Acadia, I prefer originals like Yoko to cookie-cutter. Of course, I like Diamanda Galas, so what the hell do I know...

Hello DigitalDreamer, Regarding Paypal and Ebay, I have been selling on Ebay since 1999. Yes you can buy porn there, however, it is in the back pages and you cannot pay with Paypal. Not for long anyway. They will cancel your account if caught. I sell video games such as PS2, Sega classics and PC. I had a PS2 game rated 17+ that I sold. The game was originally for sale at BestBuy to any age that had cash. The buyer paid with Paypal shortly after the auction, within hours Ebay cancelled the auction and notified the buyer that the auction was ended for containing adult themes. Buyer contacted me panicking that he had been ripped-off. I told him what happened and sent him the game. Shortly after that they threatened to cancel my Paypal account and I had to agree to a disclaimer to continue selling. The only time Ebay makes that move is when another member complains about your auction. What I showed in the auction was the same box displayed in stores. It had a stripper on the back cover showing a little cleavage. Nothing compared to what I saw up close and personal shopping at OfficeMax yesterday.

ya know... Earlier it was mentioned that the only reason so and so sells here is because here they'll sell 500 copies in a year while elsewhere it'll be 3. An exaggeration, yeah, but they were trying to make a point. Let me make one: Black and Decker sells 30% of its inventory through 1 retailer. The other 70% comes from a lot of other ones. THe one retailer gives them nothing other than shelf space. Many of the others give them shelf space, special featuring, and more. Black and Decker pulled out of that one retailer entirely. Sales only dropped 13%. And rebounded higher the following year. WHen customer's found out where they were. Hmmm. It's also mentioned how lots of people don't agree with the Store Admin team's decision regarding the anime figures. Strenagely enough, when I disagreed withthe store admin team about some things a few years back, I went off and started my own store. Gee -- it's paid for itself and been around for two years and we aren't half bad at all for a site with over 300 products and a hard working team of people. Heck, we're even interested in merchants ourselves, and have an applicationa nd all that cool stuff. And I'll betcha that customers would follow ya if ya went there. www.oddditty.com Or poser pros. Or Faerie wylde. Or Animotions. Or 3D Commune. Or Vanishing Point. Or Polymage. Or... You have more choices, more options, more places than just here. TO heckle Karen for being a messenger (she's only a tester, I note, and not part of the store team) is improper. She was not rude. She may have been a bit stand offish -- sorta like the messenger who notes the soldiers drawing their swords might be. She has, indeed, stated the facts of the matter. THis was announced a while back. They gave the people time. They followed through. Hell, I don't have access to the merchant forum (I'm an admin of a competing brokerage according to Renderosity's store team, and yet despite offering people more features than rosity, I'm not truly competing according to the owner of the company: Rosity logic) and I know that. I'm occasionally asked why I have no new products. Truth is, I have lots of new products. Just none here. And I'm quite happy with the way sales are going. Sixus1 completely pulled out of Renderosity -- they are still around, and doing quite well, I hear. So, Well, I'm sorry, folks. I can understand the frustration and anger of the lack of warning that Renderoisty provided to the customers. But the merchants had warning, and they all have had enough experience to know that dang, but you ain't gonna change their minds once they's decided. Half a store, all of a store, multiple stores. Oh, and it has diddly to do with paypal or the credit card companies. If it did, I surely wouldn't be using it. What it is is that renderosity is cut off from the people who don't know anything about Poser or 3d art becuase, gee, they are on more "porn" lists than anyone would ever dream of -- and almost entirely because of the whole boobies in the face thing. And in the US, being on a porn list means that public services -- libraries and schools, notably -- can't allow access to you if they recieve public funds. Sorta sucks, when the market is growing around you and you can't get a piece of the growth cause your suppliers are getting you cut off from the market. In any case... I don't think that they are underage. I don't allow nudity in the main images, either -- only pop ups. I also don't do a lot of things that are "common practice" -- all becuase I disagree with them. But disagreeing with someone doesn't mean they are wrong. It just means I disagree. Go on, have your September at Christmas time. (dang, Karen -- couldn't they have picked a better time to do this than the two weeks that everyone is doing something other than hanging out at rendo? LOL)

ynsaen: a very nicely written and factual message, and I agree with a lot of your points. I would also like to wish Karen and all the mods here a very happy New Year's, and they have been doing a fabulous job here on this site. It's no easy task.

I propose we stop this thread, please for now. And just let us give thanks we are alive and to celebrate the holiday with our loved ones and friends. It was indeed bad timing to bring all this up, and it's like a car dealership weeding out through the inventory, but I would rather continue this later in respect to the mods, their families, friends, and all of ours as well.

Karen, or whomever; can you please lock this thread as I started it, and I wish you and all the wonderful people who given so many countless hours to this forum thanks. Have a wonderful New Year and God bless you all for caring. Let's start a new year and grow together as a community!

Happy New Year and my very best!

