have i got it all wrong, about the box at the bottom of an image?
"Provide Your Feedback Below
Your helpful comments for improving this image:
why do people tick the box to have them?"
do they just want their ass kissed or do you want to know if something dose not look right?
are you looking for help or just want pampering

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 04:53

I'm looking for both. If I do a good image, it feels good to hear that others like it. If there's a mistake, I want to hear about it. I see nothing wrong with either.

thanks Nalif
thats how i feel, i have had a lot of help with my 1st posted image. the comments made have been both, i have wanted both, some say "thats good" and others "have you tryed this" so i try to do the same about others work. but what i dont Expect is the artist to peply "LOL Not too seriously anal retentive are u? Wasnt bad enuff the first comment u left, that u had to go and re-edit and make it worse. Go piss on someone elses dedication. "

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 05:10

Well... I wouldn't expect a reply like that, but then it depends on the context of the piece. In all honesty, I wouldn't leave a criticism on a dedication or memorial piece. Sometimes those pieces are a little too personal to people, you know?

thanks Karen i will keep that in mind

SoulTaker, I always want suggestions on what other people think I should do to make my image better. I also enjoy knowing if other people like what I create. Now, there is a second part to all this. Once in a while, some kids invade this place. They click the Vote button for the Hot 20 like they are playing Asteroids on an old Atari (remember......click to shoot?). They can be insensitive and post negative comments on an image and think it's funny. They come here to look at the 30DD breast images and I, personally just try to ignore these children. I've looked at a few of the galleries of some of these negative comment leavers. It's rare there is anything in the gallery. I suggest going to look at the negative person's gallery to see how their work looks (if any exists at all).

hi krista i think you may have the wrong end of the stick. it was i who posted the comment, as follows "niceidea and work, but i think the scale of the sculls is alittle on the big side. plus some sort of back ground/sky would not have gone amiss. the thing that stands out the most(makes it look wrong)are the chains, her body pose says she is falling/pulling away from the snake, but the chains say she is pulling towards the snake. alittle more work and this could be a realy good image " the image was by one of my "Favorite Artists" and i felt was not up to their normal high standard. the comment "LOL Not too seriously anal retentive are u? Wasnt bad enuff the first comment u left, that u had to go and re-edit and make it worse. Go piss on someone elses dedication. " was the artis reply

Can you take someone OFF your favorite artist's list? ;^) If she isn't interested in improving, she'll be passed by those who do work to get better. I don't upload something unless it is pretty decent, but welcome comments and suggestions on how to make something more effective or more interesting or perhaps a technical tip. How else do we see things through another's eyes? Carolly

IME, an awful lot of artists who post to the galleries here don't want any critical comments. I tend to comment more in the Vue galleries, where criticism is more accepted, and artists are less likely to bite your head off.

The artist was rude. And extremely self-esteemed. If I was on his place, I'd probably commented "I tried my best, I think everything is allright here" - maybe even if there was something to work more on. I think it's just a kid who thinks everybody should bow to him because of his superior art, no criticism is welcomed. But if he doesn't like criticism, especially constructive, he shouldn't post his pics with "allow users to comment" option checked... And he can't even tell anything in proper English... SoulTaker, don't worry. You just can't help it, kids will always be kids. Some of them even at the age of 60 ;)

I welcome any comments you care to make, from compliments to outright panning or anything in between. It's a public gallery and I have to expect the bad as well as the good. Helpful advice is always welcomed, too.

""LOL Not too seriously anal retentive are u? Wasnt bad enuff the first comment u left, that u had to go and re-edit and make it worse. Go piss on someone elses dedication. " was the artist reply" Lol, ironically, this comment by the artist makes 'them' sound exactly like they are suggesting 'you' are, how silly and self absorbed is that?! Pretty sad when you can't even give friendly advice and you get blasted for it! Should have just went with the generic "Wow, your the greatest artist and I just looooove your work to bits!" That's all someone that has stopped learning wants to hear.

it's a sad fact that touchy artists tend to force people with good constructive criticsm to go into hiding

i really wish there was a "all forms of criticsm accepted" checkbox.

at least i can check that to let everyone know comments like "you should fix that big butt of hers" is considered good criticsm and welcomed for anything i post. it's always nice to get someone else's point of view on an image, no matter WIP or final image. i feel that if i disable comments, there will be no point in posting in a public gallery here since the fun part is to get feedback/crits edited for typos

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 09:56

You're right Fatale. But the checkbox should read "I'm an arrogant, selfcentered b(itch) or (astard), so just massage my ego because I'm the greatest or don't bother". I don't post gallery comments very often. I have never left a "WOW, greatest I have ever seen. Period" comment. When I do comment, I always leave (IMO) advise and helpfull hints along with an honest opinion and never only negative comments. So far, I heve never received a negative response from any artist...in fact, in most cases, I get the opposite reaction, one of appreciation, from the artist...just lucky I guess.

This has always been a problem here. There are nasty trollers who say things just to be mean. That aside I would love helpful hints. I would love to be able to say Honesty what I see that could help a picture. If I do a fantasy Picture, where the background is just as important as the figure, I don't think it's helpful to say where are the shadows? Sometimes, a picture does not need shadows. When they use to have the old Bryce forum, people were very honest, and so helpful. Sometimes it was a surprise when people would point out, something I missed. I wish we had a choice here to say I really want a honest opinion. :O) As it is now people just get pissed off.

