I've converted M3 3piece suit jacket to Girl using wardrobe wizard. Everything with conversion worked fine like the rest of other clothings I've converted. But when I save this converted jacket to my figure library, and load the jacket back again, left side of the groupings (collar, shoulder, and forearm) becomes all corrupted!

The picture above, bottom is the jacket after the conversion before saving to the library, and top is the jacket that's been loaded from the library.

Actually, I am not sure if the corruption is the right word, because the grouping is altered in that exact same spot everytime I reload it. It doesn't matter if I use different ways to convert the jacket (welded, unwelded, grouped, ungrouped etc), they all have the same problem once it's save to the library.

Right after the conversion, I can do whatever I want to that jacket, like magnets, smooth, or joint editing, it doesn't cause that problem as long as I don't save to my library. But once I save it and bring it back out, it's right back to that mess. I tried my other computer to convert this jacket and saved it to different poser, but still the same. I can't figure this out because all my other clothings doesn't behave like this. Before I pull my hairs out completely, please someone help me!

The last time I had a problem like that, it was a problem with the joint parameters.

Did you fix the problem by any chance, and if yes, care to help this poor soul?

Just out of curiousity, if joint parmeter is the actual problem, how could it actually cause the groupings to be messed up like above?

I suspect an anomaly in the OBJ file but I'd need to see the files to be sure. The only other thing I can suggest is to reanalyse/reconvert immediatly after a fresh restart of Poser. After a long run the Poser memory can get "tired". But really I'd need to see the files.

Attached Link: http://www.philc.net/WW_tutorial1.htm

This tutorial should help you.

Ooops, never mind. I see Phil answered and had a different solution.

Message edited on: 12/13/2005 16:39

Actually, yes you could try converting with one of the Unregrouped options. Wouldn't explain why its happening but if it works would you need to know? :)

Thanks Acadia

I don't know if you were able to read my webmail or not but thanks again for your help Phil. Like you said, I guess there's some conflicts with how some clothes are saved. I just want to make it clear that the problem wasn't because of the wardrobe wizard. Matter of fact, WW did very good job of converting that M3 suit to fit Girl much better than I expected.

Thanks again!

Got the email thanks ---- in black AND white this time :))

Yes, strange one this. We took Wardrobe Wizard out of the mix and were able to create the same anomaly using just the grouping tool. I have to be honest and say I do not know what's causing it. I would stress that I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with the original M3 jacket. That is clearly working in the way it was originally intended. Its just that when we start beating upon it in Poser that oddities become apparent.

Are you using Poser 6? I have had a model (non WW) that, after rigging in the setup room would on saving, have corrupted groups. Only happened on the one model but it can happen. I ended up finishing it in ProPack which worked without problems.

One possible check here: export the mesh as a .obj file, set to save the grouping info, and have a look with UVmapper. If that file is OK you can save the jacket to the library (under a different name) and then replace the .obj file with the one you saved earlier. Either way, you're using Poser code to save the mesh, not WW. Isn't there a utility out there which can sort the polygon data to put all the polygons of a group together in the .obj file? I recall a thread here to the effect that group-fragmentation can slow loading. Could it be behind this problem as well? Another possible check, export the original jack as a .obj and see what that does. (Well, that's what I'd try.)

I think you're thinking of Spanki's Stomp. It won't do the trick here but there is a utility called Compose, mentioned in some of the morph tutorials at RDNA. I haven't got it installed at the moment but if I remember correctly, its a java program that will read the grouping of an obj and save it to a file. You can then import a morphed obj and apply the grouping from that file.

Yes, I am using Poser 6. I don't have propack with me but would using daz studid could be worth a try?

As for the Compose tool, I downloaded it off of link from PhilC's website. But from playing with it a little bit, I don't think it could fix that grouping problem because in poser, whatever obj file it reads off displays the same problem. I may be wrong on this because I am new to compose.

Sorry, I should have read your post more carefully. As you're converting from unimesh to Girl, the grouping between them will differ, so compose won't help with this one. I'm sorry to say that this does look like the P6 bug I found. I've only come accross one other instance of it besides yours and mine, so I would recommend contacting e-frontier about. They couldn't find the problem from my example alone but with other instances, they might be able to identify it. The man I was in contact about it was Colin Gerbode, so I would address it to him and refer to my instance as they have the files from that occasion (you'll need to quote my real name for that, Jerry Neill Furr). Without P5 or ProPack I think you're going to have to repeat the conversion as you need it.