-Shardz-

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Khai, /that/ was impolite.

ynsaen: a very nicely written and factual message, and I agree with a lot of your points. I would also like to wish Karen and all the mods here a very happy New Year's, and they have been doing a fabulous job here on this site. It's no easy task. I propose we stop this thread, please for now. And just let us give thanks we are alive and to celebrate the holiday with our loved ones and friends. It was indeed bad timing to bring all this up, and it's like a car dealership weeding out through the inventory, but I would rather continue this later in respect to the mods, their families, friends, and all of ours as well. Karen, or whomever; can you please lock this thread as I started it, and I wish you and all the wonderful people who given so many countless hours to this forum thanks. Have a wonderful New Year and God bless you all for caring. Let's start a new year and grow together as a community! Happy New Year and my very best! -Shardz- Message edited on: 12/31/2005 02:18

Quote - Let's start a new year and grow together as a community!

Amen to that! :) Message edited on: 12/31/2005 02:25

And let the boobs grow too!

1. Re: Banned Merchants? Deleted Galleries? Agonizingly Slow Site? Yep! by karen1573 on 12/30/05 16:25 Oo thanks Starkdog, guess we forgot the Poser native people. So you better put that product on hold ;-) Khai - Miki is on the list as considered appearing too young to appear nude in MP promos. You may consider that Vicky looks the same age, but the Admin team don't. Cobaltdream, right, I see what you mean. If it's really important to you to see the nipples and genital area prior to purchase, you could always contact the merchant to ask if they have full-body promos available, or just stick with trusted merchants as you said you do at Daz. Hope this helps Karen :-) 72. Re: Banned Merchants? Deleted Galleries? Agonizingly Slow Site? Yep! by Khai on 12/30/05 16:28 "Khai - Miki is on the list as considered appearing too young to appear nude in MP promos. You may consider that Vicky looks the same age, but the Admin team don't." sorry. not an answer. critera please. and I am not the only person that questions the judgement on this figure. ps. lose the snotty attitude please. 73. Re: Banned Merchants? Deleted Galleries? Agonizingly Slow Site? Yep! by karen1573 on 12/30/05 16:35 Hi Khai! Sorry if you feel my attitude was snotty. I prefer to think of it as factual. Would adding some more smilies help? You want the criteria? You would have to ask Admin, I don't know that. store@renderosity.com Hope this helps. Karen *********************************************************** hmmmm. yep, we disagree on what rudeness is. Good to see we're still getting along :D a happy new year's to all, and to all a good night!

Quote - Rowan? sorry old chap, but that was only meant for 1 person, ynsaen.

Then perhaps you should have sent it to that person in PM so it was "for their eyes only"? Message edited on: 12/31/2005 03:06

Miki underage? OK, well we now have official confirmation that the idiots are NOT running the asylum because that goes beyond mere lunacy. Now we are in the realm of the late Vincent "the Chin" Gigante, where the depraved mimic the insane in an attempt at gaining respect. Whatever, their site, their rules, yada, yada... Why the feckless incrementalism though? If the ultimate goal is to create a site that the Christian Coalition will approve of, a sanitized, Giulianized, soulless cash cow of a strip mall for all those federally funded library browsers who want to brave the FBI taps to spend their cash here...Why the half-measures? Why pretend that "art" has anything to do with anything or that "community" is anything more than a convenient purchasing demographic? Why try to eke out the last little measure of income from all the seamy dross holding you back from the promised land of overflowing PayPal coffers, and squeaky clean families with 2.5 children just waiting to melt their plastic here once the titties are well and truly banished to the outer darkness? Make up your minds and stop this inane and irritating fence straddling. As a wise man once said, the only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe and dead armadillos.

I think it's just easier to quit... I'm sorry fo going against the flow. I'll shut up and be a good little doormat from now on. just don't complain in the future. becuase I will come along and say 'Told you so'....

Khai, why not just wait and see what happens? By then things will have settled down, changes will have been made. Then decide if it's a bad thing and voice your opinion if you still feel the same way. Sometimes change is a good thing. We may not always like it, and some of us are down right resistant to it, but sometimes it's a good thing. Give it some time and see :)

Renderosity is extremely fortunate that it is an American and not European company. With Miki clearly being an adult yet banned as, in someone's opinion, being underage for nude apearances, yet V3 being clearly adult adn not banned, Rosity would face a huge racial discrimination case in Europe on the grounds that they are not treating 2 different racial groups equally. Incidentally, I have come across no eprson of Asian origin who considers Miki to be any othar than an adult. Perhaps before taking such a patronising approach, Rosity should consult the ethnic group concerned. And in European Law, whether it is deliberate racism or ignorance of racial differences make no difference. And if a merchant could show that their sales had suffered as a result of the ill-informed ban, Rosity would also be liable for loss fo earning and/or restraint of trade. Law aside, it shows that as far as Rosity admin is concerned, age is dictated by the size of a woman's breasts.

DigitalDreamer,

Which cracks me up, because I had trouble finding brassieres in my size when I was sixteen. (And I'm /so/ not a chap - just in case this post left /any/ doubts.)

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Well, folks, I know we all love a great discussion, but, as the author of the thread, Shardz has requested it locked. Happy New Year! Morriganshadow Poser Moderator