I don't really like it. This site is so slow that having to click a bunch of thumbnails to see the promo images is a real pain. I also miss the prview thums of other items in the merchants store on the left side. The "Add to Cart" or "Add to Wish List" buttons are not buttons, they are text, and difficult to locate. It looks too much like the format that RDNA uses, which is a format that I have never really liked. Of all the MPs for poser, I've always like the one here because of how it previewed the items on each item. I also don't like having to login separately to the MP and the Forums. Call me lazy, but when I login to a site, I expect to be able to conduct all of my business on that site using that one login. One thing I do like is the menu that now shows on the left side for customer support etc. However, that could have still be added without totally changing the way the entire MP functions and looks. I'd rater have the old look of the MP back.

ooops, yeah, I wanted to mention the "no reviews/feedback". I base many of my purchases on what I see posted by others... not always, but it sure helps.

I don't like it either....can't see what's on sale, no prices next to the items, and if it's like RDNA, if you change your mind after putting an item in your cart, it gets deleted instead of going back to the wishlist... Edited to clarify that I meant in the wishlist.

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I think they already had the best store layout I've seen on on the Net. I don't know why they are changing it. Why mess with perfection.

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edit above "People who bought this"... instead of "Other Items by..." Although, they may both be in line for conversion.

I'm old and don't like change for change sake. I also don't like complaining about new features before I've had time to try and get used to them. But... I can't recall seeing any complaints about the function of the old MP and IMHO, there were many more aspects of this site which needed changing before the MP got a new look - it always worked exceptionally well for me. Don't get me started on the Galleries or Search engine!) I particularly don't like the LHS menu - I have a RHS menu preference stored in my member options which I use for the whole site and now I have to whizz my old eyes back and forward to see where I'm going ;)

I'm also finding that any links in the forums that were posted to items in the MP no longer work. That's a PITA too :( There wasn't anything wrong with the way the MP was before. I want it back :(

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I don't like it either. It worked okay before. Now it looks like a cross between PoserPros and Daz, with all the disadvantages of both. And it looks cluttered and so old-fashioned! Presumably the problems with bad HTML and links that aren't there any more (for example, the banner logo on the top left should link back to the site front page) will be fixed. But it still doesn't look very nice IMO.

I don't like it already. Simply because the reason I LOVED the Renderosity market place is gone... The future that told you that you may have already purchased an item. I buy a LOT and sometimes do forget if I have purchased an item already.

I won't get started on the rest. There was very little wrong with the MP in the first place. I never had any trouble shopping, checking out or finding what I wanted before. In fact this was my favorite place to shop. Why mess up a good thing. pouts

Well I've seen worse.
But I won't buy anything for a while... I rather let someone else run into the bugs.

WIth this new setup, I don't think one can tell which one of their wishlist items is on sale without tediously clicking on each individual item's link. With the old setup, a blue "SALE" sign popped up next to each on sale item on the wishlist. For people like myself who put items on my wishlist and wait for them to go on sale before purchasing them, the new layout is a disaster.

Yyeeeurrgghhhh!

I really seriously dislike this!

Looks like we have stepped back a decade, five years at least :0(

Lost all sorts of functionality.

I like to know which items are on sale and until when, so I can plan my purchases accordingly.

Prices in the prices in the wishlist have gone totally :0((

Bring back the old one, if it isn't too late!!! Used to buy every couple of weeks.....Won't be shopping here again until it is sorted :0(

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"I'm also finding that any links in the forums that were posted to items in the MP no longer work."

At least the product numbers are the same, so it's just a matter of replacing the first bit of the URL.

Hopefully, when the forums are converted, all the links to market place items and other posts will get fixed up to match the new software.

I agree with you ju8nkm9l, also i don't like that i can't see the price of the product and the name of the merchant on my wishlist.
The search function is still bad, as an example.. try searching for the word Vali (a merchant), the result is one page only of products, some are not her products but are related, this vendor has at least 3 pages of products.

I dislike the double logon, and a with a few lines of code this isn't really a necessary evil.

I can't tell if the product is on sale or not (already mentioned here), this is another dislike.

Finally, and because the rant is going long :-)) i sincerely hope the feedback is added to the product description as it was before, this was very helpful to me in previous purchases, and i'm certain i'm not the only one feeling the same.

They say change is progress, but in this case change was bad (so far), in my opinion.

Here are some comments for the admins as suggestions to improve what I think is the rather poor design of the new Marketplace (IMO). I offer these in a constructive sense rather than just as criticism; no doubt there are many other ideas people have that are better than mine.

1. The page appears to be fixed-width. As a result it looks different from the rest of the site. This shouldn't be necessary - you can make this expand/contract to fit the screen size.

2. There is a nice logo on the top left but it should by convention link to the site home page. I expect this an inadvertent omission rather than deliberate design.

3. There is a banner to the right of the logo which is not the same height and as a result the page looks (to me, anyway) odd and unbalanced. If you must have a banner it should be in keeping with the rest of the page top. Be nice if it had rounded corners to match the logo, as well.

