Can someone please refresh my memory on the Millennium Kids.  I asked this before but can't find the thread now.

I am so confused by the following terms:

Millennium Kids
Millennium Girls
Millennium Boys
Millennium Teens
Millennium Kids Young Teens
Millennium Girls Pre Teen
Millennium Boys Pre Teen
Laura
Luke

Are any of these the same thing with just different names?  Exactly how many basic "Kid" packages does Daz have?

Far as I can tell the Millennium Kids  are the Millennium Girls and Millennium Boys
which were based on the old Victoria 2.0 mesh.
There are a preteen version and a preschool version

Where-as the Millennium Kids Young Teens are based on the unimesh figures
like Victoria 3.0 of which  Laura is the Millennium Teens girl and the Millennium Girls Pre Teen
and  luke is the Millennium Teens  boy and the Millennium Boys Pre Teen.
And there is a separate set called Maddie and Matt which are the preschool versions
of the unimesh figures.

Thanks :)

They should have just given the packages names like they did with V3 and M3 etc.

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They should have just given the packages names like they did with V3 and M3 etc.

You're asking way too much of people, Acadia.  Why should anybody make things simple, when for the same effort they can make it complicated.
KISS, as opposed to osculation, seldom happens even in Romance; otherwise Mills & Bloom would be out of business. ;-D
David P. Hoadley

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They should have just given the packages names like they did with V3 and M3 etc.

Well, they sort of did.  Luke and Laura, Matt and Maddie,  just like there is
Victoria and Michael, Stephanie and David,  Aiko and Hiro.

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Millennium Kids
Millennium Girls
Millennium Boys
Millennium Teens
Millennium Kids Young Teens
Millennium Girls Pre Teen
Millennium Boys Pre Teen
Laura
Luke

there are 4 packages sold by DAZ

Millennium Kids - Young Teens
Millennium Kids- Preschoolers
Millennium Boys
Millennium Girls

The young teens are names Luke and Laura. The Preschooler are named Mat and Madddie. the older versions (Millennium Boys and Millennium Girls) were never given names.

The  Millennium Boys and Girls packages came with a pre school character and a pre teen character. these are sometimes refered to as PT and PS. Because these characters were derived from V2 the girls are sometimes refered to as V2PT or V2PS.

Millenium teens most likely refers to the Young teens because the older versions were preteens.

it may be difficult to tell what someone means when they are talking about Millenium kids because prior to the release of the unimesh versions many of these terms were used in various context.

if in doubt, feel free to ask.

ugh, this has plagued me for awhile.
which is why, now, in my Nia pack i actually wrote the specific daz ps_#### number in the product requirements.

the newest confusion: ive been getting messages from some people who say they cant load my morphs on vicky. so i get them to redownload the .zip from rosity, go through the installation process and troubleshoot for awhile... asking them to check and see if they have the blMilWom_v3.obj object in their geometries/DAZPeople folder. they say no, they have blMilWom_v3RR.obj (or something like that).

turns out that they are trying to load my V3 morphs on the vicky 3 reduced res figure. if even a single polygon of the target figure is different then a morph wont load, and V3 reduced res has half the polygons of V3 so of course it wont work.
i dont blame the customer for this, i blame daz. the V3 RR figure should have a notice saying 'standard V3 morphs will not work with this figure'.... in 60 point, flashing, bold, neon orange letters. currently there isnt even a fine print notice informing customers of this, so it is understandable that someone not technically familiar with 3D would conclude that all V3 content will work on the reduced res figures.

DAZ isn't in the business of supporting third-party add-ons, unfortunately. They are in the business of selling as many "different" figures as they can convince the end-user to buy. The vickie 3 series in particular has never made an effort to ensure compatibility with different service releases. Or at least that's my perception! ^_^

As I said before, why make things simple, when with the same amount of time and effort thay can make them damned complicated.
David P. Hoadley

You want complicated? Try finding clothing for the kids... Could be under "DAZ PT" or "PT girl" or "Pre-teen Victoria" or "Victoria Pre-Teen" or "Millenium Girl" or "Millenium Pre-Teen" or.... Or for that matter, there might only be something for one of the morphed characters, like "TentenJ' (but not any other Tenten), "Nia," or "Chelsea" or..... And unlike Vickie characters, these are usually morphed enough so clothing doesn't quite fit them properly. Some even have edited joints!

Why not call them "Figure 1"...

