Gentlemen and Ladies: I'm been trying to creates a figure based upon the Indain actress Aishwarya Rei, using the Eve 4 version of Posette. There are reasons why I prefer Eve 4 over other figures, among them that she comes with built in genitals, and that her breasts move automatically in tandem with the movement of teh collar, and she's low-res enough to easily facillitate animation, and last but not least, I prefer Posette over the plethora of other figuers out there. Now, while my efforts haven't been entirely unsucessful, I've encountered a stumbling block with the Lips. It woud seem, that when Zygote created the figure, back knows when, they pasted a sort of box-top on the upper lip -one that leaves a distinctive edge when texturing. This edge creates creates a most unrealistic and unsightly black line and shadow when rendering. All my efforts to eliminate this edge have so far proved unsuccessful. I've tried Stahlratte's MouthSmooth morph, I've tried exporting NEA head as a morph target to smooth the lip, and while it does so, it also smeares the texture in a manner unsightly. And as far as magnats go, they are an arcane mystery to me, the mystery being of how can anybody get them to do anything at all. (I gave up trying to use them to give MDP's F-202 girl a more humanly figure). Therefore, I'm appealing to all of you for advice and aid, and even home-brewed MT's to fix my problem. Ultimately, the figure I create will be posted here in free-stuff. For any of you who saw my previous thread to recreate an obscure porn starlet mamed Olga into an Eve 4 figure, and would like to try her out, are welcome to contact me here in the forum and I'll happily send her to you -even you too Ironbear and Demothenies. I remain, respectfully yours' David P. Hoadley

My smooth upperlip morphs were made for standard-mapped Posette. If your EVE is mapped differently than Posette, you need to make a custom morph. stahlratte

Message edited on: 03/22/2006 06:11

Dear Stahlratte; Thank you for taking the time to answer my posts, you are indeed a friend in need. I'll give these morphs a try. David

These are the same you already tried. Sorry, but a smoothing morph always WILL result in a bit of texture stretching unless you remap the figure. The only solution would be to build a completely new EVE based on Pitklads NEAena, or to correct the existing mapping in UVmapper to better match the new shape. Btw, very often a different light set can also "smooth" a figure. stahlratte

Thank you anyway Stahlratte for your help and advice. I've also converted my texture map to a .tif, hoping that the denser pixel count will help smooth thngs. It's still a wonder to me why Zygote had to put two tusks on the front of Posette's lips. Certainly the Cupid's Bow could have been emphasided by other means. David

Attached Link: http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JENO3F59ZWM93S9QEZQFUOWJ4

Okay, just made a new lip smooth morph in Wings. It only moves the outer edge of the lips, so I dont know if this is enough to decrease the shadow: [](http://photobucket.com) The red vertices were moved. Original shape in the background.

But I if Id do more, the texture would be stretched, as I mentioned.

Download it HERE:

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JENO3F59ZWM93S9QEZQFUOWJ4

stahlratte

Message edited on: 03/22/2006 06:49

Thank you Stahlratte, for your help. The morph does indeed clean up both my Eve 4 and Posette's lip seam. Strangely enough though,it has no effect on my sculpting head, which is based on AJ's Asymetrical Head downloadable from PosetteForever. This is somply Posette's head, loaded with AJ's Asymetrical morphs, and are meant to add to various characters created in Posetter to lend them a touch of realism. Now to this figure I added a whle slew of morphs given to me by mopmodot in order to facilitate me in my work, but I've niticed that the head has developed some strange characteristics, such as a latern jaw, and now it's inability to react to your morph. Could I trouble you to consider what mibht be the cause of this phenomema. I remain, respectfully yours, David P. Hoadley

What I think is that what happened is that you morphed the lips too much away from the default shape, so that my morph simply doesnt have any effect anymore. The vertices are still moved, but not far enough and not into the needed direction to smooth your new lip shape. If you morph a mesh too much you come to a point where the default morphs usually "break" and create strange results. Thats why for example DAZ Maddie needs a different smile morph than DAZ AIKO, even though both heads are exactly the same geometry, so Maddie could use AIKOs smile morph and vice versa. But if you actually try and switch those smiles, the results will look goofy. stahlratte

A lame try at a render. Can't do anything right today :) Thanks Stahlratte for these great morphs.

Stahlratte I have always wondered if this morph conflict and build up is why you use magnets mainly rather than morphs?

"...use magnets mainly rather than morphs?"

Not really. A magnet IS a morph, so it doesnt matter if I use 20 morphs or 20 magnets.
If the meshs shape is changed too much, the default moprhs break.

BUT magnets give me ulimate freedom to sculpt.
And as I practised with magnets right from the start, its actually faster for me to create a new magnet morph than to scroll through a gazillion of premade morphs to choose the right one.
Of course I still use several simple default morphs like "eyes raise" or "mouth wide" or "frown" or "smile".
(No use to reinvent the wheel, although I already made V3 characters that used magnets only so they can be distributed without limitations.)
But I only use them as a starting point, and if they break, I can use magnets or Wings3D to fix them.

Also the default morphs especially for often used models become pretty recognizeable after a while, so its easier with magnets to get away from the default "look".

I doubt one could do such a face without magnets or a modelling programm:

stahlratte

That piece is just beautiful!

Eureka! I think I've got it! David P. Hoadley

Uh - you do realize your eyelash transparencies are not set right, don't you? You have them loaded as a texture. You load them in the transparency box, select lashes, set to transparent with the three sliders, and make the object color (very) dark brown or black. Also, since you are going for a resemblance, the irises are at least 30% too big, and are an unnatural shade of green not found in nature, unless you include minerals.

Thank you very much Talos, I'll be making adjustments soon. I remian, respectfully yours, David P. Hoadley