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marcfx ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 4:42 PM ยท edited Fri, 22 November 2024 at 1:07 AM

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Hi Guys Would like some help please. I'm trying to find out how to hide the hidden bits left over from a negative and positive grouping in Bryce. The segment in the picture is all i need left so I can build around it without getting confused with all the 'dead' lines. Any ideas?? Thanks. Marc


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jfike ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 6:16 PM

I don't think you can do it. One of the things Bryce does is actually do the boolean operation(s) upon rendering. So you're seeing what's going to be rendered. Most other modeling programs do the boolean operation when you do the "grouping."


marcfx ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 6:26 PM

Thanks Jerry. This job is going to be very confusing even when colouring/naming the items. Even if you could lighten the parts not in the image to 50% opacity so only the chosen parts are viewable. :( Lets hope they put it in the Bryce 6 package. Thanks again. Marc


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haloedrain ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 8:42 PM ยท edited Fri, 14 October 2005 at 8:44 PM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=871798&Start=13&Artist=Bambam131&ByArtist=Yes

Check out the "Art of Boolean" images in Bambam131's gallery. He does complex boolean models and keeps track of what's what by doing it piece by piece and color coding it.

You can use colors by selecting the object you want to change the color of an object by selecting it and clicking the family icon (should be a gray box below the A) and selecting a different color. I think if you don't like the given set of colors you can change them by holding alt and clicking one of the family swatches. I suggest naming your families (and each object) too. You can also use the families to select sets of objects - there's a family icon at the bottom in the selection panel. Edit-- sorry, just read your second post about where you mention coloring and naming--never mind!

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marcfx ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 8:55 PM ยท edited Fri, 14 October 2005 at 8:57 PM

Hi Pam

Thankyou for your help. :)

I have seen Davids works and he must have the patients of an angel. One thing i did notice is that he uses a black background which may help and i think i will try.

Its just slightly annoying that you cant remove/hide the parts not in use or i should say not in view.

Funny thing is my scene will NOT have that amount of parts to it. It will take me years to finish a thing like that!! LOL

Thanks again

Marc PS; Just noticed i visited his image back in January this year :)

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TheBryster ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 9:19 PM
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Not sure what you're trying to achieve here, but that shape could be created with a lot less trouble than you've gone to.....probably with just 2 cylinders and 2 spheres.

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xenic101 ( ) posted Fri, 14 October 2005 at 10:40 PM

Quick & easy.

Select the group. Go into solo mode. ungroup it. Select the pieces you want to fiddle with. Group them (so you get a boolean group to work with). Select the rest of the pieces of the doodad. Group them (to make reselecting them later easier if there are more objects in the scene.)

Now you have two groups, one to work on, and everything else.

Select the group you want to work with. Exit solo mode. Enter solo mode. now you have just the object selected to worry about. Fiddle. Fiddle. Fiddle. Done? Ok.

Exit solo mode. select the two halves of your original group. Ungroup. Group.

Your original arch should nbe one group again. You might have to modify putting it back together depending on the fiddling you do.

It's quicker & easier to do than read.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 3:08 AM

Where is "Solo Mode"?

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marcfx ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 8:09 AM

@Chris Yes, you are most probably right but, its the 'getting rid' of the parts unseen I'm trying to do. The main object is something i had in which the part was already there, I was just trying to explain if there was anyway to remove the unwanted parts just to make things easier........I will try with a smaller amount of parts. @Carl You lost me at "Quick & easy! LOL Thanks anyway. Regards Marc :)


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skiwillgee ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 10:28 AM

I think jfike has it right. Family colors and attribute names helps but it is still visible. Solo mode simplifies the mess when working on small bits, but the finished product will still have unwanted wire frames showing. You can select "view as a box" when you have finished your booleaned object to clean up some of the mess-mesh and speed up refresh times and clear up memory. @ Fran... just right of tool bar that allows you to select all objects of similar type (terrains, sheres, plains ...) click the button in center of what looks like fast forward, fast reverse control. It turns red and only the object(s) selected from your scene will appear on the screen along with the background sky. It makes for easy manipulation and testing of the selected object. Did that make sense??


skiwillgee ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 10:38 AM

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solo mode button


FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 12:36 PM ยท edited Sat, 15 October 2005 at 12:39 PM

skiwillgee,

Ah yes, now you say that, I do dimly remember hearing about that once before. Thanks. Oh Marc, Have you thought of using Wings to create this shape? That would certainly do away with everything but the shape you want.

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marcfx ( ) posted Sat, 15 October 2005 at 6:27 PM

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@skiwillgee Thanks for explaining that, I didnt really know what it was...learn something every day :) @Fran. I'm really trying (and not getting very far) to do this in Bryce. Wings is a programme that I havent really gone into yet and I feel I would be cheating myself if i did do it in another programme. At least I'm learning new ways in Bryce, some good and others bad :( This is what i have at the moment.........still need to fathom out the mathmatics for a 6 sided shelter.........its my bus shelter Pumpkin! :) Hows yours coming along??


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 7:14 AM

Badly. I now have two different suggested methods for making it in Wings - and guess what? I'm stuck on both. What a surprise! (<--- Intense sarcasm) Oh, and if anyone from wings forum sees this and thinks I'm being sarcastic about them - wrong! It's me, I'm thick! (sigh) (holds head in hands shedding tears as bitter and sharp as acid) You see, my bus shelter has no legs as yet and it's not hollow either - (wail!)

