I've obviously got an ulterior motive for asking this, but maybe if I don't mention what it is nobody will yell at me. If you were going to buy a dynamic clothing and hair package, what characters would you want supported? Vic 1, 2 or 3? Steph 1 or 3 (whatever happened to steph 2)? Milgirls? Laura? (was there a laura 1 and 2?) Renda? Dina? Posette? Judy? Nia? did I miss anyone? I, of course, am asking this out of pure curiousity and absolutely nothing else. yup. thats the ticket.

I usually use Vicky 3.0, sometime Stephanie Petite or Laura if I want to give her a friend, or Michael 3.0 for a boyfriend. But a good 70 to 80 percent is just a morphed version of Vickie 3.0 that i really like. Actually, in a way, I don't really even use Vicky herself, just the character I created out of her.

Boy ;), these are all female figures. There are male figures (Michael 1.0/2.0/3.0, Victoria 3 Male, Freak, David, Luke, Hiro, Ran, Apollo Maximus, Dork, Don, Jesse). Rant mode There are three billion articles for V3. It's becoming ridiculous the number of characters, morphs, textures, shoes, clothes, and other assorted items for V3. Here, you have dozens of other figures living in cardboard boxes with a shoebox of clothing and noone will support them. I'm moving my bizz to PoserPros. At least the vendors there have conscience enough to support multiple figures, both male and female. Renderosity is V3 central. How much V3 shit does one require!!!!???? off Jeeeeezuuuuus Christ on a pogo stick!

kuroyume0161, I can tell you why I don't normally design stuff for the male figures: they aren't interesting to me. I am a lifelong appreciator and observer of the female form. I also, BTW, prefer V2 or S3 over V3. My next dynamic clothing pack will most likely be unisex, however.

Whatever you appreciate. :) Just drop V3 and support S3, Aiko3, Laura, puhhhleease! WW does make this frustration somewhat moot, but it becomes ridiculous. If half of the other figures received half of the support that V3 received, I think that we'd all be content. ...Breaking News... For those who haven't figured it out, there are other figures besides Victoria 3! ...Back to our regular broadcast... I wholly expect Anton's female equivalent of Apollo Maximus to kill V3, put 'er in a funny shaped box, and bury 'er in a deep grave. AM is one of the best constructed Poser figures that I've encountered in my several years of Poserizing. V4 had better be amazingly exceptionally incredible if they want to compete!

My reading of the DAZ end user licence leads me to believe that they consider all clothing made for their figures to be derived works and subject to their approval. Maybe now that there are so many excellent alternatives folks should consider making accessories based on a non DAZ figure. Particularly now that it is possible to convert clothing so easily from one figure to another.

I agree with you completely Kuroyume. Tho there are some attractive characters and clothing out there for v3, she's the most worn-out used up broad i've ever met.

I WAS (a-hem), working on a rather sexy outfit for Blackhearted's version of Renda, but since we all know now that v3 will be swallowing Renda up, I won't be continuing the project. I'll still create the outfit but I refuse to make it for v3, or a product that requires her. Its nothing against daz, but until somebody creates something thats more original and attractive than v3's body shape I'm not doing anything with her.

For now I'll be working on something for one of the lesser-supported female figures, and I am getting back to work on an outfit for M3 that I began a couple months ago. A friend of mine has agreed to convert it to the Freak and David, so I'm supporting all 3 with it. This is not the entire suit tho (pictured), there's still a cloak and coat tails that have not been completed. And then there's texturing. *I would make clothing for Apollo too, especially seeing as how that's most-likely where the bulk of the money for male clothing is at the moment, but I don't have him, and can't afford him, so unless somebody offers to buy him for me, I'm stuck with the guys I've got to work with atm.

E.D.

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Nice subliminal advert there PhilC...lol I agree with RealDeal,and in some part with kuroyume0161 but wont you be ranting on about V4 when it comes out anyway? Is there any info (link) on the female Apollo Maximus? as this could be the closest to beating V3... and no i don't like S3, yes i do have her, she arrived too late and is a V3 spin off...

I think the Zygote free models, once rigged, can have lots of great potential. Very realistic proportions, etc.

