I've seen that term around here but have no clue what it is.

"Renderosity's Art Charts are calculated based on a wide range of information for each category, taking into account statistics for images, artists and merchants from the last week of gallery traffic. Each category has a unique method of rank determination that has been thought out and tweaked carefully to help make the Charts a fair and informative representation of the most enjoyed art during the last week. The Art Charts are calculated each week sometime after midnight, server time, on Sunday nights (Monday mornings)."

You can find it by clicking on 'Galleries' at the top, and then ArtCharts {see image}

“…taking into account statistics for images, artists and merchants..”

Just curious but what role/factor would “merchants” have in determining ranking in an ArtChart?  

Quote - From the ArtCharts Page:

"Renderosity's Art Charts are calculated based on a wide range of information for each category, taking into account statistics for images, artists and merchants from the last week of gallery traffic. Each category has a unique method of rank determination that has been thought out and tweaked carefully to help make the Charts a fair and informative representation of the most enjoyed art during the last week. The Art Charts are calculated each week sometime after midnight, server time, on Sunday nights (Monday mornings)."

You can find it by clicking on 'Galleries' at the top, and then ArtCharts {see image}

Okay, so we know how it works, but what is it?

It's "a fair and informative representation of the most enjoyed art during the last week."

Quote - It's "a fair and informative representation of the most enjoyed art during the last week."

So this is the replacement for the "most viewed" that was turned off because it bumped all of the nude thumbs front and centre ?

Not exactly... number of views is part of the calculation, but not all of it.

This is a replacement for the Hot20. It's meant to be more impartial and less easy to spoof. N

I am the xx.x.xxx.xx! say this boy, and my ISP is '?'. I am running with a IE 6 16valve i.

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24 years smoking, so maybe they will take me 24 years to the gulag they are making for this cases

Hal 9000-A Space Odyssey. 1968

"It's "a fair and informative representation of the most enjoyed art during the last week." "

No way!
It's a fair and informative representaion of some of the most viewed pages, with some (sometimes biased)  votes during the last week.

It can't be anything else. There's absolutely no way that any site can make qualatative decisions about subjective thoughts (such as "enjoyed" or "art").and ignore "peer pressure" or "originator adulation"

So the whole idea is ridiculous. It is based on a totally unsupportable foundation.

Mind you, so was the hot 20..

Just my own very humble opinion..

Cheers,
Diolma

Fantasticus diolma!

Its the best description i read about the new Hot20

My very excellsius.

A pitty i know so bad and few english

The Art Charts are definitely not anything like the Hot20, but 20 times worse. If you haven't noticed, the Artist list hasn't changed all that much since it started. So it will always be the same people in different order every week? How is this different from the Hot20 exactly when the results are so similar? Instead of voting for an image, you simply add it as a favorite and shazam! 

This system would also favor daily and/or frequent posting; more images in the gallery, more exposure, more favorites. I do see some artists who don't post frequently and who are in the Top100 and extremely popular....my guess is that stat is generated from new users who just stumbled upon the Top100 and are feeling the community out. I could go on and on about this subject, but just like the Hot20 issue, it's terribly important to label and rate us as numbers instead of individuals...and it's quite sad, once again. Nobody likes redundancy, and the charts are nothing less than that. Just my opinion, but it certainly would be great to not have a rating system whatsoever! The only thing I really like about the Art Charts is the background color adheres to my CSS styles, but I don't see a point in visiting a page that never seems to change much.  

Yes,  David; i think i understand all what you wrote. You remind me Axeye, embarassed of being so considered. A loyal point for both. The people who made the rankings coudnt do it better for the marketing in digital art and for the Marketplace, so its clear is becoming all this for the 'production', like potatoes for the beach.

They can do whatever they want, but i see many sections that are getting in extintion. They are very worried with the childs and makings censors absurds, like with a friend in a replica of Raphael renacentist painter. An example of extintion: the abstract gallery. How many really abstract creators are here? And they have almost all their gallery invaded by the fractalers when they consider its 'fractal&abstract'. But is not a problem, they will not correct this 'little things'. I like to see abstracts, but to find one i have to see a lot of fractals.

With the minorities they never have considerations, as in all the places. I am in the minorities and i pay to post here 11$, moreless, per month. More than the double than in devianart. A lot of posers, scifis, fantasies, and nude photographers doenst pay nothing, and seems they have all the privilegies.

