There's a bit of a bun fight going on with the Halloween contest and we need a clear ruling on what is considered nudity. Ok we’ve be told that all figures have to be covered up. Regardless if they have genitals or not, this would cut out a lot of entries. These are the rules

From the guidelines:
*Any fleshy beast that has “human attributes” or is a "humanoid-type figure" must follow the above Male and Female coverage guidelines. {which states: *Male genital region must be totally covered - with an opaque material}  

Ok clear this one up first, “any fleshy beast that has “human attributes”

What are human attributes? if this means genitals than characters that don’t have genitals the rule is not applicable

Male genital region must be totally covered - with an *opaque material

If there are no genitals than how do we tell where the genital region is?

Odiously we know where human ones are, but for made up character it could be their head for all we know.

If  we cover the region with a smoke or material that can’t be seen through is that ok

I have no trouble changing or covering up but don’t accept my entry in the first place if it doesn’t meet the rules it feels like the rules were changed halfway. So a bit of clarification would be appreciated.  

Im not sure why you chose to bring this here, as it was already explained to you via IM, but I will try and do it again here.

First off, there was some confusion with the nudity guidelines, after several images came in we discovered this, and attempted to rectify it by posting the visual guidelines located here:

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=12176

Now, its pretty straight forward to know where the genital region is in a human and also the rules state that if its a humanoid character,  the same coverage applies. Genitals or not, that area must be covered. {This also includes certain images where characters are wearing thongs just for an fyi}

Smoke, fog, flames,hair, an arm, or leg in the way, props etc..these are not clothes and if the character appears to be nude behind any of these things then the image will need to be revised.

We have had to send off several noitifications, and had the intention of doing so in a timely manner. However, all the judges cannot possibly be here 24 hrs a day, and one judge cannot possibly check every image that comes in {there are almost 300 now}

If an image was passed before, and a quick review is done and that image fell outside the guidelines then the member is notified {which in this case you were notified} so the image can be revised.

If you have any further concerns you may direct them to the admins at admin@renderosity.com

also the rules state that if its a humanoid character,  the same coverage applies. Genitals or not, that area must be covered.

3PO! put the damn trunks on!

And thats C3-PO {and I dont know about actual robot characters...hmmm will have to check on that one...{however, a M3 with a robot texture/material for example would have to be clothed }

What we are talking about here is the likes of demons, trolls, partially decomposed corpses, etc...

Full body skeletons of course do not have to be clothed.

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ok the joke was lost. forget I said anything.. I'll be in the corner being serious.

and btw in the movies he was called 3PO often. (a correction to your correction)

Well people you are going to have to take out every skeleton that doesn’t have its genital region covered and I don’t see that happening. I think you missed the whole point of this, it wasn’t a shot at you guys. I’m not going to resubmit because obviously I would get discrimination against So thanks for the help  

Nah, no need to go into the corner...come outta there... I caught the joke.. Im just going blind from image overload I guess and my brain is about to explode..so Im terrified to laugh :lol:

And I stand corrected on the 3PO..you are correct

Again, whole bodied skeletons {nothing but bare bones} do not need to be clothed Midnight.

I do not understand the point you are trying to make apparently, and I have answered you the best way I can.

I would hope you would reconsider and resubmit your image.

A skeleton is a humanoid figure it has two leg two arms and a head humanoid. I was making the point you were taking the rules to the extreme and not in the good nature of the contest. Your right guys it just an art contest not a war I’ll put a pair of Speedos on him and we'll call it even.

but a skeleton is not fleshy ....

and jumpstart.. said "Full body skeletons of course do not have to be clothed" which agrees with the posted contest rules.

Ok after six hours of trying to figure out what you guys were on about. I got home, to look at the picture and I had no idea that there was anything between his legs how it got there I have no idea. Now I see why you let the other one like mine go, they didn’t have anything between their legs. I can see how you can misinterpret it, as something else. This was not something I did on purpose the model physically has no genitals so until I saw the picture I had no idea why I was being targeted. I want to apologize for the ruckus I’ve caused, and any hard feels that may have been misinterpreted. You guys were spot on with the rejection all I can say is the devil made me do it. You guys have to cover your ass and we do to literally.    

