Attached Link: http://www.maxwellrender.com/

I know there have been a few scant sentences about Maxwell making a Bryce plugin, but just to (I guess) officially notify the masses of the forum...

AgentSmith

Woooohoooo if ya got the ducats!!!

Hoozah ! WooHoo ! Hot Damn ! And some other explitives that will go unmentioned here.

Plug-ins for freeware renderers cannot be too far behind, I would hope.... AS

The only render engine that is slower (so far) than Bryce's (grin). It can do some wonderful things but it takes time. (based on discussions/results in the C4D forum/CGTalk Cinema forum).

Attached Link: Caustics

You guys actually Believe this...? The only way they can make a Plugin is by Decompiling the Bryce code...Which I think is slightly illegal unless DAZ has given them the SDK... I for one hope this is true..But very hard to Believe...For some reason another rendering Project comes to mind,And I think everybody reamed him a NEW ahole for even mentioning that one...

It's the only renderer slower than Bryce, too. :-)

I don't know...looks like there is a plan to me, maybe it's just on paper right now, but it looks like something is brewing over at the Maxwell House...

AS

Message edited on: 11/08/2005 02:29

Problem that springs to mind for me is cost, many brycers use it as it's cheap for it's abilities, how many are going to shell out $1000 (full release price) for a plugin to get a slower renderer? (even if it's output is fantastic)

How much??????? Yipes!

Yeah, I know, huh? But, like I said, a stepping stone (to greater and better things) AS

Hopefully, if its really released to Bryce, it will be far better to use than it is with Cinema4D. Its awkvard as hell to work with, and they will have to work a LOT with it, for me to think it was money well spent. :) On the other hand, the render part is easy to the extreme(and slow), and you can switch plugin to whatever program youre running. And it really can produce superb quality renders.

Hey, Rochr, IF you know 3rd party renderers at all, what would be your (or anyone elses) opinion on any decent freeware renderers that Bryce could be plugged into? (in the hopeful future) AS

In the future the openf/x might be one to consider, PoV might also be a good one.

AS#12 Yeah, but that's a heck of a lot of money for a lump of rock, especially when you don't even know if you want to cross the stream. And for the second stepping stone - I bet that ain't free - so they'll want even more money from you.

Ah, what I tried to mean was, at the very least SOMETHING was being done in the name of Bryce. And, hopefully I'm hoping we will see an opening up of Bryce 5.5/6.0 for WIDESPREAD plugin development. Whether that be for; External renderers Tree Lab vegetation add-ons Vegetaion wind animators Terrain Lab animatable ocean waves Meta Primitives Object Export Poly Editor Oh...do NOT get me started....;oD AS

Particles, Combustion, Hair/fur plugin for that poly editor.....

AS, Theres a lot of good freeware renderers, such as Yafray, 3Delight, Aqsis etc which can already render out scenes for numerous programs in the form of plugins. But for Bryce, i think the crucial part would be to have a renderer that is very easy to use. Right now, Maxwell isnt there just yet, but its still in the development stages. Once theyve cleaned up the software and its working as its supposed to, it will be almost as easy as rendering something in Bryce. Youll pretty much only need to select a physical sky, the timeframe you want, and press render.

Low Poly Modeler. Game Exports. Opening up Bryce would be a Very good thing for Plugin Developement.Just like they are doing for DS.

DAZ already used 3Delight in Studio, so I think it wouldn't need much to get a license to use it Bryce. Shader plugins.

I'm with foleypro on this: I find it hard to believe.

Interesting though, and I'm curious to see exactly HOW they interface this renderer with Bryce.

Len.

I believe it would be extremely folish from DAZs part, not to take advantage of this. That is, if they havent already made some deal with Next Limit. As for the interface, i can imagine it could work like the one in Cinema. Once youve built your scene, you access the renderer from the plugins menu, and it opens up in a new window. You select a camera, make your settings, and the renderer opens up another one, where you can see the render in progress.