The general gallery is more than the 60% posers, practically all in the same style. Its 'funny-pathetic'. With this rankings, they are fomenting still more the posers, fantasy, scifis, nudephotowomans. Yes, they are exceptions in the personality of the creations, but they always comfirm the law.

Digital art for the masses, potatoes for the beach.

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And i will go to the beach now

Why do we have to have charts, hot 20 etc. I thought this was an art site not a competition site. Just get rid of all this sillyness.

I think Shardz has hit on something.

As is, I imagine that the Art Charts are self-perpetuating the current rankings. Bascially, If prog (just to pull a name I know) gets onto the chart, those who view the charts will click on his image(s) and increase whatever is used to determine who gets onto the charts, which means next week, prog will still be there, and more people will click on his image(s), and over, and over, ad infintum.

And the more prolific the artist, the greater the chance of them showing up on the Art Charts, even if they're work isn't as good as that of someone who hasn't posted half as many images.

I only checked the old Hot 20 once in a blue moon, and the same goes for the Art Charts, so to me it's a completely useless feature.

And it does nothing to help new members see what can be achieved by those who don't make the Art Chart listing, but still have phenomenal artwork.

But that's just me 2 Lincolns.

Ill chime in, coz Im moody and feel like griping LOL

Ok so the art charts are based on how many people favorite you - but that doesnt necessarily mean their work is the best. I mean, really, it can be fudged. All a person has to do is add you to their favorites. And I heard some dirty rumor about adding/removing/adding again and it counting. I dunno how true that is, but you could totally fool the system, I am quite sure... as sure as I am that there are already people out there trying to. And like Shardz said, the more u post the more chance you get to get on it. Like prog (and myself) for example... since we develop content, we rarely post, coz we dont have time to sit and play very often. And there are hundreds of other merchants like that as well. So a person who throws an image together in an hour and posts everyday would have better chance to be faved more often, thereby getting on the silly elitist list. And like I said, it doesnt make an image better. There are artists on here that would SMOKE the people on that list right now - that would smoke MY own art. But I dont see them listed.

Dont get me wrong... coz I really dont give a flying walenda whether Im on it or not - and Id say most people dont. Most on here do the art for fun or relaxation, not to fluff their egos for some delusion of grandeur they might have about being all big and famous. I think the elitist crap is just that... and it needs to go. But then, I hated the hot 20 too. It makes this place too competetive... and well, lets take a look at all the blood that has spilled due to that very concept.

With all due respect, its things like this that take the fun right out of this site and make it seem hollow, like some souless machine. And those that follow suit, adopt the same attitude - fighting starts to happen, as much as gloating in comments, etc... which personally makes me sick and not even want to come on here. Actually, I DONT come on here very much anymore. And Id dare say that many have left because of that very thing as well. When I first started frequenting this site, it was way more fun than it is now. It had heart, something it hasnt had in a very long time.

Ahhh but, I can sit here and go on about it til forever has passed... it wont change anything. So rather than spin my wheels, I think Ill go do something more productive.

:End Rant:

since i'm in the mood for griping as well (blame my flu and throat infection).......

I get ebots telling me i've made the art charts....

do i care? not really -

art charts are overrated.... we shouldnt have them. period.

its setting everyone apart from each other.........

also - when i have the time - i visit the poser gallerie and comment on all the images that i can,

I know you guys think it might be a good thing, but its no different from the Top 20...... just more numbers.

thats my two bobs worth.. blame the drugs i'm taking..... and lack of sleep.........

c ya.

** Better Lampy´s  counsel: "(...)**Just get rid of all this sillyness."

** Also i include this forum.**

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Waffle for the masses, but better potatoes for the beach

Again I'll say the ArtCharts are for entertainment purposes only. A lot of members enjoy checking them out and its a fun list for the ones who understand that it is for entertainment purposes only.

Wasn't the initial idea for the Hot 20 the same?

Or was there another reason for that?

Yes modus it was for entertainment purposes as well and unfortunately there was way too much abuse of the Hot20 system so that is why we did away with it when the conversion happened. The ArtCharts system cannot be abused in the same way that the Hot20 was and we are really trying hard to relay to members that this is designed to be something fun and entertaining and not to be taken so seriously that members get upset over it.  I just hope (maybe naively) that everyone will take it for what it is and just enjoy.