It is strange the previous generation never got named. They are decent figures (as long as they aren't required to bend elbows or knees). Say, since Posette and Dork got named by the user community, and even Victoria was named "Millie" by the community before DAZ picked her official name, why can't we do a little write-in and get those kids some decent names?

I'd suggest Patricia and Peter. Those come close to the existing abbreviation "PT," and "Patricia" has some of the same "feel" as "Victoria," helping to underline the connection between the meshes. As for the "PS" duo, I don't have any ideas.

Many of us older users don't have the problem with the figure names. We first had PT/PS Girls/Boys. The Mil kids.When asked a question about PTGirl/MilPT, we knew what figure was in question. It the newer users that never had to upgrade that seem to have a problem with them.

Daz could have save some hassle with adding a 3 on the end of all the newer figures. Like L3, oh wait, they did on that one. OK, they should have just added the 3 on the end of the mil kids original names and everyone would know that they are the upgrade. Mill_PT3 or something to that effect.

Don't forget you can transfer V2 morphs to the Mil girls and V3 morphs to L3 and Maddie.

I think the V2 versions of the children WERE named: Preteen Vicky and Preschool Vicky, etc.  They were meant to be young versions of their adult counter parts?

Just a thought

Quote - Many of us older users don't have the problem with the figure names. We first had PT/PS Girls/Boys. The Mil kids.When asked a question about PTGirl/MilPT, we knew what figure was in question. It the newer users that never had to upgrade that seem to have a problem with them.

Daz could have save some hassle with adding a 3 on the end of all the newer figures. Like L3, oh wait, they did on that one. OK, they should have just added the 3 on the end of the mil kids original names and everyone would know that they are the upgrade. Mill_PT3 or something to that effect.

Don't forget you can transfer V2 morphs to the Mil girls and V3 morphs to L3 and Maddie.

God this stuff is confusing!!!! 

I have seen "Laura 3" but what is "Laura 3PT" Is that the "Millennium Girls PT"?

Laura 3PT comes with Laura3 (Young Teens).
It is Laura3 that can wear the clothes from the original Preteen girl.

Quote - DAZ isn't in the business of supporting third-party add-ons, unfortunately. They are in the business of selling as many "different" figures as they can convince the end-user to buy.

regardless, it is their responsibility - not mine - to inform customers that their reduced resolution figures dont work with morphs from the regular figures. for the $40 they are asking for them, youd think they could at least do that.
i didnt even know the RR figures existed. is it now all of our responsibility to add a line saying 'will not work with V3 RR' on our product pages? wouldnt it make more sense for it to be over at daz? i almost fell out of my chair when i saw there wasnt even a small print warning to customers about this.

"i didnt even know the RR figures existed. is it now all of our responsibility to add a line saying 'will not work with V3 RR' on our product pages? wouldnt it make more sense for it to be over at daz? i almost fell out of my chair when i saw there wasnt even a small print warning to customers about this."

We all know, Daz has never been very good in the communication aspect of thier products. Having a warning on your products would save you a lot of Hassel email. I'm not say that you should have to, but I doubt Daz will get around to it. Doesn't do justice to your products and it's a shame that some need to miss out on your quality work due to lack of info.

"I have seen "Laura 3" but what is "Laura 3PT" Is that the "Millennium Girls PT"? "

What Swamp said. Maddie has a Mil_PS version too. They even have the same cave in armpits as the Mils due to the matching JP's so the clothes work right.

Actually, I find the name "Laura3" to be quite interesting.  There never was a Laura1 or a Laura2.  This same phenomenon can also be seen in "SP3" or "Stephanie Petite 3".  While there is a just-plain Stephanie figure (the Mystery Model -- remember her?): there never was a Stephanie 2.  Yet the current incarnation of Stephanie is commonly called SP3.

But as has already been suggested, for us old timers: it's a snap to follow.

"Old timers" being defined as persons who have been in this game for at least 4 years (I suppose).  So we have some 4-year-old "old timers" hanging around.  It all makes perfect sense, you see.......

And oh yeah......like with any other high-class hobby -- the "anointed ones" need to have a special language which only they can understand.  This secret language separates the proud "experts" (pronounced 'ecccks-spurts') from the lowly & stupid (especially stupid) wannbe novices who are desparately trying to get into the game so that they can someday play "expert", too.  Maybe then they'll Get Some Respect.