Yup, Studio already uses 3Delight, I would think that would be a bit of a slam dunk for Daz to implement it for Bryce (or, at least to get the license to go ahead with it) We are so close to have Displacement maps in Bryce its killin' me... (Studio already supports 16-bit displacements) AS

I'll check out those external renderers, Rochr (Yafray, 3Delight, Aqsis) AS

AS... Yes DS supports displacements and I do have a feeling in the next upgrade to Bryce and of course will include this option and a NEW rendering engine...But of course nothing more can be said until Daz comes out and says it... This Maxwell renderer for a Grand is ridiculous who on the HOBBY or even the Beggining Professional could afford this...? Companies with Multi Million dollar Paychecks would buy but then again maybe they wont until Bryce is capable of using Plugins...Hopefully soon..I have a very DEEP GUT feeling that,That is being worked on right now. I wont buy Maxwell I just Plain cant afford it,There are many work arounds for getting the Most out of Bryce...Just as yourself AS and then ask Rochr if that isnt true to the word,I havent been Published like both of you and I am not even in the same class as you two so....SPEAK up guys...Would you buy this rendering engine or stick with the basic Bryce renderer...?

Would love for all the features AS and others mentioned to be incorporated into Bryce, including a renderer that supports displacement. Wouldn't AS and pidjy have fun with that?!! Wouldn't we all? I couldn't realistically afford a Maxwell plug-in at its current projected price.
@Brian-don't be so modest; you know you're a Bryce god in your own right,lol.

Oh, if they made a deal with Next Limit, then Real Flow, please... I swear I would learn it then. :-)

This thing looks impressive, but I'm wondering if maybe they've done a deal with DAZ. Maybe it's just produced by Maxwell for DAZ, allowing them to sell for a more realistic price - because I can't imagine many people willing to pay $500 for it.

I suppose people WILL buy it, but I don't think it'll be to the masses, not at that price.

@Rochr
I understood that Cinema4D thingummie, but Bryce isn't plug-in compatible, or even scriptable. How would they interface it with Bryce? ...can't wait to see how they interface this thing ;-)

Bryce has had a plug-in architecture since 3.0 - but nobody ever wrote anything new for it until DAZ did with the turbo importer. Internally Meta used it a lot. Look at all the things in Bryce5/plugins - right now they are used for bringing in models and exporting out various immage formats. I am always around and lurking - but I needed to chime in on this one. I am with AS - maybe it will make others use the open door thats been there a long time. And yeah Maxwell is high-end - they would need to somehow price it around the current price of the entire Bryce 5 app. Who knows they might just for volume sales. There are really a lot of Bryce users out there. Scott

LOL - I mean image - typing too fast.

Bryce is PLUGIN compatible... HELLLO DAz Studio is a Plugin...

Yes I think the last Poll was that Bryce was the Most used 3D software out there with a Basic user base of 750,000+ users. Of course when That was said Bryce 5.5 was still a dream.

HELLO - lol yeah ok!

Perhaps I should have been more specific - Bryce's renderer is not plug-in replaceable as far as I'm aware. If it is then that's cool.

Bloody hell, PR/PRX at about $40-$60 is starting to look very reasonable isn't it :-D

Perfectly intergrated with Bryce ('cos it IS Bryce), looks just as good as Maxwell render (minus the caustics).

BTW, is it true that Maxwell release this in a months time?
Drac just told me, but it was waaay past his bed time so - is that correct - just one month? Len. (GET THE BEST - PRX)

Really...?

Wow now that is what I call Keeping it NDA.

Message edited on: 11/08/2005 21:33

Not sure how late they are on the final cinema plugin release so take any dates with a HUGE grain of salt.

LOL Danamo...Only in my Minds Eye... Rock on Cranberries....

Yeah FoleyPro - Cranberries were a monster group when the plug-in architecture first came out for Bryce - hehe! They would probably bypass the texture editor entriely - that's what a lot of render plug-ins do. They would probably just let you use Bryce as the stage for your model and all the rest of the materials set up would be in Maxwell. Just a guess... Scott

"BTW, is it true that Maxwell release this in a months time?" Release what in a months time? A way to plugin with Bryce? Never know. I don't. I kinda doubt it, but...? AS

Great external renderers are expensive. Look at Brazil; $250-$1200 Final Render for C4D; $700 Would I give $500 for Maxwell if I could use it for Bryce? I, myself at this point would say that yes, I would eventually find a way to make the $500 purchase, as I have been making some money with my Bryce now. Otherwise...no, probably not. And, no, never at $1,000, no matter what. Sorry Maxwell. AS

Well...only if I was making enough money Brycing, that I didn't have to work my real job...then a $1,000 investment...gulp...would be a good idea. Hey, sometime in 2006, I guarantee you I WILL be spending around $500 on just RAM for my PC, so there ya go... AS

@AgentSmith

"Release what in a months time? A way to plugin with Bryce?"

Nah, I meant Maxwell for Bryce. I was talking to Drac yesterday, he mentioned how awesome it looked, so I suggested he should ask them if he could beta. Basically, I just got a "LOL - I doubt it, it's out in a month" - or something along those lines.

