thing that actually does get me however about the whole poser content into bryce thing which you sort of alude to here but you've mainly mentioned a few times in other places, is if daz can make a pz3 importer for DS, why they can't make one that allows direct pz3 import into bryce..... but then, on the other hand, a direct to bryce pz3 importer may exhibit the same problems that the pz3 importer into DS has with some pz3's, so in terms of end functionality nothing may be gained out of it even if they did have a direct importer.

You kinda answer your own question there, in the last paragraph.

Since Studio will keep on building, and getting better at pz3 opening, probably more logical to just keep that ball rolling, and have Studio be the translator, than to re-direct a brand new focus on Bryce opening pz3 files directly.

I'm just guessing, but with a low level of caffeine in my body...it sorta sounds logical.

Yet, having a Bryce that would import .pz3 and .daz files directly...I'm sure some users would like that very much...

I need coffee...

AS

Message edited on: 05/03/2005 00:25

Yeah, I was sort of thinking of the possible "why"s and "why nots" as I wrote lol. And yeap, it'd be a bit of extra programming I know, but I know a few people that would be much happier being able to import a pz3 with the same ease as other files (with the DS left in there as an optional "pose room" plugin, so to speak).

Who knows why these companies do what they do? Why did Metacreations sell off everything and bet the farm on metastream? Why did EGISys buy Poser and then just as quickly decide they didn't want it? Shade/Poser makes more sense but the results remain to be seen. Daz probably had a chance to get Bryce at what I hope was a cheap price but why didn't they stick to their knitting? I can only assume that they have ambitions of becoming another Metacreations which brings us back to where we started.

Mind-Boggling (fantasy-laden) Realism I'm another user that had a reflex distaste of what appeared to be Bryce 5.5's press ganging of DAZ Studio. It very nearly put me off upgrading to Bryce 5.5. I have to be very careful about what I spend... but I couldn't have been more wrong here. My prior experience of DAZ Studio dates back to early alpha days, and suffice it to say that the program did not survive for very long on my PC. I spent a lot of time reading threads both here and at DAZ, before deciding if I should take the plunge again with Bryce. I'd read that the Bryce installer needs DAZ Studio 0.9.20.5 (i.e. the very latest version) so I also decided to download that in advance as well (excellent content included btw). Although I already had this latest version on my system, the Bryce installer still wanted me to uninstall it - which I initially declined to allow it to do. However, I too subsequently discovered problems (when I launched DAZ Studio from Bryce) with it not having the required plug-ins to import some Poser content. Having read comments by rbtwhiz (in the DAZ Bryce forum topic - "Bryce 5.5 without D/S") I decided to re-install Bryce and this time allow it to 'update' DAZ Studio as well... and So far, my problems with importing Poser content now all appear to be fixed. Early days I admit - but at the time of writing I make no apologies for saying that I'm absolutely astounded at the whole new world of exploration that my new software is permitting me. Maybe it's a lack of confidence, but I've always considered myself to have little innate artistic talent. Already I'm impressed with my efforts at exploiting this new integration (after just a few minutes). There appears to be seamless integration twixt Bryce 5.5 and DAZ Studio, and so far it's proving to be little further effort for me to point DAZ Studio towards my Poser Runtime libraries, and directly use the content from there as well. I will not deny that I love Poser 6, but as someone who has in the past refused to give DAZ Studio a fair chance, I now find myself having to eat slices of humble pie. Since my early ventures, DAZ Studio appears to have advanced by leaps and bounds. The very easy Poser-Studio-Bryce routing that I'm now becoming acquainted with is (for me) opening doors to worlds that I had only hitherto dreamt of. I admit to being a bit slow on the learning curve when I initially purchased Bryce 5. However, after what I've read in the forums and am now am beginning to witness, I just had to fully open this window of opportunity with my order for the Bryce Tutorial DVD. I hope my bank manager understands, and time will tell if I have chosen wisely. Right now, I'm having a very lot of fun!

Caulbox's experiences almost mirror mine. I always knew D|S would be super cool when they got it far enough along, but admittedly, I hadn't done much with it since the alpha days either, due to being busy and not having time to test it and it being, well, very alpha and having alpha and beta typical problems back then. I just tried it and bryce anew in the past weeks and I'm very impressed. This is just my personal opinion. I really like P5 and plan to get P6, but I really love D|S and Bryce 5.5 and how they work together.

lol, you can add me to the caulbox experience as well. The early DS versions weren't promising so I sort of let it be for a while, but then I jumped back in at about the 9.7.8.x and it seemed almost usable, and the newer ones look even smoother.