Got a little wager going with someone, he says Kirk was the first Captain of Enterprise, I say it was Christopher Pike in a pilot episode, Who's right?

If you are talking about the 1701 then i'd say it was Pike.

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Just asking 50% of the winnings :}

Chris

So what happened, why was he replaced, any ideas?

Oh and Chris, 50% of nothing is still nothing [rofl], just some friendly banter between work colleagues!

as far as i know the whould show was cancelled .. thats why G.R. made a new episode and shifted lots of people and idea's around..

I this fist episode SPOCK smile's after that he never did :}

Chris

simple enough

Pike was captain for the Pilot episode
while the ABC Exec's did'nt like the Pilot, the commissioned a second Pilot with Shatner as Jim Kirk.
that one they liked...
the Original Pilot was then used in bits for a later episode.

"The first officially known commanding officer of the Enterprise was Christopher Pike, who served as captain for more than a decade prior to Kirk's fabled voyages. Star Trek: The Animated Series revealed a previous captain, Robert April, however as TAS was not considered canon by Gene Roddenberry or Paramount Pictures, owners of the Trek franchise, April's tenure as captain remains a matter of fanon, not canon, until a future live-action film or TV series establishes otherwise. (It has been reported that April is identified as the first captain of the NCC-1701 on a computer display visible in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly", however this has not been verified.)

The second captain of the Enterprise was Captain Christopher Pike which was chronicled in the original pilot episode "The Cage" and the later episode "The Menagerie". A Vulcan science officer, Mr. Spock, came to serve on the Enterprise under Captain Pike's command.

The third captain of this ship was Captain James Tiberius Kirk."

Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)

Khai, amazingly detailed answer, thank you!

So, and this is really important: Is the jury still out on the ultimate answer to the first Captain or is it generally agreed that it was Pike?

I guess the real Trekkies out there will have their opinions on this one!

It's agreed that Pike is the Canon answer at this time. it may change with the new movie coming up tho...

Quote - Kirk was the first Captain of Enterprise

Or, if you want to pick nits (galactic space-nits, no doubt) the first captain of the Enterprise was, chronologically, Jonathon Archer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, different Enterprise.

Of course, in 1707 there was Captain W. Davenport of the 6th rate vessel Enterprise of the British Navy, which pre-dates 'em all.

(Okay, I guess now I'm off-off topic... )

In any event, it definitely wasn't J.T. Kirk, no matter how you look at it.

Captain Jack

and spock smiled in another episode, when he sniffed some happy flowers, he danced, laughed, swung from a tree, and maybe even snogged one of the natives, probally ended with a punch from kirk though.

Oh NO! ...

Trekkies!..

Head for the hills!!

:oD

no.. Trekker!

old joke :

Whats the difference between a Trekker and and Trekkie?

A Trekker wonders what Sex in Zero-G would be like
A Trekkie wonders what Sex would be like...

Runs for the hills

Quite.

It's life Jim, but not as we know it.

There's Klingons on the starboard bow,
Starboard bow,
Starboard bow,
There's Klingons on the starboard bow,
Scrape `em off Jim.

:laugh:

a great Star Trek song is here:

http://www.voltaire.net/mp3/Voltaire-The_USS_Make-Shit-Up.mp3

it won't answer the Kirk / Pike question, but it is quite hysterical!

And I say,
Bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish
Thats the way we do things, lad, we're making shit up as we wish
The Klingons and the Romulans pose no threat to us
'Cause if we find we're in a bind we just make some shit up

What is with the Klingons, remember in the day
They looked like Puerto Ricans and they dressed in gold lame
Now they look like heavy metal rockers from the dead
With leather pants and frizzy hair and lobsters on their heads

I'm not a trekkie, but I have watched star trek this and star trek that plenty.

Lately I've watched the newer Enterprise series with Scott Bakula who IS apparently the first Captain of the first real warping, star hopping, planet jumping, phaser shooting Enterprise, according to star trek universe chronological order of things that is.

Look it up, you'll see I'm right.

Much to the dismay of the Vulcans who insist humans are by no means ready for long range space antics, and who don't want it to happen yet, Captain Archer and a so called half assed Star Fleet kinda force the issue of allowing humans to finally warp around and exlpore their space in the first interstellar starship Enterprise, donning a top speed of warp 4.5, half assed weapons, meager hull plating, low range sensors and a grappling hook, only to find a lot of hostile aliens, like the warfaring Klingons, as well as every species with attitude you can imagine,  and eventually even a race of reptilian Xindi that want to destroy Earth completely. 

All way before any kind of Captain Kirk steals the scene.

only if you accept 'enterprise' as being canon. since it contradicted nearly everything put down in Trek History...... plus it was totally crap.

so I'll let Kirk and Spock say it all

what was the name of cochrans space craft that first used warp speed if it was enterprise then chronologically it was him...though picard did go back in time to that period which makes it him though kirk did also go back in time which made it him though everyone was in the nexus which makes it even stephen lmao

billy

The neat thing about sci-fic fantasy is that any continuity snafus can be explained by bringing in alternative universes.

