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Subject: Rich's method of B&W conversion: advice needed.
Attached Link: http://www.powerretouche.com/Black-white_plugin_introduction.htm
Pascale, I use 'Black and White Studio' plug in...gotta admit, awesome results...
Attached Link: http://www.optikvervelabs.com/
Virtual Photgrapher is a freebie d/l Pascale...a lot of people use that one here ;)..that also does b/w conversions ;)..hope this one helps ;o)
Looks a perfect conversion to me. You have all the tones there from the white on the bag to the darker tones and retained the detail that is in the original shot.
I don't think this particular image is the best for conversion to b/w as colour is quite important to it. I think b/w works very well for face portraits, some landscapes and images where you are showing textures and form especially.
There are free plug ins you can get for PSP - like those from: 'Virtual Photographer' but then you are not learning and using the process of conversion which may be useful to you later when it comes to developing to more advanced imaging and developing a personal style.
Message edited on: 05/16/2005 15:14
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
Ooops crossed with Jim there he has the addy for virtual photographer
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
I have Virtual Photographer but, as u said Rich, I wanna learn to do it "manually" so to speak! I picked this pic as a pic to work with Rich, doesn't matter really if it doesn't work well with this one! I just wanted to get that B&W conversion right! And, apparently, it did work so I'm happy! As for the image, I actually kept it in B&W but I toned it too and intend to use it for the scavenger hunt! ;) Thx a bunch for ur help guys! :)
Looks very good with the warmer tones - really gives the feel of a warm summer stroll :)
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
oK!! cOOL!! I have to thx u for the conversion method here Rich! I tried both urs and mine (which was to just completely desaturate the image) and I've noticed that a few details where lost when doing it my way while ur method preserved all that was there! Fabulous and SO simple! I also started to play with the mixer channel on another image and it also works for brightness and contrast! I'd love to know if it's best using this for the contrasts or the levels??
Attached Link: http://www.nikmultimedia.com/index/usa/entry.php
Yes, the second image you posted is much nicer! The warmer tones are good. Onslow gave you good advice.... it's much better to do it manually, greater control me thinks. Besides the two proggies already recommended, I'll sometimes use Nik Multimedia Efex.... a really nice filter kit, that has a BW converter filter in it. Let's you choose which spectrum to accentuate when converterting etc. See Nik Color Efex Pro 2.0 on the main page.I am, therefore I create.......
--- michelleamarante.com
"it also works for brightness and contrast" If all the values add up to 99 or 100 it will not change the brightness. If you use more of one colour compensate by reducing the amount of another eg. if you want a sky where the clouds show up more against patches of blue sky use more red. If you wanted to lighten the colour of foliage use more green but retain the total as 100. Brightness can be tweaked in levels or however you would normally do it after.
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
The total of your image when you put it in is 100 by using a total of more than 100 you are adding extra brightness to the image. This maybe ok for some images but is best not to because you could easily end up overdoing it and clipping a channel and losing detail without realising at the time.
If you do it in levels after or curves after you can see exactlty what you are doing and are far less likely to lose detail. PS: Good advice from Jim there :) PPS Most consumer cameras will have very similar focal plane shutters. Message edited on: 05/16/2005 16:43
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
Nik Color efex pro is for me the best plug-in I ever had..Since I started to use it..all orhers are almost unemployed..since there is a solution for almost any correction or effect needed..and it does not leave bad artifacts on images..Paint shop pro has often deals combining psp9 - nik color effect and Mystical tint tone and color wich is also fantastic , for 199$ us dollars . These 3 are my fav! You did very good on B&W with this imgage! I prefer too the warmth one ;-)
Pascale, the tone one is really great! I shop for free plugs but do have some paid ones..worth it. And, I have paid stuff I never use...like Poser. Love Poser but never really got into it.. Good work on the tone image, speaks well. I do agree after using lots of plugs myself, this last bunch of bw conversion threads are great. Now, I am trying to do it from scratch and have learned a lot in that. This lets me know more of how the plugins work and how to do corrections on my own, with or without the plugin. Peace and Joy. Tom d'art
I read this post earlier today and actually tried this channel mixer technique on your picture using my PSP8. I even tried to improve upon what you had done here, but I was unsucessful. I did manage to come up with one variation I liked by applying the mirror effect, effectivly transforming your photo into a three-legged guy w/two girls, but I decided that was not quite the effect you were looking for. I hope you don't mind my experimenting with your photo. I figured it ok being a forum question and all...The channel mixer tool appears a much better method than the change-to-greyscale tool which I usually use for such a task. I also learned to make sure the grand total stays at 100, and why + selective toning technique....and stick w/RGB. Now I just need to remember all these most-excellent technical tips. I'm glad you posted this one. :-) I also like your final result one the best, but think all are very nice... -Jeff :-)
LMAO@Jeff!!! So strange cos I actually tried the same thing and ended up with 2 girls holding hands!!! LOL!! The first 2 images were just to try that B&W conversion! I never intended to use them nor to make something nice out of them! I'm saying this cos u all said that u preferred the last one but, man, I surely hope so cos it's THE final version!! LOL! There was no choice to make here, that's what I mean! Oh well! Thx to u all a bunch for ur help, u guys rock, as usual! ;)
Tried a different method and here's what it gave: 
I think it makes the girls' head stand out a bit more from the background
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Aristotle
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@Rinze: It makes her head stands out a 'lil more indeed but the background has lost its contrasts, which I do not like. I wanted to keep all the details, contrasts and shadows in the B&W version. And the vegetation in ur example seems washed out. And u don't tell what method u used; that would be interesting to know! ;)
Method is simple..and you can tweak it to your liking. add 2 HSL layers. Set the mixing mode for the bottom HSL layer to color and set the saturation for the top one to -100 (making it b/w). Now with the hue slider on the bottom HSL layer you can vary the colorcasts..
What is a friend? A single soul dwelling in two bodies. -
Aristotle
-=
Glass Eye Photography =- -= My Rendo Gallery =-
That's what I used to do Rinze!! But it's not as good as Rich's method! His method is more precise and keep all the details of the pics on top of the luminosity. If u scroll up to #18, I explained that: "I have to thx u for the conversion method here Rich! I tried both urs and mine (which was to just completely desaturate the image) and I've noticed that a few details where lost when doing it my way while ur method preserved all that was there! Fabulous and SO simple!" Hehe! ;)
And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies
live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to
sea in a Sieve.
Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
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I followed Rich's method to convert this pic in B&W. Layer adjustement>channel mixer>red 33 green 33 blue 33. It's the basic but I think it worked pretty well here! I adjusted the original image first. Let me know what u think, what u see, and how I can improve it! Plz, thx, mwah! :D Ps: Thx again Sheila sweety for the help! ;)