hi guys! here are a couple more infared shots May, shutter speed was 1/30 sec on both, just like in my butterfly shot that i posted in my gallery. just kinda feeling my way around with this filter. gonna go practice again in just a bit. i did very little postwork on these. toned them. little curves adjustment. cropped a little. just want some feedback 'cause i really find taking infared shots pretty difficult. Thanks a bunch guys!

here's another. both of these were taken from the middle of the creek bed in a dried up spot. used a tripod on both i believe.

Well it looks like you have got this nailed :-) I like the mood in the second shot, very nice indeed Sheila Hugz Dave

WOW!!! They look amazing Sheila!!! GORGEOUS EVEN!!!! Wow, i gotta get me some of them filters....whats taking me so long? Very impressive indeed, hope to see them in your gallery soon. #:O)

Oh man!! These are totally awesome Sheila!!! That first one makes me think of a Japanese garden in spring!! Totally superb!! It looks really spot on to me and I don't see how u could make these any better, honestly!!! it's gorgeous!!

Monday, September 5, 2005 6:50 PM Pacific Time Dear Sheila. These two images are a dramatic improvement over the previous ones posted. I personally like the second one more, only because of the balance between IF treatment and that which is not effected by the filter. This does not mean the upper one is no good. Just my own taste so to speak. While on the subject of the first one, I would recommend toning the highlights of the IF down just a bit so we see more detail. It may be in the original and this is do to the down-sizing and jpg quality. You must look at the original on that. You will also find that certain times of the day have different affects on the IF filter and therefore the results will change. So it is important that you note not only the exposure but also the time of day and the relationship of the sun. Was it behind you, from the side or facing you. In general, Sheila, you are on the right track. I would also note that you should remember that I am taking about IF film experience and not digital since I have not tried to do this with the digital camera yet, however I believe there should be no differences between the two. Again congratulations on your success. Egmont

Look fabulous to me Shiela - my favourite is the first one :)

Thanks so much guys for your feedback! Helps me a lot!

Egmont, those infrared highlights in the first one...yeah...i hate those and it's like that in the original. I'll have to see about tweaking it. :)

Guys, i learned some interesting information. I did a lot of experimenting this afternoon, trying to figure out this filter. I've been having so many problems.

Kemal and i both have Sony cams. We found out that our cameras pose a challege for infared shooting when using an infared filter. Digitals cams block some infared light. How each camera does it is different, and how much of the infared spectrum each cam blocks is different.

When we're shooting we catch the part of the infared spectrum that not being blocked by our cam, and the part that the filter is allowing to go thru. i wonder how wide of a range that is.

Anyway, seems like just using our infared filter is not the best way to take infared shots.

the recommendation is to shoot in night shot mode in conjunction with our infared filter and possible one or more ND filters. I have tried it, but the multiple stacking of filters caused vingetting.

Problem is Sony makes this cam so nightshot mode is done with AUTOMATIC settings. With 1/60 sec shutter speed being the fastest shutter speed on nightshot mode, that pretty much sucks!

Also, with Kemal's Sony (DSC-717), he'll have to cover the infared lens to prevent black spots from occuring on the image.

Gotta tell ya guys, after shooting today, i was really frustrated with my results. Guess i'll just have to keep at it! Thanks again for your feedback, ya'all!!! Sure do appreciate it! :)

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here's some of what i read. I've included the link where i took this from. "The Sony DSC-7x7's Nightshot Mode With built-in NIR illuminators and a "Nightshot" mode that removes the IIRCF from the lightpath to the CCD, Sony DSC-F7x7 digital still cameras excel at IR-enhanced low-light work. They would seem to be naturals for daylight IR work as well, but Sony felt a need to force auto-exposure metering and to restrict Nightshot exposures (f/2 at 1/60 sec or longer) to keep voyeurs from subverting Nightshot to see through clothing during the day. (Some fabrics are apparently transparent enough in the NIR to reveal what's underneath in bright sunlight.) These firmware restrictions pose challenges for legitimate daylight IR work with F7x7 cameras, to be sure, but with ISO locked at 100, a deep IR filter (e.g., the Wratten 87c or the Hoya RM90 or RM100) and one or more ND filters to cut daylight NIR input, the F7x7s can rise to the occasion, as Paul Cordes recently detailed on RPD: I'm using a B+W 58 093IR, equivalent to an 87c. The filter is absolutely black and admits no light to visual inspection. The pictures are great.... You'll also need some Neutral Density filters, as the 707 is limited to f2 and 1/60th sec as the fastest shutter speed (Nightshot Mode). I'd suggest 0.3, 0.6 and 0.9 ND filters to give you flexibility for exposure control. If you don't mind a 3-filter stack, you can skip the 0.9 ND. Don't forget to block the IR emitters with something IR-opaque, or you'll see reflections from the back side of the filters. Stacking filters of course results in vignetting. If you think that you will be stacking, a step-up ring and IR and ND filters of, say, 67mm might be a good starting choice. Wish I had thought of that before I bought mine! Paul recommends the "Sony Talk" forum at www.dpreview.com as a good resource for F7x7 IR photographers."

