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Subject: Requesting help on image


jared99 ( ) posted Fri, 27 January 2006 at 6:09 PM · edited Fri, 27 December 2024 at 6:52 PM

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Going through some old images and found one I thought had potential. However, I think I've failed to bring it up to standards worth posting in the galleries.

Could some of you sages and mages give me an honest critique of my attempt, and possibly give ideas about what I could have done better (or could have done right, instead of what I actually did)?

I'm including the original (but cropped and sized) image, plus the one I've munged.

One concern is the lack of sharpness in the foreground. A combination of low light and a bit of a breeze was a problem, and I just couldn't get things to look any sharper in post work. Any suggestions? Or is my original just not good enough to start with? If not, do you think a small bit of fill flash would have done the trick without making it look like a snapshot?

Thanks!!!


DJB ( ) posted Fri, 27 January 2006 at 8:46 PM

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I just added a bit of contrast and brightness, then took it to PSP and used Edge Preserving Smoothness to get rid of the artifact. Other than completely change it, like using a paint filter I think you have a decent image as is. I think your blue frame takes away from it though.

"The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions."



Zacko ( ) posted Fri, 27 January 2006 at 10:25 PM

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I agree with Doug...that blue frame really takes away from it. Other than that its a really pretty shot. Hope you dont mind me playing a little with it too. First i used Neat Image to get rid of some noise, then i just blurred out the remaining artifacts around the flower itself. Then i converted it to monochrome on the right one.....and on the left one i tried to simulate some directional light just to make it a little more interesting.

How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
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DJB ( ) posted Sat, 28 January 2006 at 12:37 AM

Definitely like the simulated light Andreas. Good idea. The thing though about making it only 80kb is you get back the jpg artifact. But if it was from original, and loaded in a gallery it would be larger and those would not be present. Never tried Neat image.Monochrome works too for this.

"The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions."



Brenda_Guiles ( ) posted Sat, 28 January 2006 at 9:35 AM

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I adjusted color, contrast and saturation, then created a few layers. I also used edge preserving smooth and cropped and added a border. The guys are right about the blue frame taking away from the image, so I added a sliver of blue into the frame and dropped shadow. If you want more info on what I did I can provide that. Brenda :)


TomDart ( ) posted Sat, 28 January 2006 at 9:36 AM · edited Sat, 28 January 2006 at 9:37 AM

Attached Link: http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=706

Zacko, interesting how your attempts take the view from spring to winter..both work.

My concern is lack of sharpness on the stem in original. I have used fill flash effectively on similar shots but you do have to be careful to use just enough and not too much or it will look unnatural.

Check out the link for the "Fill Flash Cheat Sheet" published by Popular Photography. Some time ago, a poster provided this to me and I pass it on... Just saw Brenda's crop..I like that.

Message edited on: 01/28/2006 09:37


jared99 ( ) posted Sat, 28 January 2006 at 2:27 PM

Wow! Thanks so much for the info everyone! I really appreciate you taking the time to teach me! All of your versions look so great.

I'll spend some more quality time with the image and see if I can make it look as good as you have. I'm going to have to give Neat Image a try.

I thought I already had cropped aggressively in this image, but after seeing Brenda's hyper-crop, I think I like it much better that way.

As for the blue border, that's funny! I actually was thinking it looked pretty good before you all enlightened me! Can anyone recommend a tutorial on good taste? :) Alas, I have a history of using sub-optimal borders.

I am curious about the steps Brenda took -- especially with respect to multiple layers.

Thanks again!!!


Brenda_Guiles ( ) posted Sat, 28 January 2006 at 6:21 PM

Using my own rule of thumb, I never use colored borders anymore, the DO take away from any image imho. I either use blakc or white and add a sliver of the dominant color (usually 1 pixel) I responded to your IM. I hope I gave you enough information. Be sure to use edge preserving smooth after step 1, I use a setting of 3, to remove artifacts and noise. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. Here is my reply that I replied via IM: Hi Jared! I use PSP not PS so the steps may or not be close. I am going to try to explain this as best I can OK? 1. Open image is psp. 2. Take original image and go to "effects" "enhance photo" "automatic color balance" 55% temp = 6515 (which is about = to sunlight) uncheck remove color cast and apply. The go to "effects" "enhance photo" "contrast" and I played with the settings. I think it was darken, mild and flat. Then I go to "effects" "enhance photo" "saturation" and make it more colorful and bold. 3. Now duplicate two images (use shift D). 4. Go to one of the duplicates you made in step 3 and go to "effects" "blur" "gaussian blur" using a radius of 5.57 (because the longest edge on the image that used of yours was 557 x XXX) now copy it and go back to the original image and add it in as a layer. Now go to "layers" "properties" and I think for this layer I used the blend mode saturation, adjusted the opacity to where I liked it. And when I added the third copy "as is" I used the mode screen and adjusted the opacity to where I thought it looked best. I then went to layers, merge layers visable and saved. Open your saved image again and applied crop. Geeze I hope all that made sense... it only took a few minutes I swear! Anymore questions, feel free to ask! Brenda :)


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