No worries Midnight, slap some cool speedo's or sompin on that bad boy and get him reposted

my pref would be for boxer shorts on the skellingtons, but I reckon speedos would suffice :lol:

So, if I wanted to submit an image with Daz's free Creeper, I'd need to stick some clothing on it because it's vaguely humanoid?

Anyone know where I could find a decent pair of boxers for said Creeper?

Quote - So, if I wanted to submit an image with Daz's free Creeper, I'd need to stick some clothing on it because it's vaguely humanoid?

Actually, I think the real question is, if you've got a pair of humanoid shorts, would you have to slap some Creeper on them?

:lol: <ducking, now...> :lol:

Captain Jack

I think the RR rule makers are seeing sexual content where there is none. Even the most ardent Bible thumper could  not possibly be offended by a naked, skinned zombie!!! Get real, admins. Does George W. Bush now own RR???? And the Creeper, oh my God, he really makes me think naughty thoughts - "Sticks finger down throat...."

And PS, jumpstartme, I am glad this problem is out in the open.

First off I dont mind it being out in the open per say, what I wondered about was why it was brought here by a member who had already been responded to. But that part is over with so I wont go back to that.

I posted to the other thread you started Drifterlee, but I can repost it here as well about the nudity clause.

From the Figure Coverage Guidelines For Contests:

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=12176

Male Coverage

•  
• Male genital region must be totally covered - with an *opaque material
• Male buttocks must be covered - with an *opaque material
• No use of: transparent clothes, blurring of nude areas, or the use of “blots” or “Censored” wording or props to cover areas that are otherwise not clothed.
• *Opaque: a solid, non-transparent material [in other words, material that is not see-through]

Humanoid Beasts

•  
• Any fleshy beast that has “human attributes” or is a "humanoid-type figure" must follow the above Male and Female coverage guidelines.
• No use of: transparent clothes, blurring of nude areas, or the use of "blots" or "Censored" wording or props to cover areas that are otherwise not clothed.

Also note: Any fleshy beast that has “human attributes” or is a "humanoid-type figure" must follow the above Male and Female coverage guidelines.

{This would mean that complete bare bones skeletons are not included in the nudity clause and do not have to be covered}

Who has made these rules???? Zombies have no sexual attributes! Quoting rules does not really explain the reasons.

The reasons for the nudity clause is: {and this directly from the admins in reply to the judges questions} the graphic contests entries can be viewed by all members; from young children to adults ...
And ... Many of our generous sponsors have requested a "No Nudity" clause in the contests that they sponsor.

Now, as to whether or not zombies have genitals or not...lets think about this...zombies are humans back from the dead are they not? Im assuming those pre-humans had genitals....but getting past that...the models used in these images may or may not have genitals {there have been some that had to be revised} but the rules state any fleshy human or humanoid type figure must be covered in the genital region..it does not specify genitals...just the region. {which if the region is covered, if there are genitals they will be covered.

Come on. I know you are an employee and have to follow the rules. But ugly zombies???? The rules are overdone here. Are we protecting the rights of zombies, if they exist??? I never get mad, usually. I am a 55 year old mother of two daughters. I also have 3 cats, 2 rabbits, one new very green 5 year old horse, a hamster with a poop problem, and I don't need this silly stuff. I have been married for 25 years to the same man. I believe in God and I pray to hiim or her, as the case may be. But I think these rules are silly, and I would really appreciate if you would talk to whoever put them in place. My ugly zombies are not sexual at all. Can you explain why zombies are offensive?

Just popping in quick to say that I have requested the LillianH or cartesius come in here and help explain the contest rules.

Thanks

Quote - Also note: Any fleshy beast that has “human attributes” or is a "humanoid-type figure" must follow the above Male and Female coverage guidelines.

{This would mean that complete bare bones skeletons are not included in the nudity clause and do not have to be covered}

So, no Creeper's mooning people?

Bummer, and I had just the image planned. :tt2:

edit: And it just occured to me, seeing a naked zombie can be rather traumatic, I think I'd pass on that. :scared:

Yes, someone really needs to explain why an ugly zombie with no marked gender needs clothes on. I really WANT that explained.