I'm in for fun!!

I want fun!!

Thats the spirit Artemis!!!!

I like the art charts. I get to find new artists that way and it has been a mix of all the mediums so far. I saw the funniest animation this week and animations are something I rarely look at. This one was so cool, I had to go looking at the rest of the person's gallery.

One thing definite.... No way can anyone add a fav, delete, add again to stack the odds. The adds after the delete don't count. You even get a message stating that. So put that rumor to rest.

You know that is a great point you brought up Unicornst.  Viewing the ArtCharts with all the different mediums mixed can be a terrific way to find an image, artist or vendor that you might have otherwise overlooked without access to the ArtCharts.

Just my opinion and calling it as I sees it.

and such a good call it is....... ;-)

Quote - Again I'll say the ArtCharts are for entertainment purposes only. A lot of members enjoy checking them out and its a fun list for the ones who understand that it is for entertainment purposes only.

No one that complained about it ever got that distinction when it was posted on the Hot 20, why would you expect them to get it now that it was changed to the even more neutral Art Chart? It seems the whole idea of a list with statistical rankings are an anathema to them (Let's not even mention the expression about Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics to them)

As far as I can tell it's a much improved system since it's not just based on the favorites as some are complaining, it looks like a combination of the favorites, the comments and the viewings. Manipulating all three of those factors are a lot harder to do than just 1 vote.

There seems to be a lot more room for different artists in it, since I notice that prog went from regularly having 3 spots in the Hot 20 to being 23rd on the list, if a lot of same names are in the Art Charts, it's mostly because the talent and the cliques of the members haven't changed much.

At least the system has gotten rid of a lot of the flaws even if the attitudes about it haven't

Quote - No one that complained about it ever got that distinction when it was posted on the Hot 20, why would you expect them to get it now that it was changed to the even more neutral Art Chart?

Cause I'm an optimist, LOL

I would think you'd have to be to be able to do a job like yours at all :b_tonguewink: :b_grin:

Amen to that, Argon! grin

At first I was kind of excited about the art charts.  They seemed so much better than the old hot20 system.  But I'm really starting to agree with Shardz.  It's the same people over and over.  Now I know that getting on a list is not what creating art is about, but for me, as a hobbyist, I really like it when I can share my creation with others and see that they love it as much as I do.  The "flaw" in the system as I see it, comes down to the fact that it's still based on a voluntary system.  People adding images or artists to their favorites lists.  I see SO MANY images out their that are technically, artistically, and many other ways better than at least half of the images in the art charts, but because of lack of exposure get barely any hits, comments, and in the end...favorited. 

I realize it's for fun, but I still see it as skewed, and it still works in favor of those that post often, and have a huge following...not because their art is necessarily hot or trendy.

Just my two cents,

Dragontales

I can understand how you feel cause the ArtCharts are from member choice but we do have challenges, contests, picks, etc that are done by the staff in some of the individual areas.  As we get settled in after the complete conversion we are going to concentrate of having more of these type of things in the different areas.

Quote - I realize it's for fun, but I still see it as skewed, and it still works in favor of those that post often, and have a huge following...not because their art is necessarily hot or trendy. Just my two cents,

Dragontales

Once again...another myth about the art charts.

No, it does not work in favor of those who post often or have a huge following. I, personally, know of one artist that is there who does not post often at all. Once every one or two weeks. Whereas there are artists here who post every single day and they're not there. So where's the skew here?

A huge following? Prog seems to have the largest following here if you can go by the number of people who have added him to their artist list. Such a large number, in fact, that it gave the site problems when the gallery conversions were going on. But he doesn't keep the number one place each week. So where's the skew here?

Face it. Some like it and some don't. Like every aspect of life.

i was in the Art chart last week, but have to say that i was a bit dissapointed when the e-bot telling me i was in the art chart arrived,  there was no fanfare music and no dancing girls with this e-bot, could you please fix it so that if i am ever there again, that next time i get fanfare music and dancing girls please!!

of course i am enjoying the access to the secret backroom, granted to all that have appeared in the art charts, each day we learn a different secret handshake and talk backwards, "life is great in the secret backroom!!!"

"efil si taerg ni eht terces moorkcab!!!"