Thank you richardson, that's high praise from a master of realism like yourself :-)
He is not hugely hi-res - his head is only 3009x2000 - but I put a lot of work into the bump map, and I've been fiddling with shader sets to match the lights.

Thank you Mizrael, except the hands and feet are always the fiddliest bits. Oh well, I'll just put it all on the back burner for now until I can get my hands on the new J2 and assess the situation.

Quote - However, inspite of RAM's remark about them being a waste of money, now, that's not true. You can still used the original textures, morphs and addons on the original figures. None of the originals suddenly stopped working for me so all their add-ons are fine... for them.

Uh, please don't misquote me. That's not what I said at all! :closedeyes: What I said was that none of the offerings from the old figures works on the new G2 figures. Since the old figures have so many flaws I wasn't using them for much, if not at all and that I considered it a waste of MY money to have invested so much. I went on to say that HOPEFULLY the merchants will come through with updates, free or reduced in price. I wasn't trying to tell folks to NOT buy but was warning them that when the new figures hit that support for the older ones will drop off and the newer ones will over take so why bother buying up a bunch of stuff for the old figures when you will eventually prefer the newer ones for what they have to offer. In so many words...... Richard :tongue2:

Quote - This is what I was working on...

I'll see how things go, maybe make a J1 and J2 version available. It'll depend on the new mapping, largely.

Karen, I would do your best to get that transfered to the G2 James because you would have a sale from me, that's for sure. What a cutey!! WOOF! Richard ;-)~

Quote - Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

Uh... Eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!! :scared: I don't think I would want to see most of my forum mates running around naked ANYWHERE!! :scared:

euh...whats the fuzz about ... nobody uses poser original figures anyway...

when hew come out its all ohhh and ahhhh and the they go back to v3 m3 Apollo etc etc....

it was just before the new poser figures came with p6 or was it p5 ... ohhh ahhhh ..okay where did i put V3 ...

I dont mind passport members having the first look....

for now i say to the new Poser figure Nein danke, no thanks, lo toda raba, nee dankje....

Chris

Quote - > Quote - However, inspite of RAM's remark about them being a waste of money, now, that's not true. You can still used the original textures, morphs and addons on the original figures. None of the originals suddenly stopped working for me so all their add-ons are fine... for them.  

Uh, please don't misquote me. That's not what I said at all! :closedeyes:

I do believe I got the I got impression because your exact words were:

Quote - The money that was spent to support them was a waste as far as I was concerned but HEY sometimes that's just the way it is....

Some of us DO use those original figures and calling them a waste of money comes across as just that, a discouragement to others not to use them. Some of us have even been buying addon's and support right up to this recent G2 release for that very reason. We can and do get to make use of the money we've spent. In anycase, it wasn't a "Misquote", a missunderstanding of your exact meaning maybe, but it wasn't a misqoute.

OK, your right, I'm wrong and all's well...... That's me being a martyr, fun huh!! :biggrin: Hey and if y'all want to use figures that are messed up one way or another, that's fine by me! Truly, I would love to make use of Miki, I really like her but her forearms are just a mess and that's a TOTAL turn off for me as I do allot of expressive poses! The new G2 James has NO ELBOWS when he's made to "flex" his biceps. Take a look at that will you? This is better?? :huh:

Quote - And do you know if original James texture maps fit him? (If not, I'm going to cry... Been working for so long on a texture pack...)

Karen, don't worry - just because new figures come out doesn't mean the old ones stop working. And for the time being, there will be more users of the original James (= every P6 owner) than of James G2 (only the P6 owners who download the udpated figure).

So it looks like I'll be sticking with V3 and M3 then!!!!!

Quote - OK, your right, I'm wrong and all's well...... That's me being a martyr, fun huh!! :biggrin: Hey and if y'all want to use figures that are messed up one way or another, that's fine by me!

Truly, I would love to make use of Miki, I really like her but her forearms are just a mess and that's a TOTAL turn off for me as I do allot of expressive poses! The new G2 James has NO ELBOWS when he's made to "flex" his biceps. Take a look at that will you? This is better?? :huh:

Nope! I'm not right, I'm just confused and I like G1 James  A LOT! Hehehe..no martyr's need apply. You're absolutely right about G2 Jame's Elbows. Yuck! That's not a fix! Miki's upper arms I've gotten around by only using her in a big baggy Kimono that hide's this disfigurement. Hehehe.... in anycase, I wasn't saying you were wrong, only that I misunderstood your meaning which just makes me dumb so there! :tt2:

Hey now, no titillating teasing with your tongue! It's been awhile you know! Ah what the hell... right back at you..... :tt2:

My mistake Karen, I assumed that you were a member. But it is not uncommon to show/preview new figures to members. That's what they really are, new, not old fixed. If they were the old fixed, then I would say yes, you should have access to them. It's only a couple of days sooner and look on the bright side, less traffic when you do get to download.