Hold tight drifter, help is on the way:)

Thank you. I have stood fast through the Thorne and sarsa characters looking too young and I can understand that. But UGLY ZOMBIES??????

Having seen drifterlee's image I think it would be good to see/hear how these rules came about as well.  This just seems like all the zero tolerance rules popping up all over the place these days.  Nobody wants to take the time to actually consider things on an individual basis, so they outlaw everything.  Common sense has to be involved.

Real life Santeria zombies are fully clothed and tended to & fed by the family.

Hollywood, movie, game etc zombies have some form of shorts on.

it seems pretty simple to me.... zombies are human shaped.... rules says human shaped figures must have their bits covered..... the solution to this is...... put some clothes on em and enter the contest......or...... DON'T put some clothes on em and DON'T enter the contest

God i love this site.

A werewolf with clothes looks something strange!, speaking about werewolves can you tell me how I can know if a werewolf is male, female or shemale?

thats easy kawecki...if the werewolf attacks guys then its a female.... if it attacks girls then its male....if it attacks both then its shemale.............unless its gay! :D

Since I primarily model, and only play in Poser occasionally, I thought I'd never see the day when the "nudity rule" would impact me.  I was wrong.  I like to make anthromorphosized creatures, ie...with humanoid faces, expressions.  Please see my "fishface" avatar....who is naked.  Now, according to this:  quote:  Any fleshy beast that has “human attributes”....little fishface is a violation.  Am I reading this correctly?  Or do you mean fleshy beasts shaped like humans in general?

Hi drifterlee,

I posted in another thread, but would also like to post this here.

These rules were created to provide a consistent and fair way to administer large community contests in which there is "no nudity allowed".

We are not making any distinctions about whether zombies or monsters or werewolves have "sexual attributes". We are simply clarifying what is considered nudity for the purpose of this contest and what kinds of characters must be clothed.

These definitions were made based on years of experience with Renderosity contest administration and reviewing several thousand submissions and with the input of several very experienced admins and artists.

After viewing vast amounts of contest submissions, yes...I can honestly say that some artists DO give their monsters very well endowed "human attributes", hence the need for the clarification.

To get to the point, if we want to continue to offer these kinds of generous prizes from so many different sponsors then we will continue to run these as "no nudity" contests. In today's business climate, we simply wouldn't be able to get this many prizes without this rule in place.

We have plenty of other contests on our site that do allow nudity. However, these large community, manufacturer sponsored contests do not.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

so, to clarify,

Grey Aliens, Golems. the Devil, Deamons, Ghasts, Gugs and Great Cthulhu, all need clothes even tho they are sexless and only resemble a human in the department of how many limbs they have...?

glad I'm not gonna be entering on time issues.. thats my entry right up the creek. (where am I supposed to get shorts for a Gug? they don't exist! (the shorts that is. and well, the Gug don't ether but you know what I mean...))

oh and Nyarlathotep (in the form of the 3 legged man with  massive tongue) and Ithaqua...  and oh.. don't forget Nightgaunts...

Well, I painted on loin clothes over their dead groin area and resubmitted it. So, I guess it has something to do with the advertisers who gave prizes, according to LIllianH. I still think it's stupid. Take a look in my gallery at "Do You Think I'm Sexy" render. It's not the contest entry but I used the same zombies. I can't find anything offensive as they have no genitals. So I guess I don't understand these advertisers.

HELLO!!!!
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anyone home?

still waiting on an answer here !

to repeat -

so, to clarify,

Grey Aliens, Golems. the Devil, Deamons, Ghasts, Gugs and Great Cthulhu, all need clothes even tho they are sexless and only resemble a human in the department of how many limbs they have...? (oh and Nyarlathotep (in the form of the 3 legged man with  massive tongue) and Ithaqua...  and oh.. don't forget Nightgaunts...)

I believe the answer to that would be yes...they're just as humanoid as zombies are.

want it from an admin tho. none of those figures I have even have gentials or clothes... (well a few for the greys... but nothing for the Cthulhu ones....)

and they are only as human as in having 2 arms 2 legs. Zombies are humans. ppl are forgetting that ;)

Khai,

Just FYI that I contacted LillianH and let her know that she is needed back in this thread:)

She should be responding soon

Well, I only called them Zombies because that's what the merchant called them. They are like "NIght of the Living Dead". They really have no flesh left. My real shock was that Ladona's image with GHOST BRUSHES (?????????) was pulled becauset he ghosts have breasts. Ghosts are not fleshy, and I saw the picture, and they did not appear to be naked to me.