Anton has stated in at least one other thread that he plans something for a female figure but it wont be until sometime next year before he begins it. Maybe he's changed his mind since then but doubtful. I'm just quoting what I read. I've only heard rumors of an 'ultimate' v3 model, but since I rarely ever go to daz anymore, unless i see something in their newsletter that interests me, and i visit their forums even less, I have no idea what the deal is on a new v3. The reasoning behind not supporting male figures because one isn't attracted to them is idiotic. That holds about as much logic as a film director not using male actors because he isn't attracted to them. There's loads of possibilities for male clothing in poser, and it doesn't have to be 'sexually appealing' to be good, quality stuff. E.D.

One Sexy lady everybody forgot is the She Freak...A Great Action girl...To bad there's not a lot out there for her

kuro - chill, guy. Reason there ain't much for the mail figures is because they aren't extremely popular. Demographics say that naked women win hands down. Sorry but it's the truth.

ExistentialDisorder, I'm sory you see it as idiotic. I've been working on my current pack for about a week, 12-16 hours a day; I couldn't be paid enough to do this for someone else, and couldn't make myself create something that I wasn't interested in in the first place. While we're bashing figures, though... Why is everyone so impressed with Laura? The milgirl with morphs looks the same, is compatible with tons of V2 stuff, and is generally easier to work with; as far as I can tell from looking at the meshes, all laura is is a remapped and slightly morphed Milgirl, anyway.

*"Rant mode There are three billion articles for V3. It's becoming ridiculous the number of characters, morphs, textures, shoes, clothes, and other assorted items for V3. Here, you have dozens of other figures living in cardboard boxes with a shoebox of clothing and noone will support them."* True, however the incredible wardrobe wizard python script for MAC/PC has made this a NON issue for me. I use M2 and V2 because i so utterly despise DAZ's "morph injection" system ive spent the last five days converting my V3 clothing to V2 and doing the same for M3 to M2. and lets be honest ,alot of the V3 stuff is very good and high quality so the Glut of V3 Content just means more stuff for me to take over to my venerable V2. BTW this leather out fit my CG clone is wearing in this pic was originally a V3 item!! now retasked for Mike2 **DEATH TO MORPH INJECTION** **LONG LIVE M2/V2!!!!!!** (and philc)

I wouldn't necessarily say that converting clothes is a non-issue. Not everyone has shelled out the money for Wardrobe Wizard, and not everyone is a hardcore user. Your market includes a lot of hobbyists on a budget. Now, I'd like to see more clothes in general for M3. I can find, and have found, anything I'd ever want for V3, with many, many alternatives. It's a good thing that there's so much out there for her, because that creates competition which benefits me, the consumer. But when I look for clothes for M3, there's just not a heck of a lot out there. Other than DAZ's overpriced packages, which I avoid buying. On the other hand, when talking about dynamic clothes specifically, I would expect to less less for M3 simply because traditionally male clothes don't have long flowing skirts. I prefer to use conforming to dynamic when I can, and with M3 I can see lots of situations in which dynamic clothes would be superior. It would also be nice to see some stuff come out for the Human Project figures. If your clothes are good, you don't have to worry about whether people have bought the figures- they can download the figures for free if they like your clothes.

SamTherapy, the reason male figures aren't popular is that they have so few clothes or other items created to support them! V3 has more high-heeled shoes than M3 and David have clothes combined. The next Daz female should be named Imelda 1. :) I guess that NMIATWAS isn't as appealing as NVIATWAS. The only way to avoid this is to have clothes for the male figures!!! ;) The 'Survivor' hierarchy seems to be: Victoria 3 Female figures MilDog/Horse/Cat Incredible Morphing Cube Male figures PoserPros and PoserWorld are doing a lot of multi-figure clothing items or converting existing ones to fit an array of figures. Very, very little of that in the MP. And I agree with bjbrown. This is why I said WW makes it somewhat moot. There are still issues, not everyone can afford it, and morphs are not transported easily. WW is a partial solution only, a good one, but partial.

Thanks to Phil's WW, go ahead and create anything you want for the Daz Dynamic Duo. I'll still get 'em to fit Lady LittleFox's K-Gang.