I dunno maybe I got it wrong, or like I said, it was waaay past his bed time so...

BTW, I've just upgraded this machine from 0.25-Gig to 1.25-Gig and for some reason, everyday Windows tasks seem slower than before, and any 3D-work just doesn't seem to have any better performance (just more RAM)...can't understand it.

Choked about that :-/

Len.

If the plugin for Bryce will come through, dont expect a release within at least 6 months or more. They still have a lot of work to do before Maxwell will behave as promised, for most of the programs. Foleypro, Well, i took a chance and bought Maxwell cheaper while it was still in the Alpha stage(which it still is as far as im concerned), but then im making money on my renders. If i were having this as an unpaid hobby alone, its doubtful that i would spend $1000 on a renderer. But then again, ive been stupid enough to spend $2500 on a car stereo once, so who knows... :) As for the quality, i can honestly say the i personally would not be able to achieve the same level of realism in an image with Bryce.

OMG Rochr - that's some car stereo! What is it a Yamaha, Quad, Bang&Olufsen or something?

/me puts stocking over my head, and looks-up Rochr's car registration and address ;-)

Len
(Yep, they're definately paying this guy too much)

"IF you know 3rd party renderers at all, what would be your (or anyone elses) opinion on any decent freeware renderers that Bryce could be plugged into? (in the hopeful future)" Most of the best freeware renderers were mentioned above, but if I were a regular Bryce user, I'd push for getting a plugin to the Vray engine. They've already made one for Truespace 7 I believe, and one is in the works for Maya (if it's not already released). It started as a 3dsmax plugin. The benefit here is that Vray, unlike Maxwell, is very very fast at rendering GI, and raytracing. It may not be as physically accurate, but the results are top-notch, with highly impressive rendertime benchmarks. Production proven, it's also very easy to use compared to most other renderers in it's class (Brazil, FinalRender, etc.). The price is reasonable too... $800 for full version, and there's a free version (which is minus SSS and some other things) as well.

$2,500 for a car stereo?! ..how fast does Bryce render in it? AS

Len, check Virtual memory. Try setting it as 1.5 times RAM for minimum and 3 times RAM as maximum value. $2500? My car wasn't worth that money!

Vray would be my first choice of renderer if it were available for programs other than Max. Ive both heard and seen enough about it to drool. :) Pumeco, Alpine system with 6 internal speakers and a 15" closed-air sub in the trunk. Most of it is sold now, but i really miss that system. :(

@Erlik

Hey thank's, I'll try that when I finish online tonight. I have tried messing with VM - in fact I have it switched-off altogether right now, which is why I can't understand why everythings so slow. It shouldn't touch the Page-File, but my god, you can hear the hard-disk grinding away as if there's no tomorrow! I'll try what you said, but if it doesn't work, it looks like another re-format - lol
(BTW, I think SP2 has a lot to answer for - performance wise).

@Rochr

"Most of it is sold now, but i really miss that system. :("

Yeah, I bet you do :-) But look on the bright-side, at least your ears won't bleed now that the sub's gone!

Len.
(I wasn't really gonna steal Rochr's fancy stereo)

Attached Link: http://www.jamiahamdard.ac.in/CWIS/Help/Top_10_tips_for_troubleshooting.htm

@Erlik

Thank's for the link, but I've kinda eliminated those causes from my suspects list already. However, I tried those settings you suggested, and I think there's an improvement! I'm still not satisfied with it though, and I still think SP2 has something to do with it as well.

About 2 months ago, I upgraded the system to have two removable drive-bays, and before I did that my system was like greased-lightening even without the extra RAM. But that was using SP1. So, I've decided to take advantage of the drives been removable, add another bay, and use SP1 on it for my Audio and 3D work (But no internet connection because SP1 ain't secure enough.) That way I can have secure internet on one drive with SP2, and the other drive for my work under SP1 for better performance. Only downside is I'm gonna have to sweet-talk Ableton and Yamaha into giving me yet another unlock-code for their software I use - lol

But thank's for that tip, I'll be sure to use it on the new installation :-)

Sorry, I'm going OT here...

AgentSmith, back to the Maxwell topic ...and... just incase you cough-up for it - and then decide you don't want it, I just want you to know that I'll be more than happy to give you $100 for it on the secondhand market :-D So, don't forget - I asked first!

Len.
(If I had $1000 to spare I would spend it on a new synth)
(One with loads of knobs, sliders, buttons and lights on it)