Personally, I would consider nudity to be defined by the state of being naked.  But that's just me. 

However: I have to admit that it's an extremely complicated & involved issue at its base: and that it's very difficult to figure it all out.  Can a naked figure be defined as being "nude"?  And is a nude figure necessarily naked?  It's a toughie.......

Speaking for myself: I'm just dense enough so that the matter comes out pretty clear to me.  But there are obviously finer points and nuances connected to this situation which are sailing right over my head.  It's all just so terribly confusing........:scared::blink:

yup it is.. since according to the rules, a gorilla must be clothed..... or Great Cthulhu... (you wanna try getting trousers for him???)

"Great Cthulhu" was dreamed up in the imagination of a man who died at a young age of Bright's disease and cancer.  "Great Cthulhu" existed in Lovecraft's cigarette smoke.  Putting pants on imaginary characters has never been a hobby of mine. 

And hey -- gorillas in diapers -- it's a sure-fire contest winner.

It's actually pretty easy to cipher this out.  Really: it is.  With very little strain or effort -- all of the complications can be shown as being infused.  Not as being inherent.

The basic is pretty basic.

Hello Khai,

We tried to cover all the bases in the guidelines, but as you have pointed out, yes there are going to be some bases that may...for lack of a better term...remain uncovered. Those situations will be open to the judgement and interpretation of the Contests Managers.

so, to clarify,

Grey Aliens, Golems. the Devil, Deamons, Ghasts, Gugs and Great Cthulhu, all need clothes even tho they are sexless and only resemble a human in the department of how many limbs they have...? (oh and Nyarlathotep (in the form of the 3 legged man with  massive tongue) and Ithaqua...  and oh.. don't forget Nightgaunts...)

If the creatures have fleshy humanoid features they would fall into the must be covered category. Painting a loin cloth, or tattered clothing on them is a viable option that has been done quite well by other artists.

Gorillas would not need to be covered, because they are already covered with fur (unless someone gets creative and adds a set of boobs or genitals ;-)

Werewolfs likewise would not need to be clothed, unless again someone has taken the creative liberty of adding female breasts or genitals. Then, YES it would have to be covered.

If you have a particular image in question, we will be happy to review it.

As for the ghost image in question, when I saw the image, even though it was a lovely image, there were clearly visable nipples showing. Yes, there were "ghostly" nipples...but nipples none the less. The rules clearly state these will not be accepted. The artist was given the option to rework and resubmit the image.

We appreciate all the concern and input into the contest rules. We do our best to make sure the rules are clear and consistently applied. As with all rules...these do evolve and change with input and feedback from the community.

You just need to amend the rules to state "All monsters and ghosts must have breasts and genital area covered, even if they are not meant to be human or alive."

thank Lillan. I won't be entering then.

When I first put this in I had no idea that it would blow out to this. I’m really glad people got the point about things being taken to the extreme and that we have the right to question the rules. I think the main reason this happened is because the images were accepted in the first place and after a week or two they were rejected. It seemed like somebody had changes the rules. I had no problem with them rejecting my entry as there was something that could have been misinterpreted as genitals; I was totally oblivious to that fact till it was pointed out to me. The judges have an incredibly hard task of interpreting the rules if they are not clearly written. We should never point our anger at them they are doing the best they can. Before you put rules up, do your homework or create clearer ones which lead to less problems. I noted that the Nimbus characterI use in the contest has no nudity warnings in the market place why do you have one set of rules for the market place and one for contest, shouldn’t it be one universal rule for the site and not be dictated by sponsors. You still have not clearly defined what human attributes are and if I turn that some character into a statue the fleshy rule no longer applies but the same sexless character is there just in a different category. Well all this seems rather insignificant after one of the members threatened my life. I hope people start pulling together as we are here for a good time, not a long time and we’ve got better things to be doing.    

Threatened your life? Are you serious????