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Its all a matter of taste!!!!!

This is a discussion that surfaces about once a month, usually in the Complaint & Debate forum. I agree that nudite seems to be a bit too common, and there are a good number of over-sized breasts bouncing around the gallery. However, some people LIKE that, some actually LOOK like that (often after expensive surgery, and accompanied by severe back pain later in life...), and others use that style to emulate comic books and other graphic media that tends to depict women that way. It's unfortunate (IMO), but a lot of artists view that as pleasing or even ideal.

Some poor guys were bottle fed and it traumatized them for life.

I absolutely agree with PERVERS. Its JUST a matter of taste. Just because you dont like or dont understand something, it dont mean it aint no good, or its less "artistic" or something. Just a matter of taste. What is beautiful to you may no be beautiful to me.

Picasso

Absolutely, Helen, absolutely...

the simplest way to put this is "if you don't like, don't look".....it's normally not a good idea to try and dictate to an artist in matters of taste......no matter how politely you put it, you'll most likely offend someone at some point......some to different degrees than others......matters of art and taste are touchy ones, and one i prefer to avoid if at all possible.....i sincerely doubt that someone like WyrmMaster is going to tone down the size of his characters' breasts just because a handful of people don't think it's attractive....one thing you have to remember...not everyone in the community is interested in approaching reality.......like myself......if i were interested in that sort of thing, i'd take up photography.........if a small handful of like-minded people were to somehow manage to sway the entire community to one way of thinking about thier images.......let's say, no larger than medium breasts, no black clothing, no ponytails, and....hmm....no blood......what do you think will happen to the quality, variety, and frequency of posts to the galleries??????? leave matters of taste alone is the best advice i can give..........

and btw........when did Art ever equal Sense????????? that's another hour on the ol' Soapbox......best let it go..... ;)

oh I would add some more: Dali, Jim Warren, Valleyo, Royo, Sorayama, ... (I've got countless images of Art) It's all a matter of taste (not mine - but ... it's art - take it or leave it :o) )

I think the work is good. I think it shows tremendous talent. But goddammit I'm sick of it already. All of the shock-value and sexiness of any naked poser woman is now totally lossed on me becuase it's been done to friggin' death. I understand it's a matter of taste. That's fine. I like steak, but once I've had my 500th steak in one sitting, I start getting a little sick of it.

Art is more than just nudity. Poser can do more than just nudity. I'd really like to see what the tremendous artists around here could do if they put some clothes on their figures on a more regular basis.

Don't take a life drawing course, you'll probably get sick of having to draw nude models all the time too. I know I did, honestly. But that was because they were all the same model. Instead of looking at wether the models have clothes or don't try taking a look at why or why they do not have clothes. On thing that people tend to forget to mention that sometimes there are reasons behind what is looked upon as senseless nudity. Some of these reasons may be, but are not limited too: 1.) Testing new textures, or poses, both of which would be difficult to get an idea of were they fully clothes. 2.) Environment: Last time I checked, if you do a bathing scene, it is difficult to wash fully clothed. 3.) Character details: New body morphs were created or were tried for the first time, and since these morphs do not affect the clothes, the only way the moprhs could be observed is without clothing. 4.) They just like it. Personally, I like drawing women more than men, which means I like to model them more, as well. It doesn't mean I won't us men, but if I don't need to, then I probably won't.
There are lots of reasons for people using nudity, for once, we have a place where we don't have to worry about reality, and that is why we have art. Were everything based so strongly on having a realistic look, art never would have had it's evolution, and we would still be back at cave paintings. If you stop to think about it, it's always been art versus everyone, and now, we even have artists versus artists. Fine Artists versus Commercial Artists has been a war long raged, and it is a foolish, stupid war. The true artists in this gallery know that they hate being told what they may and may not do, as it takes away from their expressive freedom. At the same time, they have it in their minds that they can tell other artists what to do. That is as absurd as some of the complaints about other artwork in here. Henriqueagueria is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I hate the genre of art he does, but there is no denying that he does it EXTREMELY well. So while I can't really promote his work, he is a wonderful person, and is very talented, and I am more than willing to say that he is one of the best artists I've seen. I'm not sure I've got his name right, but you may know him anyway. Good luck on your arguement, and realize that your way is not the only way, and chances are, it may not even be the right way, as I have yet to see a "right way" for art. Next time you have a complaint, Sir Raven, think it through, and see if it's really worth mentioning. Even if the entire gallery told me to stop drawing women, I wouldn't, and I'm sure that most of the artists are like me. As a Renderosity member, and a poster of images, however, I appreciate your input ant we will see where it leads. Have a wonderful day.