I also agree that you might want to finish that texture. It would be a shame to waiste that much work.

VF, I'm thinking would be updated for the new figures. I was sure that I read that they were planning to add figures as they go. When, not if, might be the better question

Well I'm hoping they just get the Puppetmaster Bi-Ped support for the new figures first so I can use it to pose my G2 figures in the VF zero pose and all will be well in that regards. Otherwise I'll end up doingi t by hand and Ugh! I don't wanna! Hehehe...

Richard, if we keep this flirting up Karen's gonna send us to the backroom where we'll really get into some mischief! :blink: :woot:

:biggrin: :blushing:

PuppetMaster, Damn, I almost forgot about that. With PhilC, we would have an update in the next few days. Who know when it's going to be now.

I've had such bad luck lately in purchasing apps. They keep getting bought out shortly after I buy .

Hehe... NOW someone see's why I was bitching about the secrecy behind who owned Puppetmaster! I wish Kamaliche would have sold it to Phil! We'd KNOW when to expect updates!

Oh, I think she will come through just fine. When she's knee deep in something she stays in it untill it's done. Of course now that she's got all this gaming stuff to do.... who knows! :ohmy

karen1573, I wouldn't give up on your textures just yet. We don't yet know how different the new UV maps will be. I suspect the head and neck area is where there have been changes. bB

PuppetMaster has the tools to add your own new figures. But I haven't tried it yet myself. bB

Quote - karen1573, I wouldn't give up on your textures just yet. We don't yet know how different the new UV maps will be. I suspect the head and neck area is where there have been changes. bB

Changes looked significant. Areas that were on seperate textures have been combined onto one

Hi Karen,

I agree with RAMWolff - OMG! What a great looking character for James you have there! I would buy him also. Just wanted you to know. . . .

At least there is an update for the EF characters that is being released.  How long have we been waiting for M4/V4?

there was some text under all those squares...
It doesn't pop up for me anymore, after I went in the first time.

Quote - How do you get into CP? I can't find anything clickable in the flash on the front page.

Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there.  A perfect example of style over substance.

Quote - But I wonder what all this will mean for Wardrobe Wizard support?

Look here:
http://www.philc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=603
They will be supported!

And about your Ian, Karen: richardson is right, the beard looks very real and attractive, as more as this is a WIP!

Quote - Daz Plat Club isn't entirely the same. The people in the members only section party naked and roll around in popcorn.
:b_tonguewink:

Hey - isn't it a violation of Daz policy to disclose what goes on in the members only forum?

:laugh:

And besides, now everyone's gonna want to join.

Cheers,
Alisa (running back to make more popcorn...)

Quote - Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there.  A perfect example of style over substance.

It's very slick, and pretty. I like it. :D But.... It needs some tweaks, imho. Text and thumbnails are too small. And the navigation is confusing. I would change the order of the navigation bar on the left to be more like the old one, then below that have the wishlist and cart. Just my 2 cents. bB

The new design: I vote mess. I went in this weekend. Not only is it cluttered, they seem to have discarded the complete list of partner vendors (thanks for the gratitude) and the Shopping Cart is actually worse than it used to be -- which took some doing. I swear, there must be some special customer relations program, perhaps at Provo Tech and Charm School, where folks who run Poser marketplaces learn to shoot off their toes.

It took me three hours to complete a $30 purchase! And on the first round, I had a full cart with no Checkout button. Fixed that by the simple expedient of starting over, only to discover that I could only use one of my four "valuable coupons." Renewing my Passport will be a hard sell. Next time I want something that's offered for more money at PoserPros, I'll figure in my time.

And if e-F releases the G2 guys in July as mucked up as they seem to be (no elbows???), just to make a date, that's pathetic. I will be picking them up today to make my own judgment, but an elbow is an awful thing to lose. Screwing up the male figures doesn't matter much to me, since I still use Don for most things, but it bodes ill for the femmes. I've been a defender of Jessi and Miki for some time, but mainly because I believed they were going to repair the problems... without introducing worse ones.

M

i don't like the look of cp now,as it looks like they have just planted those thumbnails,and are expecting them to grow,after a bit of nurturing.

are the new figures out yet then as it is the 31st now? if so where do you go?

I just went to CP and suffered the same shock as others.  Jeez.  What a train-wreck.  It was flashy and garish and served little to no purpose in doing so.  They desperately need to focus on 3D content (fixing elbows and such) and not on flashy BS.

