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Subject: Which Poser? 4, 5 or 6
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GoTo link on their product page there is a chart that compare PoserArtist (P4), P5 and P6 my opinion, P6 is Definitely the way to goYou might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech
what does it add, over 4 or 5?
Better control over shading and smoothing inside Poser, via smoothing groups and crease angles.
Minor improvements to the cloth room (speed, mostly).
New shader nodes and material options, including the ability to save and use the P6 equivalent of MAT poses.
Expanded Python scripting support.
Shadow-catcher option, for rendering characters against 2D backgrounds.
Point lights. Negative (dark) lights. Image-based lighting. Ambient occlusion.
OpenGL hardware acceleration and other enhancements to the real-time preview (including transparency).
Area-render function.
Message edited on: 01/05/2006 21:07
I'm new to Poser 6, but here are some of my likes and dislikes for each one:
Poser 5:
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Like the material room interface
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Like the Rendering Options interface
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Like the way premade lights preview in the pose room
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Don't like having to have to edit files in order to increase number of thumbnails viewed
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Don't like not being able to render a whole scene
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Don't like not being able to render in cartoon or sketch
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Don't like not being able to use the cloth room to work with conforming clothing as dynamic
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Don't like the cancelling function. Usually have to CTRL ALT DEL
Poser 6:
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Like not having to edit files in order to increase number of thumbnails viewed
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Like that you can render in sections
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Like the quicker cancelling ability.
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Like being able to take conforming clothes into the cloth room and make parts dynamic (without having to try and edit files). - Like the ability to render in sections.
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HATE the OpenGL and the way premade lights preview in the pose room.
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HATE the render options. I still haven't figured out how to render a thumbnail image for the library. In poser 5 all I did was select Poser 4, and set the size to 91x91.
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HATE that you can't render a draft image WITH shadows or whatever else you want in it.
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HATE the change to the material room interface.
That's as much as I've covered in my week of using Poser 6.
Message edited on: 01/05/2006 23:13
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Thanks. I'll do that. I didn't know you could. At any rate, I don't like the way it is at the moment and do find it very limited in how I can render.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I THOUGHT I would need BOTH Poser Artist (P4) and Poser 6, but I am so well-jived with my Poser 6 now that I only need Poser Artist for those annoying BUM conversions which my older content calls for. Also, leaving my Poser Artist on my hard disk is a psychological crutch for me ! Ah-ha.
Eternal Hobbyist
Thanks :) I was just coming back to post asking about this manual settings. However, I don't see anything in there about draft vs production render.
In poser 5 I could check off either Draft or Production. How do you do a draft render WITH shadows in Poser 6?
Message edited on: 01/06/2006 04:27
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I don't have Poser 6 but in every post I've seen regarding it everyone says that the render times are "slower than" in earlier Poser 5. IMHO, I don't think the small changes made in Poser 6 would have warranted its release. It strikes me more as being Poser version 5.5. I'll wait for Poser 7, whenever that comes.
In poser 5 I could check off either Draft or Production. How do you do a draft render WITH shadows in Poser 6?
Switch to Auto Settings, select Draft, go to Manual Settings, hit the "Acquire from Auto" button, check "Cast shadows" to the left of the button you just pressed. Now further down click "Save preset" and save that as "Draft".
Do the same for any settings you like and then access them by clicking "Load preset". >IMHO, I don't think the small changes made in Poser 6 would have warranted its release. [...] I'll wait for Poser 7, whenever that comes. Well, guess everyone who saved lots of hours with Poser 6 is thankful for not having to wait some more years till a version comes out that in your opinion qualify to be released... But of course, someone who doesn't own P6 may not see that.
Message edited on: 01/06/2006 05:39
There is no reason not to have Poser6 unless you have no need for Poser. It is the current version.
There is so much in Poser6. Chuck full of improvemnets, many under the hood. I think a lot goes unappreciated because peole don't have or haven't learned Poser6. Sadly I think too many are loosing/not developing their poser skills as a result of not keeping up with current Poser, which is so cheap (no hardship stories plz).
If you don't get Poser6, for whatever reason, definately get Poser7. I beleive PoserArtist will be discontinued by then completely anyway. So previous versions will be moot.
Message edited on: 01/06/2006 06:14
-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
Quote - render times are "slower
Actually, my render times have reduced drastically. I just rerendered something that I had rendered a few months ago. Same lights, same figure, same textures... same everything. The only difference is the version of Poser used. It took 1/2 the time in Poser 6 as it did in Poser 6. I remember it taking 20 minutes before, and less than 10 minutes now.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I'm moving on with Poser 6. The plug in that I'm currently writing will be designed for it. Where the functionality does not exist in earlier versions I will be making a reasonable attempt to create a work around. If this is not possible without a lot of extra work you'll simply get a message indicating that the feature is not supported in earlier versions. Generally this will be no big deal, input message boxes etc, but things like auto creating full body morphs can only be handled in Poser 6.