It's an experience similar to walking into a bike shop to look for a bike.  The salesman quickly sizes you up as a greenhorn.  He immediately launches into a lengthy spiel about gear ratios; carbon-fiber frames; camelbacks; love-seats; clipless pedals; travel; derailleurs; rebound dials; etc., etc., etc..  Of course, not wanting to be thought of as a raw beginner: you nod your head sagely at his every word.  Even though he is speaking absolute gibberish -- or at least that's what you are hearing in terms of comprehending what he's actually talking about.  You just wanted a bike to ride.......

Whatever the subject -- if anyone wants to be regarded as being among the Anointed - then it's needful to learn the secret language of the High Priesthood.  Or to at least sound like you know it, anyway.

Personally, I like to use the word "Specular" a lot.  I've found that it wows 'em everytime.

Laura3......Luke2....no, that's not right........LukeSkywalker.....no, no........let's see.......Luke & Laura3..........

Now I've gone & done it.  And I knew what all of that meant when I first started typing out this message, too.........and then I started thinking about it..........:unsure:

Quote - Laura 3PT comes with Laura3 (Young Teens).
It is Laura3 that can wear the clothes from the original Preteen girl.

So does that mean that the original Preteen girl can wear clothes made for Laura3?

“So does that mean that the original Preteen girl can wear clothes made for Laura3?”

No.

 I’m sorry but I just read my post and see that how it was stated, is confusing.

Laura3 comes with a separate version (Laura 3PT) that can use the clothes from the original PT Girl (Just as Vic 3 comes with a version that can use Vic 2’s clothes).

Sorry,SWAMP

i didnt even know the RR figures existed. is it now all of our responsibility to add a line saying 'will not work with V3 RR' on our product pages? wouldnt it make more sense for it to be over at daz? i almost fell out of my chair when i saw there wasnt even a small print warning to customers about this.

But doesn't the standard V3 base pack - which is free - accept any custom morphs anyway? I thought one of the selling points of custom-made character packs is that the user doesn't need the V3 morph packs...

So if the customer has to download a free figure - which is a higher-spec figure than the RR version anyway - in order to use a custom morph, what is the issue, really? (I can see them getting a bit annoyed after wasting a half hour trying to make the morph work and wondering why nothing's happening, but at least they don't have to spend any more money...)

karen - i dont totally understand what you are saying...
but the RR figures are offered primarily to animators, who want to reduce their rendertimes by replacing the massively bloated V3 mesh with a somewhat lighter one.

there should be a warning on the V3 RR page saying it will not work with V3 morphs. in its current form, it APPEARS to, which increases its appeal to buyers. then someone buys it, finds out my GND morph for example doesnt work with it, and emails ME with a flood of technical support questions.
its complete BS. in order to puff up the appeal of one of their products daz is dumping a load of tech support problems on us merchants.

Ah, yes, I hadn't considered the animators. I got the V3RR with the Bryce bundle but haven't ever used her.

I was just wondering why someone would waste time complaining when the V3 mesh - which your morphs WILL work with - is free anyway.

its not the complaining thats the problem.
its the fact that people assume it will work with things like GND because daz doesnt label the V3 RR figures to say that they dont work with standard V3 morphs.
therefore when something goes wrong they all email me as the maker of the morph, asking why it doesnt work. i had nothing to do with V3 RR, i dont make a cent off it, i didnt even know they existed, so why the hell should it be my problem?

this could all be solved by daz putting a simple warning on the RR figures saying that they do not work with some standard V3 content such as morphs. this would make them less marketable, however, and probably why daz hasnt done so. so, the merchants like myself bear the tech support burden instead.

You're absolutely right Blackhearted, and it isn't your responsibility to provide technical support for DAZ products!

Of course, you're the merchant and right or wrong, when people have problems with your product, regardless of the cause, you have to expect that they will come to you for help. It's natural for them to do that.

Now, to give yourself some peace and less irritation, and as a service to the customers that we know you value, the simple solution is to put a notation on your page for GND that "this product is not compatible with the DAZ V3RR (reduced resolution) figure". Yes, we know...you shouldn't have to do that. But, if you do, it will save you heartburn and eliminate the deluge of emails and make your customers love you even more.

Wow, wouldn't it be great if someone could start a "Family Tree" of all the main poser people. I often don't buy good looking stuff because I'm not sure if this will fit or work with any of the characters I own.