4. Do I need to know how many members are online? No, I don't.

5. The button bar below the banner is fine, except that it doesn't stretch the whole width of the page section which contains the thumbnails; so there is an odd 5-10 pixel gap either side of the button bar, which looks really poor. (I'm using Mozilla 1.7 BTW. Maybe it's different in IE?)

6. There is a Search button and also a Search text box. In fact, both do the same thing, but if you click the Search button it takes you to another page to do it! Unless you're planning to use the separate Search page eventually to design an expanded search facility, who needs both?

7. Aarrrrgh! Why the dreadful default HTML buttons next to the search box and two drop-downs? You use graphic buttons just above these - why not do the same here?

8. Then there's another two what are, in effect, button bars, but not graphical - this time all text but with different designs for each bar! For decent appearance, consistency is vital. Small, well-designed graphical buttons would look so much better and surely there's no need to worry about the extra bandwidth on a site of this kind?

9. Product thumbnails are of different sizes. I mean, come on.

10. Why is is necessary to have that tedious row of pages 1 to infinity repeated on the top and bottom of the page?

11. Just above the tedious row of pages there's a link named 'Top'. It takes you to the top of the page. Um, we are already at the top of the page, unless someone uses a screen size of about 100 pixels high... seriously, this is just a wasted line.

I could go on, but if you could fix these issues it would look a whole lot better. Maybe this is a just a temporary design to check functionality - I hope so, because although this is not a site devoted to web design, it really should have a slick, attractive (I might say beautiful) interface if it is going to attract people to it.

I really liked the old version. For many reasons. Things that have gone MIA: Wishlist and Cart can no longer be seen simultaneously - Wishlist is TWO clicks away now. Wishlist used to show name of merchant. I really miss that. And what happened to pricing and sale info?????? And I most DEFINITELY want the menus on the right. This is the kind of thing that makes me buy LESS, not more. Which is probably a good thing. :] Fish

I assume the change was for economic or technical reasons. I used to sort stuff by moving it between wishlist and public wishlist. Having the prices listed in my wishlist was an essential pert of shopping for me... I know I can work around it by looking up the price of each item (which I wish was at the top of the item page) but ugh! I really really wanted a boolean search given the size of the store !!! Is the advanced search coming back? Can a Google search of the site be set up? Can I do this from the Google advanced search by giving a domain filter? I wonder. I wish I could filter my searches so I could say look at hair mesh and not have to sort through hair textures and pose pre-sets to find them. I have actually given up on shopping for hair. In conclusion - what I want? 1. prices on wishlist. 2. prices at top of product page. 3. boolean search 4. stand-alone vs. expansion/add-on filter

I sure hope they fix the wishlists. I always check my wishlist first, to see what's on sale. Or I used to, anyway...

I don't know why they changed the thumbnails, either. I liked the way it worked before. Having to go "back to product page" after viewing the item (if you want to read the description, or add it to your cart or wishlist) seems like a pointless extra step.

It is nice to have a big preview image first, with no need to scroll down to it.

poersonally i hate it with a passion, i want the old one back it a pita to navigate and i have been trying for 3 hours to d/l a product i cannot get . grrrrrrrr really unhappy camper here and its made the entire site slow and it was slow before. < for me anyway>

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I haven't really had time to study the new pages, but the one thing that jumps out at me is the omission of the product review. In several instances the product review is what helped me determine if I really wanted an item or not. The reviews should definately be brought back.

I'm all for giving something new a chance to get on its feet but the look of the New 'Renderosity' is a poor show. Its as though the website layout has been done by a first year student with not too much creative artistic talent and who is at university studying for a Masters degree in Computer Science and being asked to do creative media. Why don't they call in a professional to sort things out. No Pro is designing this site its dull, out of date and sooooo slow.

I'm totally dissatisfied with the new MP, both as a customer and as a merchant. I find it VERY impractical, poorly layed out and plain ugly. Sorry if I have to offer only one constructive criticism, but I had an heavy working day and I'm tired - so here it is: "Go back to the older one". I hope this will not be the final straw to persuade me to leave the MP with the few things that I have to offer - I had enough of negative policy changes in the last months...

An example of change for changes sake. I never had any problems with the old marketplace. Not having the items on sale on my wishlist is a major failing in my opinion. What is so new and fantastic about this new marketplace that warranted the change? Like Klutz I'll be waiting for the bugs to be ironed out before I buy anything.

I personally dislike it very very very much. It makes no sence to me. I agree that change for change's sake is ridiculous. I can recall NO ONE complaining about the marketplace. I can recall LOTS of people complaining about the gallery sluggishness. So the galleries are left a morass and the marketplace that everyone was comfortable and famaliar with is now completely hosed in appearance and doesnt even enjoy full function. I just dont see why well enough wasnt left the hell alone and the obvious prob - the galleries - gets addressed. Yeah there is a huge problem in the marketplace, but its not its GUI, its all the products that are gone because of the revamping of promo shot rules and the mess that followed. Logan

I agree with much that has been said here and also voiced my concerns in the Community Forum "What Happened" thread. I encourage others to do so as well. Hopefully the powers that be will better see our opinions and make some changes if they see how unhappy most are with the new layout.