Soultaker, I think you gave a very well-balanced critique. If the artist can't take that kind and helpful a suggestion, they should not check the comments box. It's hard when you've put a lot of work into a piece and get something like "piece of crap!" But your comment was on the money-- and I say this whether I agree with it or not, since I haven't even seen the work. Artists are touchy about their "babies"-- heck I am to the highest degree and sometimes I'll indicate that in the comments. But it would help them to know this and refrain from checking boxes if they don't want to hear anything but "Excellent!! MORE, MORE, MORE!!". Emily

I simply enable the comments box so that people can leave comments if they wish. I'm not usually looking for critiques or suggestions ... I already know what's wrong with my work. But if someone wants to waste valuable time analysing the image, I have no objections.

I wonder if in addition to checking "allow users to comment" people who want criticsm should make the first post themselves and indicate they are seeking constructive advise and critique for the image. Myself, I no longer much comment aside from an occasional "Great!" on anything that isn't done by someone with whom I have had correspondence as I have come to the conclusion most posting to the gallery is done for reasons other than soliceting criticism. What those other reasons are I have no idea, actually I would love to know.

I rarely comment on stuff, but usually if I see a problem, I'll offer a solution. I'm probably known as 'Pakled the Great' because I usually end up with great stuff..and always an exhortation to post more stuff. So far, I've onlly had my A** handed to me 3 times in 4 years..;) And I've probably removed more pictures from my galleries than some trolls have posted..(but I use the 'sphagetti strand' theory, throw it up in the gallery, and if it sticks, it stays..;)

I don't like to comment on 99% of images why??? Well for the couple of years i have been here i have noticed a tendency for artists to aggressively attack some people for commenting on there work that may not seam to "kiss the artists butt", especially where the Ranking system is concerned (After all who selects anything other than "Excellent"?) I prefer to get comments no matter what people think, as long as it's not one of those spotty kids who thinks it's fun to just mess around, as telling me that something is wrong or could be better would make me re-look at my work to the point that i may see something that i have overlooked. and that is what art is about, to accept the good and bad comments, for that is the way that you will make your work stronger and better. feel free to comment on my work as any comments are greatfully received, whatever they are.

I give very good critiques. I know this because I studied art and had to learn how to give as well as take constructive criticism. A good critique includes what's right about the picture as well as what could be improved, but here at Renderosity, most people get their knickers in an unholy knot if you say ANYthing that even remotely resembles anything other than praise. Even if, for example, there's a table intersecting the figure's leg, if you dare to mention it, you're a "troll", etc. etc. So, like many other people, I don't bother. It's a shame, because the people who DO want constructive input can't get it, but I'd just rather not deal with pain-in-the-arse "artistes" who don't want to improve and can't stand the thought that their latest masterpiece with crap lighting and a prop cutting into the model's body is anything less than utter perfection. bonni

If I'm looking at the gallery, I only reply if I have something positive to say, or ask a question about how they managed to do something. If I don't have anything nice to say I move on.

The box is there for comments, good or bad. However, to me art is subjective and the artists' creation based on their own ideas and creative streak. I don't feel it's my place, to tell them they should have done things differently. Just because I wouldn't do what they did, doesn't make their creation bad, or for that matter, my alternative way as right.

There is no "right" way to do art. It's individual to the artists' eye and imagination.

Art is creative expression.

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 21:34

Well, if you have a good REASON for props to be intersecting the model's body, yeah, then maybe it's all right... ;-) bonni

No - it's worth all the fun to read the comments.... Just post an image that has won an award, and then sit back and read the comments from people who weren't the judges..... Amazing how people's ideas of good differs :)

I'm guessing from the use of the term "anal-retentive" ("A person characterized as anal retentive is perceived to be worrying too much about "nit-picking" little details...," that this person feels that pointing out details like the size of the sculls or the angle of the chains is picking on minutiae that they don't consider important to their work. Of course, that doesn't excuse the rather rude response they gave you. Some people may appreciate knowing that you think if Vicky were really hefting a sword that big, her bicep would look different, others may not. Some people are probably more receptive to detailed technical criticism, others may see that as nit-picking. Some, as has been said, really don't want anything negative at all. The problem is, there is no way to tell what any one individual wants or feels comfortable with. They check the box and take their chances, you leave your comments and take your chances. You may know what your best friend want's to hear when she asks "does these pants make my ass look big?" Here, it's a crapshoot.

Now this answers my question. I was always wondering why people don't honestly tell me what needs to be improved in my art. I think I have evolved but when I post an artwork in the gallery, the comments are still the same than they were two years ago. Apparently I was as good then as I am now, which isn't possible. Even worse for me it when I post an artwork I think is good and I don't get any feedback at all, which leaves me with a '?'...How can we learn and improve if the more advanced ones don't comment and make suggestions... I think we should have a checkbox which says All critics welcome with a possibility of choices as of what type of critics like DA does...this way you would know if artists want their ego stroked or genuine comments....

"There are nasty trollers who say things just to be mean. That aside I would love helpful hints. I would love to be able to say Honesty what I see that could help a picture. If I do a fantasy Picture, where the background is just as important as the figure, I don't think it's helpful to say where are the shadows? Sometimes, a picture does not need shadows." Turtle wrote. I notice stuff like lack of shadows, and, don't like it. If you are working in 3d it should be 3d all over. But, I no longer comment on anything where I would say it is less than perfect. I have been accused of trolling when I commented that reflections weren't right, and hair was a bit flat looking. I think most folks don't want critiques, actually. At least in the Poser gallery. But, that's just my opinion.

For the years I've been on this site I've only had a few helpful comments that improved my images, more that were trolls that just wanted to trash what they saw and mostly compliments that were appreciated but weren't all that helpful. My conclusion has been that it isn't the comments that ppl here learn from. It seems that it's mostly from example, ppl see something cool in the galleries and try to do it themselves and over time in producing the images they learn to improve. Just like the rankings I don't look to the comments for insightful critiques since they don't seem to be used that way, it's more to share my work and let ppl give their opinions on it.

thanks to all that commented(no pun) your replys have been very helpful