your infrared shot are very beautifully done! i'm very happy to see that your camera is very fast with your new filter! i love the clarity of the first and the strong contrast of the seconds! you've captured this peaceful places perfectly! i've a question to ask to you... i've see a strange circle (or half circle, depends of the zoom) in my shots... here i've just one... it happens when i've the sun direcly behind me... i've covered the view of the camera and protected the camera from sun reflections or flare... but it still remains! i've you had the same problem in the same conditions?

Thanks so much, May, for your input! Means a lot! and i appreciate all your help in IM too! :) Yes, i had this happen before. it happened to me only once today. the sun was at my back. May, i shot this one at f/2.2; 1/10 sec. shutter speed, and ISO 64. i was trying to shoot on longer exposure times today (up to 2 seconds) and all my images turned out terrible. This one is awful! i'm embarrassed to show it. oh well. Anyway, i sure do love that image you posted here! soooo beautiful! the water is like silk! Awesome clarity too! :)

sad to see so many circle... but i'm happy for this! i've thought to a terrible problem of my camera or incopatibility of camera+filter... if you find some adjustment let me know :) 1/10 seconds... this is terrible!!! you're lucky!!!

i'll let you know when i find out, May! it's weird though...i took other photos in this direction but it didn't happen. just this one. odd, huh?! :)

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my problem may be the lens of the eos kit...

Hi, ive several years in IR field. Tvernuccio = dust on filter or lens or both (dust reflects alot of IR)be sure filter is spottless, or youll see it. Mayday = Ir light is bouncing around inside the lens barrel. That spot from the apreture. One of my Nikons has it...thankfully my new Nikon doesnt:) Youll have to put up with it. Set camera to the largest apreture and make sure the clear sky isnt ever in the middle of the camera....Throw a stray cloud into the middle if your sky is going to be there. Zooming in will help a little too. It drove me crazy after a couple of years..thankfully, that camera fell and broke and was forced to buy anew. :) Anyone has any IR questions, feel free to ask. :)

By the way, those top shots look great Tvernuccio. Ditto with your shot you posted mayday, burn spot aside. :)

Heres a sample shot with an IR Flash i made the other day. Took a BIC ink pen, took out the ink stick inside and emptied ink evenly over an old flash and let it dry for two days. The ink blocks the visible light, but IR easily goes thru ink. Had to stay still for 1/2 second for the shot. Little blur, i moved. ;)

Magenta cast is what my camera assigns Near-infrared/IR light. Totally dark room....my pupils are wide open, flash doesnt effect them. Flash reflection can be seen in my eyes....no filter on the camera.

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thanks for your help azraell! it's sad to know that the problem is of my camera and not of objective :(((( yesterday i've try the most large aperture size... the quality is very bad and the circle appears again.... this time on every shot... not just with sun behind me... was a cloudy day... a very bad day... the autofocus doesn't work and the manual is impossible... my objective has no sign of infinite and i cannot see through the infrared filter... sigh!!! what kind of filter have you used on the past? except your hand-made (i'm waitin' for the next polarizing again....)