I think you people are getting too caught up with the model.
I'm not interested in who makes the model. What I am interested
in is what I can do with the model. And for my purposes
Victoria 3.0 has the morphs I require to make characters
look the way I want them to look. I have tried other
models, but none of them seem to have the versitility
of V3. Plus I already have V3 and she can be made to
do what I want with her, so I don't really have a lot
of incentive to spend money on something else that may
end up not doing what I want it to anyway.
And wasn't the original question "Most popular character"?
So why all the long rants about why you don't happen
to like a particular character? That wasn't the question.

whatever.... very cool textures on that suit, wolf E.D.

If it's dynamic, it really doesn't matter. It's pretty easy to convert dynamic clothing to other figures, even without Wardrobe Wizard.

Personally, I'd like to see more clothing for Steph Petite and Laura, but I suspect Aiko and V3 will earn you more money.

I tend to use Vickie Lo-res, Vickie 2/3rds (what do you get when you put a V3 head on a V2 body?..;), Mike of the same ilk, Maya Doll, Sixus1's figures, heck, I've even used Dork on occasions..;) I've got more characters than I can keep track of, so I mix 'em up some..it's just that, for every character you have, you need clothes, shoes, college tuition, and..uh..where was I?..;)

Personally I hate V3, she is ugly by default and I just don't use her much! My favorites are Rosy Cheeks Lina, the original Mil Girls, Luke and Laura and of course Matt and Maddie. Aiko 3 and Hiro are becoming more useful too, they are extremely versatile~

"SamTherapy, the reason male figures aren't popular is that they have so few clothes or other items created to support them!" I disagree. Clothes aren't generally as much of an issue for most men in real life, so there's no reason why anything should change in the 3D realm. Most men - note I said most men - are seen as cyphers, probably because the majority of 3D artists are male.

"My reading of the DAZ end user licence leads me to believe that they consider all clothing made for their figures to be derived works and subject to their approval." I can understand that as far as the cr2 JPs and such are concerned (to an extent, as those are Poser program settings, but anyways...). But the clothing meshes - my meshes - no indeed. I would pull the cr2s and the products if they asked me to - for good reason - sure. If someone doesn't want me making clothing for their figures, well ok. But I will damn well fit the meshes to whom I want to with little they can do about it. Nothing I make follows figure contours exactly (mathematically) - its loose approximation to real world human dimensions.

I don't understand, no clothes for men??? maybe not as large of a varity but I see clothes from all periods of life out on the net from Pirate to Musketeer, nobelman, Suits, sweat suits, underware, beach shorts military uniforms futuristic clothes, tank tops, sweaters, jackets, coats, sports uniforms, when I look in my archives I have quite a bit of M/M2/M3 clothes not all were purchased, and not as much as the females but quite a bit almost like going to the mall 3/5 of the stores are for women and 1/5 are men maybe it would be better to give example of what you are looking for then to just say it ain't there

I took this thread as an invitation to make a wishlist for a merchant. And I declare that Michael 3.0 desperately needs some Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

Attached Link: http://www.dadhop.netfirms.com/

In regards to those who are bored with V3, and curious about Sixus1's Project Human characters, I am making some clothes for her. I am also learning how to make morphs, and will hopefully have some cool body morphs soon. Pictured is a baby-tee shirt and a pair of cuffed capri's for PH:Female. I still have to texture them and add other details. As for the Zygote models, DAD has rigged them, and they are available at the link below. One thing to note, they do not have operational mouths, nor facial exporessions, but people are working on them as well. -The Starkdog

Actually, not to sidetrack with my own ranting... I did get clarification from DAZ. The original meshes themselves do not fall within the EULA in regards to derivative work as long as you did not directly lift the shape from the figure whether via shrink-wrapping, contour projection and similar methods. If you hand-fitted lofted splines or box-modeled you are fine. This works for me and I do understand their POV.

"My reading of the DAZ end user licence leads me to believe that they consider all clothing made for their figures to be derived works and subject to their approval." "I did get clarification from DAZ. The original meshes themselves do not fall within the EULA in regards to derivative work as long as you did not directly lift the shape from the figure whether via shrink-wrapping, contour projection and similar methods. If you hand-fitted lofted splines or box-modeled you are fine. This works for me and I do understand their POV. " This is correct. The Eula allows them, at will and without other cause, to block the sale of any product specifically related to their figures. It does not give them ownership of the elements that comprise that product outside of, directly, their own specific products. So the meshes, textures, and ancillary materails are still owned by the creator -- jsut not usable in the original form for which they are intended, pursuant to DAZ's will. As for the figure to which the clothing should fit -- any figure but V3.