Quote - Switch to Auto Settings, select Draft, go to Manual Settings, hit the "Acquire from Auto" button, check "Cast shadows" to the left of the button you just pressed. Now further down click "Save preset" and save that as "Draft". Do the same for any settings you like and then access them by clicking "Load preset".
Thanks! :) I had tried that preset before but I must have done it wrong because nothing saved. I like the idea of having presets to pick from. Saves having to make sure that boxes are checked. I can't remember how many times I had to stop a render because I forgot to check of raytracing or set the background to black. As I go I'm learning little bit more about Poser 6, and once I get the light thing sorted out, I think I'll be very happy with it. I know I'm thrilled with the cloth room!!!!!!!!! Last spring I never dreamed I'd be saying that about any room in Poser, hehe
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
In Poser 5 I always used those "rings" to move body parts. I found it easier for me than using the parameter dials. I could and still can relate better to seeing a circle and figuring out what direction I want to move in, instead of trying to figure out XYZ dials, lol
Message edited on: 01/06/2006 06:32
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I must say that I am very tired of merchants and artists designing for Poser 4. This community has been far too complacent in coddling the Poser 4 users, letting them control the standards well past their time. If people want to use Poser 4, fine, but let them do the adjusting, not the Poser 6 people who paid for the software and hardware upgrades. Having to upgrade most of the stuff I buy or download to Poser 6 standards simply because the designers don't want to handle the learning curve or lose a few clients or replace a ten year old processor is a crock in my book. Everyone using Poser should be using Poser 6. It's that much better. Period. Let Poser 4 die like the decrepit dinosaur it is.
Quote - If people want to use Poser 4, fine, but let them do the adjusting, not the Poser 6 people who paid for the software and hardware upgrades.
Familiar is comfortable and many find that they don't like to stray from their comfort zones. I'm one of them, especially when it comes to computer programs. I find it so hard to learn computer related stuff (twice or even three times as long as most people), that I cringe when I get something new. I didn't even open my laptop for almost 3 months after getting it, and I tried it once and packed it up again. In the course of a year I used it 3 times for maybe an hour total, LOL By the time I got accustomed to it, it was already way obsolete. Also, sometimes its not a matter of "wanting" as is about money. Many of us do this as a hobby and don't have all the extra money to spend on upgrading software... or hardware for that matter. It's all well and good to say " but let them do the adjusting, not the Poser 6 people who paid for the software and hardware upgrades.", but then again, wouldn't that be people with deep pockets setting and controlling the standards?
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
And what are Poser 4 people going to do when Poser 7 comes out, then Poser 8, then Poser 8? The digital world is a fast paced and extremely demanding lifestyle, and if you don't keep up, you get left behind. It's sad to say, but it is very true. Trying to stay put with a single version of software is like stopping in the middle of the freeway in rush hour, especially if you are generating content for others to use. And don't get me wrong, because I go back to Poser 1.0, and I have many fond memories of each of the versions. But comfort is something you can't afford in a constantly advancing standard. Comfort is fine if you don't mind being out of date, and I have nothing against people doing just that, as long as they aren't generating products that they want me to use in the latest version. I no longer buy products designed for Poser 4, because it eats up too much of my time optimizing them for use in Poser 6. If I see "for Poser 4+", I pass it on by like it's contageous, no matter how appealing I may find it. It just eats up too much of my time to optimize it properly.
And besides, there are already terrabytes of stuff for Poser 4. How much do Poser 4 users need? If they truly need more, they should see a psychiatrist for obsessive behavior. Poser 6 optimized stuff is a drop in the bucket by comparison. (Typo in above post. The first sentence should have ended "then Poser 9?")
I agree that there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. I don't think 2 versions behind is all that much. When Poser comes out with a newer version 7, then they should offer incentives and huge discounts so that people can at least upgrade to the next version up from theirs, so that way support continues for Versions 5 to 7 inclusive.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Don't get me wrong about people using Poser 4. I have nothing against people using Poser 4, Poser Artist, or ProPack. Those who like it are more than welcome to use it to their heart's desire for as long as they wish, and they have my kindest blessings in doing so. As I said, there are many thousands (hundreds of thousands) of items that already exist for for Poser 4, far more than any one person could reasonably store on a single computer or use in a life time. Anyone who decides to stick with Poser 4 should have no problem finding what they want to use in renderings. My problem is using Poser 4 as the current standard for production of items to sell in stores. There is a huge need for Poser 6 optimized content that is largely going ignored because the merchants are afraid or too lazy to let go of the Poser 4 market, one that is already hopelessly saturated with content. In essence, the refusal to lay Poser 4 to rest as the production standard is punishing those who are using Poser 6, forcing them to create extra items to optimize the content, such as displacement maps, materials with translucence, scenes with IBR/AO, and on and on and on. It takes a lot of time and effort to upgrade a Poser 4 item to work its best in Poser 6, and each Poser 6 user has to perform these chores to make the most out of them. You have no idea how hungry Poser 6 users are for true quality Poser 6 optimized content. And many are getting a little resentful at being held back by a standard that is over eight years old, which is an eternity in the digital world. So please don't take my staements the wrong way and think that I am anti-Poser 4. I'm not. I've just moved on to something far better, and I want content to match without having to spend three times the time optimizing it than I would in production if it were already optimized.