I hate it!!!!!!!! It used to be easy to shop and now it sucks! The whole site needs work. I am sick of all the MySQL errors and how slow the site is. Today I could not even access my own gallery - much less other people's. I get server timeouts. Just because I loved RR so much it figures they had to screw it up. ARghhhhhhhh!

Following Ariannah's suggestion. I posted a link on that thread back to this thread suggesting that the Admins take a look. :0/

I can't say I like this either. In my opinion the "old store" was perfect, and now I think it is really frustrating. And my shopping cart..Purcased items, in that list I really have problems. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but before my purchased items was sort after date, so I could go back when I was looking for a product that I knew I had bought some time ago, or just some days ago. I have bought a lot of items, and now they are sorted around by some in june..the next one that appears in january, and so on. I used to use a LOT of time to credit the right merchant by locate the item in my purchases, but now I may stop credit at all, I don't want to sit all day to locate the items in my purchase history. I am pretty sure that it showed 487 items yesterday, now it shows 464. I can see now that it seems like it is sorted by alphabet, but still I liked it much better the way it was. And I liked it much better when it looked bigger. The Marketplace itself reminds me of a combination of RDNA and poserpros, and I don't like it. Now it will be the same for me if I purchase an item from poserpros or RS.

AND..I have to agree with dreifterlee, the site is SO slow,it takes minutes for a picture to show up (I have a fast internet connection), and those errors..I hate them!

I hate it so much I'm not shopping here any more!!!!!!

I agree with everyone.. go back to the way it was. I really dislike the "new improved" version. The wishlish is really very bad now. I liked the prices and the sale parts and that is what I looked for in there.

It is horrid

Ditto all of the comments posted above.

It is cumbersome and slow. How many times do I have to log in??? We should remember Renderosity's record in responding to complaints, so better learn to live with it...........

Have the stats in the "What's Hot" section been reset? There's some older items back in all of a sudden. If that's the case, it's not good news for me; I had a product, up for less than a week, which was starting to work its way through the list. (Personal - possibly selfish - gripe, I know).

Minor point - I'd like the sidebar on the right, like one or two others, or the option to place it there.

Not just (or even mainly) for these reasons, but for all the others above, I don't think this is working at all.

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Who redesigned this.....Renda? 8P

My first reaction was "Oh my God this is terrible!" However, after spending some time at the new MP I now think "Oh my God this is REALLY terrible!" Things that should have been fixed weren't and things that worked great are now gone/messed up beyond repair. Ok, let's say it all together now: "IF IT AIN'T BROKE..."

bm

sooooooo glad I've not got a store here anymore....

I also dont like the new shop as it isnt the same as before. So many good features have gone as the reminder for a second buy or also the possibility to redownload bought things easy again. The search after merchants and bought products. The overview has been better and the reviews often have been helpfull too. RR was my favorite store and I also have loved it. But in the moment Im also not sure what will be when time goes on. Its a pitty :-(((

Usability and user interface has never been something Bondware is very good at. You'd think, after all the complaints and previous problems, that they'd hire someone who actually understands about user interfaces to at least advise (i.e., on a consultancy basis), but no, they just go ahead and do whatever they want and then listen to everyone complain and cherry pick which complaints they want to deal with. Very professional. bonni

Well so far I don't like it! It looks like a store back a decade or so - why so much text instead of buttons? Why do they have to mess with something that looked good to make it look awful....how do you buy things anyhow? You could add it to your cart or use quick buy - now I see no buttons at all...just text.. YUCK!!

Sorry Renderosity, unless this was necessary as a prerequisite to an entire new master site built on SPEED, this was a bad move. Didn't you get some user imput before you did this? ::::: Opera :::::

I personally don't think it made a big difference. If Renderosity was a little faster it would be better. They need to concentrate on speed not how it looks. I noticed the products I had in my cart is now gone. So it must of purged everything when they switched over. It seems the new look is not very popular. Adrian

operaguy addresses something I was wondering about. Just who does test out the new systems before being implemented? I can understand the Admins and some Mods but what about normal joe members who shop here? Not everyone's surf experience will be the same nor will the appearance and functionality of various user's browsers. Kind of important where sales are concerned don't you think?

And where is the "updates" function for previously purchased items? I can't seem to find it. Is it gone or just buried somewhere where my addled Brian (brain) can't find it?!

It is not the look so much that I have an issue with.... Sure it used to look a lot prettier and now it is arcane and archaiac in all the wrong senses of the words. It is the functionality which is compromised. Can they bring back the old Market Place? I can't see that any Admins have posted on this thread despite me putting links from a couple of other threads. Don't really want to but....this might well be me and my wallet moving elsewhere! :0(

Spedler said it with, "Now it looks like a cross between PoserPros and Daz ..." That's the first thing I noticed. Haven't really looked at the market place that much yet but PoserPros has always annoyed me. Don't like that layout at all. None of the sites really do searches properly. The thing I DID notice is that my cart is now empty. I'm lazy and just put future purchases into my cart. When I find that thing I just can't live without (and I have a high speed connection) I cash out and download. Someone else said it: I guess I will shop less and save money ... Best Wishes All, Rance