Right, but they can be made to work with other figures also, which is my intent regardless - I think other figures should be given a fair shake too ;)

At this point, I'm of a strange mind that says only other figures should be supported. but then, um, I'm crazy, y'know?

I'm looking forward to the "open source" figures, and will be supporting them as soon as I can work comfortably with them. Here is what I'm going to support in further releases, where possible: Vic3 (she's free, which no one else seemed to mention) Vic2 (My favorite Vic) Steph3 MilGirl MayaDoll DinaV (obviously, someone bought her in the past) If I haven't gotten totally bored with the process at this point, I might also do: Laura (rip-off, but a lot of people seem to have her) Steph1 Aiko, she-freak, others (I don't have them at present)

More abstract clothing for both male and female figures would be nice to see. After all, how many skirts, dresses and blouses can one possibly need? Sci-fi stuff is fun and interesting to model and you're not limited by today's standard of whats "normal" or "acceptable". Same goes for armor and fantasy style clothing. I get a lot of ideas for the stuff I model from things I see in movies and music videos. People come up with some really interesting outfits that you wouldn't necessarily see people wearing in an everyday type setting on the street, which means it would be more for those nitch markets, but at the same time, this is all suppose to be art. I can go to walmart and see dozens of people dressed in every day garb of various colors and patterns. That's not very inspiring or imaginative. But what about crossing every day style clothing with really abstract things, so that one image can tell a story or convey thoughts and feelings just by what the figure is wearing, or holding. I'm a big Marilyn Manson fan, and one of my (many) goals is to model outfits based on ideas from the types of clothing he wears in his videos. Especially things like the stuff he wears in 'disposable teens' and 'the nobodies'.I could be wrong but I think he designs most of his own costumes. At the very least I know he has a lot of say as to what goes into them. The eye candy is what attracted me first before I ever paid attention to his lyrics. Back in the early days it was mostly just ripped fishnet and ragged leather but more and more his outfits reflect the messages in his music, just as outfits modeled for various poser characters can reflect messages in the images they're used in. E.D.

Why don't you have Aiko? She's free. At least the base figure is, which should be enough to make clothing from.

Just curious...

I don't buy anything that is for V3 only any more, unless it's 1) very inexpensive or 2) so unique I can't live without it. For the most part, though, I've got enough V3 stuff to last a lifetime. If it doesn't work with at LEAST one other figure (preferably several), my money stays in my wallet. Besides, I prefer Stephanie Petite when it comes to female figures. bonni

Did I read someone say that they would make cloths for DinaV? God Yes! The poor girl has only 4 dresses, 1 pair of pants, 1 pair of shorts, a tank top, and a "sports outfit". (and the sports outfit is actually just the shorts and tanktop put together.) That I have been able to find anyway... Would LOVE to see more things for her, ranging from the simple, to elegant, to bizzar, she simply needs cloths, no matter what style they are. I think Dina got a bum wrap when she came out, the Uni-mesh thing was new, no one liked that (Funny how it was described as the most inovative thing to hit poser when V3 came out in Uni-mesh almost 3 months later.) She has two character morphs (would love to see more), and no one really supported creating the types of morphs for her that Vicky got. So, I put my vote down for DinaV. Please :)

I hate poly bloat and I hate Morph INJ. I use Reduced Resolution figures. I wish there was a SP3RR so much but even with the money I din't think could buy SP3 since I can't stand the idea of getting another INJ figure... I prefer MorphManager to INJ/REM for sure. I think Millenium 2, esp. Reduced Resolution were the best though I find it hard to un-mike mike. I bought Character Creator for Mike 2 from PoserStyle but they Down Loaded me a different file and won't answer my email about it so far. I love Posette and Dork when that lattern jaw is fixed on dork and the nassle labial crease on Posette. Narcissus and stahlratte are doing great things with Posette.