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Subject: ICM Fractal Art selections...


tdierikx ( ) posted Sat, 29 July 2006 at 3:59 PM · edited Mon, 30 December 2024 at 1:35 PM

See the final selections here...

http://www.divulgamat.net/weborriak/Exposiciones/artemate/FractalesICM/CatalogoFractales.asp

T.

Who? Me?


Mags61 ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 8:23 AM

How is it that the rules state:

  1. Participation
    2.1. Eligibility: Anyone may submit their own artwork to the contest, except selection panel members and their immediate families. (See below for a list of selection panel members.)

and 9 of the final 25 entries are by members of the selection panel?  Would anyone care to explain?

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Mags61 ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 9:09 AM

OK, here's a reply I got from the UF list.

Every four years the International Congress of Mathematicians (ICM)

meets to discuss mathematics and to present Fields medals. For the 2006
ICM, which is being held in Madrid in August, new events are being
added, including a fractal art exhibit. The purpose of the ICM 2006
Benoit Mandelbrot Fractal Art Contest is to select some of the artwork
for display in this exhibit. Other artwork to be included in the
exhibition will be from invited artists. These rules do not cover the
invitation process, only the contest.

You might want to especially note the final two sentences of that
paragraph since therein lies the answer to your question.

 

OK but the selection panel 'invited' themselves and, as a matter of principle, I think this is very wrong.  Are there any 'invited' entries from anyone who isn't on the panel?

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fractalus ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 10:59 AM

Mags,

Since you seem to have now raised this issue in three separate discussion forums (of which Renderosity's is the third), I am compelled to answer you in each one.

The selection panel did not invite themselves. The sponsors and organizers asked ten of them to choose one of their own images for the exhibition, as part of the invitation process; one of those asked declined. No one else got invited.

I don't realistically expect you to apologize for your accusations, but it would be appreciated. I'm more than a little bit offended by your behavior, and that's quite an accomplishment, as I don't get offended easily.

--Damien


Mags61 ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 11:28 AM

Since you seem to have now raised this issue in three separate discussion forums

Just spreading the word.

one of those asked declined.

At least one person had principles then!

No one else got invited.

Why not? - I know at least one person who recommended a 'great'  to be included but was ignored.

I don't realistically expect you to apologize for your accusations,

Good - I haven't made accusations, I've merely asked questions and ventured my opinion.

We don't cease to play because we grow old, we grow old because we cease to play.


fractalus ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 12:06 PM

Again, Mags, I am forced to answer you on all forums.

Just "spreading the word" about things that have not been substantiated, a conclusion you jumped to without facts and without attempt at clarification. That's not just an accusation, that's an unfounded accusation.

Link to thread on FracFan forum where I outline how what you say constitutes an accusation

No one else got invited because the sponsors elected not to invite anyone else. Just because someone else was suggested but not invited does not mean they were ignored; that's you putting a spin on it. What it does mean is that they weren't invited.

I don't think you'd even be breathing a word right now about any of this if your work had been selected. But it wasn't, because technical problems prevented you from uploading your work directly to the contest site, and when you sent your work to me, I didn't properly get it inserted into the contest system. Therefore your submissions were not considered. That's a regrettable mistake. But that doesn't mean your current campaign is reasonable.

--Damien


Mags61 ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 12:13 PM

because technical problems prevented you from uploading your work directly to the contest site, and when you sent your work to me, I didn't properly get it inserted into the contest system. Therefore your submissions were not considered.

Well, at last I've got to the truth about that - I've asked before, of course, but that part of my mail was always ignored.  So I didn't know, until your post above, that my work hadn't been submitted!!

We don't cease to play because we grow old, we grow old because we cease to play.


fractalus ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 12:41 PM

I already provided you with this information on a public post to the UF list on July 7:

"It turns out there were some technical issues with your images, and that
means yes, your images were not viewed by the contest panel. That is
unfortunate, and I'm sorry it happened; I am not an infallible machine and
occasionally I do make mistakes. Your entries are now displayed on the
contest site."

To which you replied an hour later:

"Well, at least I got a quick reply this way!!  Thank you for at last
displaying my entries.  I was never complaining that they hadn't been
selected - I never thought they would be in the first place and said so to
you - your reply was that you thought they had a good chance."

I guess that's why I'm surprised that you still maintain you were never told, or that I ignored your email.

--Damien


fractalus ( ) posted Mon, 31 July 2006 at 1:44 PM

Mags and I have traded apologies and forgiveness has been granted to each... sorry for the ruckus, folks.


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