Mike, sure do appreciate your input!!!! Thanks for the warning about the dust! Will you tell me how you generally go about taking your infared images? The tutorials i've read say to use an ISO of 100. Those two images i posted, my ISO was set at 64. i've read to let in as much light as possible, keeping your aperture set around 2 which is what i've been doing. shutters speeds...most seem to use anywhere from 1/80 - 1/30. These two that i posted...i used these guidelines. funny thing is that i used the same settings and got totally crappy results. so i just keep experimenting. your pic is really cool, Mike! What a neat way to take an infared image! Once my husband and i have $ to buy another cam, we're going to convert our one cam into an infared cam!!!! :) thanks again for your help and input! :)

Mayday- So you have a dSLR? Could be lens kit like you said? Is that the basic kit that comes with it? Cloudy days are bad for IR. All the IR is diffuse from the clouds, pushes shutter times to the moon, and if its windy your foliage will be blursville. Also means that burn-spot will appear with a vengence. Focus will be hard in manual and impossible for auto. Could get noisey too.
I suggest what i did for 2 years...frame your shots carefully, keep that burn-spot on trees or clouds or grass so it will blend in. Keep it off the sky, rocks(most), dirt, bark, water, man-made objects(some)...all of which absorb or scatter IR light.
For my store bought IR filters, i have a Hoya R72 for my new camera and a B+W #093 from my old camera. Neither gets used much. I put the 093 on a flashlight sometimes so i can paint in IR at night, or need to focus in IR at night.

Tvernuccio- 50-100ISO, My old camera could capture at 1/30-60 shutter. New camera not as sensitive, so 1/4 on down for it. Full open aperture. These apply also to my homemade false-color filters.

And to both of you- Take lots and lots and lots of shots of whatever subject your shooting. Because only a few shots out of a hundred may make the final cut...too many things out there that want to ruin your shot(see dust image as example).
Check your manual focus when your using it. Ir has closer focal point than its visible cousin. If you try to focus in visible light, then lock it and put your Ir pass filter on, itll be out of focus and youll have to adjust.:(

Hope this info helps. :)

Mike

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Heres, more or less, my offical Infrared gallery.

No new camera pictures here, everything done with my old little(and broken) Nikon 4300 and B+W#093 pass filter and some of my first, experimental false-color IR filters.

This thing ate IR for lunch it seemed like. Hard to get flame shots cause the damn thing could see the IR in heat form, coming from inside the fire without the use of a filter. Turned half the flame IR magenta and threw psychodelic IR lens flares thoughout the pic. :(

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Mayday

Heres a small article i wrote on making some false-color filters.

Nevermind the "UV" part, there could be some UV leaking into the pic, but its unproven for the most part, so its a theory. False-color filters will also help with the burn-spot....at least, with my Nikon4300 they did. ;)

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Azraelll... you've an outstanding infrared gallery!!! wow! i'm impressed... i'll find the time to see every image of this! your tips are very important! you're very talented in this kind of art! with my camera focus is impossible with manual because i cannot see anything through the hoya r72... do you know some kind of "transparent" filter to use with a reflex camera? but with the same or near the same result? i've notice another artifact on my infrared picture with eos350d and hoya r72... it's like a light rainbow throught the entire shot... i've not idea if it is caused by wheather or focal lenght... sigh!!!

again there... just to show my false infrared works! as Azraelll said i've used the polarizing filters and a red on the top... i've do some test (without tripod due to the very short time) with another colours... with orange i've obtained some interesting effect!

two images without any kind of postwork... just resize... the low quality is due to a 400 iso of my old (but perfect with infrared) camera

Now youve got it. :) Looks great! Ya, Orange filters are used with Kodak ectachrome Ir film.....(False-color IR film.

As for the manual focus,...focus it manually without the filter on. Then replace the filter, and set focus closer. IR requires a closer focus than visible. Youll have to "focus bracket" your shots so to speak, until you get your subject sharp. Once you find the proper focus, write down the distance of your subject to your camera. Then you can start estimating your focus with those figures.

do you know some kind of "transparent" filter to use with a reflex camera? but with the same or near the same result? Hoya R72 is just about the lightest one out there. From there on down, its red filters + black and white. Not quite IR in my opinion...thats more like contrast enhancement.

Did you try the False-color on the eos350d? It lets in the visible too, maybe itll allow you to see your subject.

Cant help you with the rainbows....maybe the sun was on the camera....direct sunlight will bounce around between the filter, the lens, down in the barrel, then back out again. Could cause refraction-type rainbows. :(

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