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 7:17 AM

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Oh, here's mine so far - pretty crappy though. But it does have the right number of segments, but that's about all you can say for it....

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 7:20 AM

Even my finial is too big...

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marcfx ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 9:32 AM

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Wow Fran, this is coming on lovely, at least you have the right amount unlike mine, just cant seem to get the right size/angle to fit 6 together.........more headaches! LOL. Finial would be easy to adjust wouldnt it? This was one i started just to get the right amount of segments but unable (for me) to make the roof properly, hence my other image........more work to do! :)


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 9:56 AM

Oh sure, easy enough for me - as I deliberately made my finial separately. I'm just feeling grumpy. Hey, let those arch shapes fall flat, stick a central pole in and support poles for the pale blue rods, and you'd have a dandy roundabout for the kids. gg Or stick some nice royal blue velvet (or red) under the blue rods and you'd have a very nice crown... hmmm...

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marcfx ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 12:06 PM

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LOL. Well, i can help you out with the carousel but not a decent bus stop!! :(


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 4:41 PM

LOLLOLLOLLOL! That's great, cheered me up no end!

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diolma ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:04 PM

Given the difficulty this seems to be giving everybody, I'm beginning to see why the bus shelters in the UK are considerably simpler...:-)) Cheers, Diolma (who has some possible suggestions, but can't find the words to express them. I've tried, but deleted the posts before they got posted, 'cos after I re-read them they didn't make sense to me...)



FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:20 PM ยท edited Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:22 PM

I'm firmly of the opinion that my dratted bus shelter needs lots and I mean LOTS of pictures, to explain it.

Of course in the real life world they just beat the heck out of a sheet of metal.

This is the weirdest bus shelter, but none of them in Oman are simple - most look like miniature castles. Actually if you look back at the threads on this, you'll see that everyone else seems to have had no difficulty in making one, it's just the problem of explaining to "El Thicko" here how to do it. Yours, El Thicko...

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marcfx ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:21 PM

@Fran Good ;) @Diolma LOL.........Good old side and top, always works doesnt it! LOL Go right ahead and comment please. nothing looks stranger than my comments anyway! He he he. :)


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:24 PM

marcfx, To get back to the origin of THIS thread, about your strange shape - what exactly is it? And why?

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marcfx ( ) posted Sun, 16 October 2005 at 5:35 PM

The pumpkin or the blueish sides and top railings?


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Mon, 17 October 2005 at 3:41 AM

Neither, I meant the little grey sliver left over from all the red arches in message 1 above.

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marcfx ( ) posted Mon, 17 October 2005 at 9:28 AM

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Hi Fran The strange shape was arches and the sliver was a section cut from it to make one side of the bus stop, then i was hoping in joining them together to make one arch, then duplicating them for the other 5 but it was getting to muddled with all the lines and took TheBrysters advice to make them a different way.........my pumpkin was the result but still short of another 2 sections ;( My body isnt working properly today so i will have to give it a rest for a while, but, I am determined to get it right somehow!! LOL.


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 4:24 AM

Oh, so that conglomeration of arches was the bus shelter right from the start? I see. I hadn't realised that... shame I was awaiting your esoteric explanation of the weird thing you were building with baited breath... and all along it was the bus shelter! LOL! Hey, if you just look at your arches, as arches, they would make the beginnings of a lovely crypt! How did you manage to get that nice edging for the separate stone slabs going up the outside edges of the arches? Lovely! Um... is it going to be a freebie? (hint hint) gg

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marcfx ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 6:49 AM ยท edited Tue, 18 October 2005 at 7:01 AM

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LOL. The arch was from Daz3D (Gothic Construction kit expansion by Stonemason) and as i said before, i tried to get one side to make the rest as it was the right shape, so I'm affraid no freebie :(

If, however, I finish this damn bus shelter, i will endever to put it in some freebie form. (Never done it before). ;-}

Hows yours coming along?

Hopefully, i will get back to mine tomorrow, damn arthritis in wet damp weather doesnt help much! :(

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 2:56 PM

Well I think I've already got the gothic thing, so that's okay (I think I had to actually fork out some money for that, but hey, you can't win all the time) gg I'd like to see you do it! (the bus shelter I mean) Well as for mine, I've sort of got something, but... I'm not totally happy with it - the ends of the legs are ... strange! So I'm still haunting people over in Wings forum. But in the mean time...

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 3:00 PM

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Not quite right yet, but it's something...

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.

Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

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http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com


FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 3:01 PM

Hey, no copping out now, I still want to see yours!

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.

Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

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http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com


marcfx ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 3:03 PM

"I'd like to see you do it! (the bus shelter I mean) " I thought I read.."In the bus shelter" then.......kinky thing you! LOL.......Brings back lost memories. he he he


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marcfx ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 3:07 PM

Wow Fran, thats some awesome modeling, well done. I wouldnt know where to start in Wings, very good end product.........I will still need a bit more time. Good job its not got a time limit!!! LOL.


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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 18 October 2005 at 3:57 PM

Lol, yeah, your turn!

Measure your mind's height
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Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com


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