Great song BTW Caly :lol:

Well, on the contrary, I think a lot of the newer Enterprise show DID in fact explain a lot of left out stuff!

I felt the same way at first and when the new show came out I wouldn't even watch it noway, but then one rainy night was nothing to do and nothing much on the boob tube so I sat a little longer watching this show and somehow got hooked in one good episode.

Sure, it's not perfecto, but then, it's also just science fiction and imagination too. Look at the different varying stories they tell about poser and people using poser and poser forums and how all this wonderful stuff came about. Sure isn't much chronological there either, all depends on the klingons I guess, and how good your story is, hee hee. 

I heard a long time ago there was a lot more pink here, gotta go plaster on some make up, bye.

That's so funny you know.

Looking at this William Shatner and the one around today, wouldn't even know it's the same guy.

How much people change!

I hear he dons a toupe, or is that newly inserted hair follicles? And he sure potrudes quite the belly, and he always looks so darn puffy and sweaty, like he's dripping or melting away.

Spaceflight sure does amazing things to people.

The ego thing is still there though, hasn't managed to sweat it all out as yet.

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Capt. Kirk won't be boldly going where no man has gone before.  I suppose that his toupe might fall off if he did.......but we all get old.  Can't be helped.

And I've posted this one in a couple of other Star Trek threads, too.  As far as I am concerned, it can't be shown too much.  Especially to Trekkies.......excuse me: Trekkers.

Leonard Nimoy sings "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" in this video.  It's a classic.  No true Star Trek fan should be without it in their collection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMf93RCoUxk

I have a co-worker who visited the traveling Star Trek exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution a number of years ago.  They were displaying surviving sets & props from the original show.  According to my co-worker, he sat in Capt. Kirk's bridge chair.  The controls on the chair's arms consisted of glued-on shirt buttons.  Most everything else was made out of painted-over plywood.  Or so I've been told, anyway.  I didn't see it myself: so I can't vouch for the veracity of this story.

here's my bit of classic trek history:

"The controls on the chair's arms consisted of glued-on shirt buttons.  Most everything else was made out of painted-over plywood."

Oh nooo!  I thought it would be all stainless galactonium and advanced synthetic leatheroid. Next you'll be telling me they faked the transporter scenes, and they didn't really disappear!

That's my day spoilt...

:laugh:

My co-worker also stood on one of the transporter hubs at that same exhibit.  He had his picture taken.  He told me something about the transporter bases -- what they were made from.  Unfortunately, I don't recall what he said about that.  I'll try to remember to ask him about it on Monday.  It's been awhile since we talked about it.  But I do remember that the transporter hubs were made from nothing that you'd expect.  IIRC, it was something along the lines of garbage can lids or sewer manhole covers..........something about like that.

I do recall that he claimed that they had one (1) fancy control panel with flashing lights & switches for the bridge.  That same control panel served as the helm console in certain scenes, and would then be removed & turned upside down to serve as Spock's science monitoring panel -- then it would server as Uhura's communcations controls -- etc, etc.  They'd just lift out the box with it's lights, switches, & buttons and then turn it around for various panel locations.  Whenever they needed flashing lights that actually flashed on a control panel, that is.  The lights would flash as well in one place as it another.  Or so my co-worker told me.  Once again: I share this with the disclaimer that I never saw the items myself.

He also claimed that the original phasers were basically blocks of carved and painted wood.  Same for the original tricorders.  According to him, they made them fancier in later seasons.  But they started out with blocks of wood.

Oh, yeah........the ocsilloscope-looking thing mounted in the helm panel?  Well -- it was an ocsilloscope.

My wife just finished watching the first seaon of the original series, she's behind me in her chair spouting "Pike was first televised, didn't test well. Shatner tested well so they went with him. The actor who played Spock's father was originally up for the part of Spock. They had to do more extensive makeup to make him look older than Nemoy. Spock also smiled when he thought he had killed Kirk, and didn't - when he was sufferring the Pung-Far (sp?)."

"Pike's episode was not the first TELEVISED - he just went to testing (side note: Majel Barret was the first XO but executives couldn't deal with a woman in a power position), though he was filmed first. Only used in later episodes as references - 16th episode called "The Menagerie"."

Apparently, "The first reference to Kirk's middle name is James R. Kirk, not T. It was on a tombstone in one of the episodes - they never said what it was, but later everyone claimed his name to be James Tiberious Kirk - T."

Other little trivia - the DP Jerry Finnerman, had one standing rule for closeups of women - never have the camera low enough to look up their nose. More often than not he used a soft filter for closeups because he believed all women should be glamourized.

She argues that if you wanted to get technical, as mentioned above, Scott Bakula's character was the first Cap't of the Enterprise, but not originally intended by Rodenberry.

My own little Trekkie - I'm so proud!

Yeah, I've heard the Bilbo Baggins song as well - disturbing but hilarious!

I've also heard that many of the panels were painted cardboard so they could quickly change them out for different schematics.
-Lew ;-)

as to the Enterprise...

I think Scotty put it best.

"NCC 1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D."