I sometimes think they could release Poser7 in March, P8 in June, P9 in September and then ring in the holidays with P10 and each time people would scramble to buy so they could remain on the cutting edge of technology. Many corporate entities already keep their shareholders happy (and their consumers duped) with just this kind of "gotta-have-it" strategy. Sorry, but I'll wait until "significant" improvements are introduced before I upgrade software, regardless of cost. I'd rather spend my time CREATING (which is the reason most of us do this) then READING unreadable manuals to learn new ways of doing the same old thing. I've seen great images created in all versions of Poser, which is kinda the goal behind even using this software. Just my opinion.
If E-F would make the Poser 5, or 6 compatible with Lightwave (they said they were going to on P5) I'd upgrade. However, they haven't. I can't afford to upgrade Poser and buy (and learn) a new high-end 3D package. I love animating people in Poser, but I need to be able to animate other things as well.
Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/
Someone had to say it. I have P5 still in it's wrapper waiting for the "soon to be released" plugin for Lightwave. Glad I wasn't holding my breath. I'd get P6 in a heartbeat were it not for the fact that that it doesn't play with my 3d app of choice. P4PPack does, which is why for me it offers more than any other version does, or is likely to unfortunately.
With the passing of years -- it's inevitable that P4 will eventually fade away.
P4 was a great thing in its time. So was the Model T. Remember them both fondly. But the past isn't a good place for anyone to try to live.
Eventually: either you move on, or else you get left behind.
I've never understood the rabid insistence that some have for holding onto P4. There are still some residual bad feelings left over from the initial P5 release......I suppose.
Get P6. It's the only way to go. Until P7 comes out, that is.
Just curious.... Who made the announcement of the LW plugin? Was it Curious Labs or E-Frontier? If it was the former, then the ownership change may have altered those plans. LW9 looks cool (I look, butI have no $$$$). Perhaps they are trying to figure out which version to support.
"Few are agreeable in conversation, because each thinks more of what he intends to say than that of what others are saying, and listens no more when he himself has a chance to speak." - Francois de la Rochefoucauld
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Poser 12: Inches (Poser(PC) user since 1 and the floppies/manual to prove it!)
Then why is Poser Artist (Poser4) still being sold as a current product?
I assume for the same reason that AutoDesk sells both full-blown Architectural Desktop 2006 AutoCAD, and AutoCAD LT: so as to offer a lower-priced "light" version of the software to those that want it.
Also: there is still a market out there for P4 -- albeit a gradually shrinking one. But so long as a market exists, then EF will no doubt be happy to sell things to that market. Until the time comes -- and it WILL come -- when the size of the P4-oriented market shrinks to the point that it's no longer profitable to cater to it. Then P4 will finally be put out to pasture. Message edited on: 01/06/2006 12:15
Well gosh -- it'll happen when it happens.
BTW -- want to buy a motherboard from my old 486 machine......?
Oops. Never mind. I threw it away several years ago.
Curious Labs stated it was working on the LW plug-in. when P5 came out. I had the money for the upgrade, but I waited. I haven't heard anything from E-F about Lightwave support. If there is no Lightwave support then I'll await the ability to pay for a Poser upgrade and another software. Wolf359 is getting great results with Cararra so I'm keeping an eye out for that. I'll also test the Shade demo for myself when the time comes. Regardless, I'll still end up paying a lot more money and have 2 heavy learning curves to deal with. I don't have any hard feelings against E-F (I understand that business is business) but I'm dissappointed. They're business needs simply delayed (for several years) the profit they could have made from me. Such is life...
Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/
That's to bad cause I might have bought it. Yeah, I know.
I wish that I still had my old comic books. I might be able to retire early if I did.
Better hang on to my copy of P2.......not to mention P4. I might be able to sell them both for a fortune in another year or two. Message edited on: 01/06/2006 12:37
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I have used 4 and 5. I have not yet used 6. is 6 any good? what does it add, over 4 or 5?