I don't think anyone here actually has it in their minds that they can tell an artist what they can or cannot do. I'm not complaining about any particular work of art and I am certainly not complaining about any particular artist. I'm complaining about the trend. Since before Renderosity was Renderosity, there have been tons of images of nude women in the galleries around the online Poser community. It has become the norm...the status quo.

If the next fifty images submitted to the gallery here are of big breasted naked women, that won't bother me. I won't think any less of the artists who submitted them. Women are beautiful, women are sexy...woohoo, I get the point. I knew that before Poser was twinkle in Larry's eye. Someone please, please, please tell me something I don't know. It's not a demand, it's a request, it's a challenge. Who is up for it?

{But then there are the ones that have like triple-D cup!! No-one in the world has breasts that size. } Actually, my wife has a hard time finding ... garments.. that meet those requirements. Mind you, when we started dating she wasn't that large. But due to a accident making it where she can't really get around much anymore (without the wheelchair), she has put on some weight. And a lot was lazy and didn't bother to make it all the way to her hips. 42F.. damn! But to the point of the topic.. yeah.. as I've stated in another tread here. Nudity is fine, but lets be artistic about it.

Lets be "artistic"? WHAT does it mean exactly?

I checked the link, and didn't see NO big breasts?? You sure it's the right place, huh??.....confused (hehe)

Do I sense a little dissapointment here, Radart ;-)

{Lets be "artistic"? WHAT does it mean exactly?} Well, for the poser challenged, I guess this would mean. Toss in something else. Beds, chair, ANYTHING, but lets stop with the simple poser sitting on a flat background. There is no talent in that. Sure, you posed her. Ok, great, you can click a few dials and get her to touch herself. Oh, Im impressed. NOT. Here is something I would consider artistic. It shows that artist had some thought process behind this and not an erection.. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=40813&Start=49&Sectionid=0&WhatsNew=Yes Now that is just a quick fetch from todays uploads. This would be an example of the opposite. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=40786&Start=13&Sectionid=1&WhatsNew=Yes Now .. before I insult anyone in any way, shape or form. ANY render takes time. Any pose takes time. And its not something I take lightly, or do any of my poser figures which have been bent all out of shape while I attempt to learn. But at the same time, I blow past images like the latter .. with nothing left behind. No impression. No feelings invoked. Nothing. Like walking past a stranger in the mall vs. finding a long lost friend. Take a stroll through the poser gallery and see how many are simple poses with nothing else to offer. Youll see there are a lot of em. Now, again, in defense of the poser community here, there are also tons of images, which do inspire feelings and thought. And show the artist took his/her time and had an image in mind when they started. Thats all I meant by that. (knows hes gonna get flamed at least a little for this one.. oh well)

...a jest ;-)

I dont know what the word ART means for you. For me Its just a way to express yourself. Nothing more. How can anybody say what is artistic or what is not artistic? Just the artist himself. So this will always be just YOUR opinion. Nothing less nothing more. (Simple poser sitting on a flat background) - I guess you know who is Auguste Rodin, one of the greatest and most innovative sculptors of all time. You should take a look at the sketches (most of them VERY explicit nudes) he made. They fit EXACTLY with that description you wrote. Simple poses, flat backgrounds. Just a few lines. Just a few watercolor drops. Absolute masterful pieces. And dont forget about the 70s sketches of Picasso. The whole work of Egon Schiele. The great Leonardo da Vinci. Courbets "LOrigine du Monde". The pencil drawings of Balthus. All of them made hundreds of simple posed, flat grounded works or ART. The fact that those flat backgroud images dont invoke you any feelings, dont give you any impression doesnt mean they cant do it to other people. Then, you think "x" is not artistic, but another person may think it is. Who is right, you or them? It doesnt exist any parameters we can use to be able to say "this is art", "this is not art". It will always be JUST a personal opinion. Maybe that stranger in the mall is a long lost friend of mine... Aaarghhh! I know, I know, my english is awful and I cant always express myself the way Id like in that language :-(. But if some of you speaks spanish... ;-)

...all your boobs are belong to us! (so there, naaww!) ;-)

I live in Miami....Hey, I see triple d cups all the time...(Saving pennies for the surgery...doh.) We can't vote, but we sure have the market on hooters. I think the folks who are doing the really huge hooters are more into gaming art, than fine art...Just my take. Lara Craft, for instance. Poppi

Dangit Veth! I'm at work...if there's a bunch of text on the screen, people think I'm working. Throw a nudie pic on the screen and all of a sudden I'm walking out the door with a bankers box in my arms! (well, they would if anyone around here paid any attention to me.)