At least on the up side....they did a worse job of upgrading their site then Rendo did. :lol:  If that is an upside. :blink: :laugh:

Boy this is a little depressing. It appears the fix needs a fix. I just hope they can at least arrive at that beta-phase they call a complete product. So much for quality assurance.

Quote - The new design: I vote mess. I went in this weekend. Not only is it cluttered, they seem to have discarded the complete list of partner vendors (thanks for the gratitude) and the Shopping Cart is actually worse than it used to be -- which took some doing. I swear, there must be some special customer relations program, perhaps at Provo Tech and Charm School, where folks who run Poser marketplaces learn to shoot off their toes.

Well put!  ;-)

They have gotten the thumbs so small now (35 x 35 pixels) that they serve about as much purpose as a box marked "Thumb" would.  Once you actully get to the product the main images are also smaller (though you can pop up the former size)  and the page is awfully cluttered and wasteful of space. 

I emailed them yesterday to let them know how unhappy I am with the layout.  My stuff has been selling very nicely at Content Paradise, but I expect sales to take a big hit with the new layout.  So unnessary, too, the old layout was very nice, though I would have like to see bigger (not smaller, which is what we got) main images.  We sell to people who are graphicly oriented, I want to show  why my stuff is worth buying.

Plus it seems really slow in loading pages.

It is a very pretty site, layout, don't get me wrong, but I'm there to sell Poser products, not get design awards.

New CP site design: not at all to my liking. And naturally it's a far cry from being anything that could be remotely called as "standard HTML" (World Wide Web Consortium's HTML validator spat out a whopping 397 validation errors in the HTML code for the front page only). As Jim Burton said ... style over substance.

Jeez... I hadn't seen the new front page yet. That took over 30 seconds to load, and I'm on 1mb broadband. Not good.

Thanks for all the feedback and encouragement, guys. I'm going to wait until James 2 is available and then I will work on completing the package and probably sell it as a pack with both versions. The timing is just bad for me because I'm moving out in about 3 weeks and I don't know how long it will take me to get reconnected, and I don't want to launch a product and then disappear. :-

Some questions about Jessi.. as I am NOT part of this exclusive club.

If you already OWN GJessi, do you get a credit?

What if you don't like how thin GJessi is but want someone with hands not quite as big as regular Jessi? Does the upgraded GJessi have more morphs?

And I agree that the figures that are being updated that came with P6 should be available to everyone, yet at the same time thank those who pay to play with stuff that is broken so I don't have to.

The complete list of vendors can be found in the advanced search section.

I am having many problems on the back-end there just trying to get some products up...not to mention that I discovered that a lot of my products don't show up in a keyword search of the title...and other don't show up in catagories...and my new ones aren't showing up at all unless I link to the them from my 'homepage'....and the site keeps going down in the middle of setting up products....very very frustrating indeed.

New sites of that size are always going to have problems no matter how much they test it first...remember how you guys all were kicking and screaming when the new forums went up here ??  ;p

Anyway, I know that  a lot of the e Frontier/Content Paradise staff is out at Siggraph....so I am not holding my breath on hearing back from them for a bit....

--Rebekah--

Well, that's a bang of an idea.  Hmmm, let's completely redesign our website and put it online.  Then, we'll scamper off to Siggraph content in knowing that if we've made a bullocks out of it, we won't be there to fix it! Yay!

Great logical reasoning in progress there... ;D

Robert

The web guy is still there working, but I bet he wishes that he wasn't !

--Rebekah--

shrug

I was hoping that e-frontier was going to be coming out with something truly "revolutionary", figure-wise -- as early statements claimed.

Personally, I'm fine with the DAZ figures.  I've got a lot invested in them already.  Before I consider investing resources elsewhere: it will need to be demonstrated to me that there is a solid reason for me to do so.  Not just an -- at best -- six-of-one, half-dozen-of-the-other type of situation.  Or perhaps an even worse choice.......

Favoring and lauding other figures simply because "DAZ didn't make them" has never sounded like a good reason to switch over to me.  But on the other hand -- I'm absolutely fine with buying other figures if they are actually worth it overall -- regardless of who makes them.

I can't say that a new James holds any great interest for me over the existing M3/David figures.  But a new female figure is always worth a look.

Rebekah, probably cowering in a corner as we speak! ;)

I see that you've been able to get your "Cirque du Macabre" listed.

The "Modify Profile" Submit button doesn't work - FireFox 1.5.0.5 (Javascript enabled)

"View Big Thumbnails" sucks.  That's all it does. (?)  The product information is not shown, just a large block of thumbnails.  Man, I'm on a 2048x1536 screen resolution.  Fill in the info, please! ;P

Needs work.

Robert

If they came out with a tri-fold figure (ie: High-rez,normal,and lo-rez) that could wear the same clothes, and had loads of morphs, and could pose like a real human being without their elbows causing mutations (:lol:  Couldn't resist that one!) then I'd be very interested.  I like James.  He has a sort of Tom Cruise mixed with Bruce Willis look going on.  Jessi looks like an alien android, but that is another matter.

If they offered something unique and USEFUL (universal texture compatability, new realistic bone movements, even poser physic ERM's or such)  I would pay and be happy about it.

They need to concentrate on the business of business and working on what the people that buy their product want, or need.

I looked LONG and hard at joining the DAZ Platinum Club, or the CP Passport club.  Economics won out.  I looked at both merchandises availabilities and qualities.

I went with DAZ..  I spent $35 USD for a month of Platinum, and spent $200 usd in their Platinum Club items to get $1257 worth of goods.  Passport just didn't rate it.  I'm not a big fan of DAZ's ...ahem....Microsoft-wannabeeisms.  My choice was purely my bottom-line and what the two companies offered me.

CP REALLY needs to do something drastic to recapture their slipping market share.  DAZ gave away their best figures free.  Damn.  That was frikking brilliant.

CP needs some real brilliance, right now.

Ahhh....but I have uploaded 5 Cirque du Macabre items....and the Gorilla didn't show up at all either....it is wierdly inconsistent for me.   At least those showed up :) 

--Rebekah--

Joel, well said! :)  Jessi doesn't look like an alien android - she is an alien android!

Rebekah, ah, I see.  Hopefully the others will seep through the cracks into their proper place on the products page.

Robert

Quote - I'm not a big fan of DAZ's ...ahem....Microsoft-wannabeeisms.  My choice was purely my bottom-line and what the two companies offered me.

Which is also in large measure the reason why Microsoft is what it is.  Or why Wal-Mart is what it is...........lower prices can go a long way.

 "DAZ didn't make it" is no more of a reason to buy something than "Microsoft didn't make it" is.  I've got to be shown real value in the actual alternative product itself.  Not just be told that the "big bad guys" won't be the ones who get to benefit from the sale.  A negative reason is rarely a good reason -- it's just an emotional one.

I agree with the assessment of James & Jessi.  I actually kind of like the default James figure.  But  Jessi is just odd-looking.

WalMart and Microsoft are "what it is" because they lie, cheat, and steal, would throw their own children into the furnace for the bottom line, and consider their customers suckers to be fleeced. There is a difference at DAZ.... They smile nicer.

That said, I have to say the PC makes a lot more sense economically -- if you are into popular fads, high school creativity, and litero-kitsch like their pseudo SciFi. Personally, I don't need five more rilly rad futuristical outfits where you can almost see her youknows or rip-offs of whatever movie is hot when I hit the Send key. I have been carrying nearly $100 in credit at DAZ since they "absorbed" Carrara; I can't find anything I want badly enough to spend the coupons. John Davidson authentic Gypsy costumes? Super freaking flipped out cartoon characters just like the ones at RDNA but don't say anything and not as good? No thanks. It's like having a lifetime supply of free Big Macs.

I find it sad, amusing, and predictable that PoserPros morphed into DAZ's evil twin once they bought it, doing Aubrey Beardsley to Dan Farr's square-jawed Kipling. The two faces of the Victorian coin; it's the same coin.

At least, when I'm at CP, I don't feel like I've wondered into a Battlestar Galactica nostalgia party attended by fourteen-year-olds who just discovered sex and hope nobody notices. I'm not beating anybody's drum any more, but I give them credit for that.

M

Yes, that's all true -- I personally feel fleeced everytime that I shop at Wal-Mart -- and spend less than I would most anywhere else for the same items.  It's all highly upsetting.  And just so-o-o-o-o-o unfair.

As far as the DAZ themes go -- DAZ is like most of the Poser-related 'department stores' -- they've got a wide variety of items & fashions for sale there.  Personally, I simply buy whatever they offer that happens to appeal to me -- personally: and I ignore the rest of it.  I find that whatever the immature, shallow hoi-polloi (read: those whose tastes don't happen to match mine) are buying isn't a matter that concerns me a lot.

CP's got some great stuff on tap, too.  If I like it enough, then I'll buy there as readily as I will anywhere else.  But I'll ignore 'toon figures no matter where they are sold.

I only download toon figures if they're free as I really don't do any toonish renders, but Emoti-Guy from DAZ I just couldn't pass up!

It is now August 1st practically everywhere...