I live in Hollywood, CA. Here, people who only have tripple D cups get turned down for Television work until they get an upgrade. I see much worse on the billboards here than the most tasteless pics in the Rendo gallery.

There is a big difference between CREATING ART and BEING ARTISTIC, in my opinion. Art is undefineable. Anything that expresses emotion or evokes emotion is art. Pornography is art. Blah, blah, blah...everything is art. Being artistic is synonimous with being clever. Puppet animator Jiri Trnka was 'being artistic' when he made a short film called 'The Hand.' If he would have made an open statement about the Communist government he lived in, he would have been put in prison or worse. Instead he wrote an alegory about a giant Hand that keeps pushing people down. That's 'being artistic.' Posing and rendering a naked Posette or Vicky is not 'being artistic' on its own. It's still art, yes, but not artistic...

If it offends thee, use the no-nudes filter option

...yeah! Woohoo!!

....my scanned dog!

....soup too, and all her bases belong to me, naawww!! (I'm outta here.................................) :-0

NUDE or NOT NUDE...ART or ARTISTIC...CREATIVE or MUNDANE. Who cares!?!?!? Well, obviously some people do or this thread wouldn't exist (and yes it does pop up about every month or so). I've said my piece on this enough times that I'm not going to say it again. There's plenty of non-nude artwork in the galleries...take a walk thru them and you see. Use the "no nudity" button and you won't see the nudity. Now where was I...oh yeah...Vethril and RadArt: WOOOO HOOOO!!!!! HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA!!!!!

"I'd really like to see what the tremendous artists around here could do if they put some clothes on their figures on a more regular basis. " Check my gallery. I tend to consider it challenging to craft intersting or sensual imagery using some of the excellent freestuff conforming items we have here. No link, if you're interested... you can use the search feature. It's not just gaming art, although there is that trend there and in comics. Neal Adams, Frazetta, Rubin, and many others were doing dynamic and statuesque women long before poser came along. Or gaming. Where do you think the term "rubenesque" comes from? Luis Royo and others are a lot of the inspiration for artists like Wyrmmaster and myself who follow that school of expression. Real women don't have breasts like that? Bullshit. I've dated women in the 40DD category who never had implants. On the design of poser models, hey - you play with your breasts the way you like them, I'll play with mine the way I like them. If you're tired of seeing nudes, click the nudity filter. That's why a rcook spent weeks coding it ine, and why a lot of us spent weeks going through the gallery and classifying imagery. It's there to filter it out. Browsing from work? Er... unless your job actually pays you to browse art sites, in which case they probably aren't bent about a little nudity, shouldn't you be like, working instead?

Yeah, as a hardcore teeny tint tit freak I just gotta object to those huge hooters. There should be a law!

...by the end of the week someone will make a morph for this, hehehe........:-0

Ironbear, I checked your gallery and, well, I loved it. Especially 'Stepping Through....' Great work.

I'm not going to turn the nudity filter on. I'm not offended by the work, and I actually like most of it. I hope I made that clear. And I'm not saying that people aren't doing great things without nude figures. There is lots of it. I personally know where to look for it. I wonder if the people who are new to the community get to see it though...and I wonder if the predominance of nude images influences their work in any way. Maybe the limitations of Poser influence their work to a degree too. And it's to these people that I say, make the images that you want to make, challenge the supposed limitations of Poser and make the stuff we haven't seen before.

I guess the main reason I'm making this point, is that if people start doing more images with clothing, people will have to build more clothing models, and if they sell them or give them away for free...then hey, I got more to work with for my own creations.

You guessed it, I'm not righteous at all, just a selfish brat =)

did we open a big, squirmy can o' worms or WHAT???????

Thanks JKeller, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Even gladder that you like one of my personal favoites... I've always liked "Stepping Through". I'm going to have to let you in on a secret tho... I'm basically contrary. Since the trend seems to be nudes, I do clothed and fantasy. When the pendulum swings the other way and everyone starts doing figures with clothes... I'll do nudes just to be mean. ;]

I can certainly admire your being contrary.

{did we open a big, squirmy can o' worms or WHAT??????? } This can has never been closed. Just when we think we've found the lid, someone else comes and steals it away. The excessive use of nudity in the galleries CONSTANTLY prompts this kind of discussion, and, IMO, that's how it SHOULD be. Discussion. Not requests for banning, just people stating their opinions and then getting on with their lives.

Well said Charlie :) And Rad... LOL, you're too funny sometimes. ;D

::sniffle:: nobody said anything about nekkid michaels and dorks. only posettes. i don't get no disrespect around here!

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