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Perfect for Platinum members, but not for we the pooh people :crying:

are their any pictures that do not require payment to see?

I'd post some of the pics that are going on over there, but I'm not sure if doing so wouldn't violate their TOS, and maybe the TOS here as well...

Suffice it to say that I will say, she reminds me, at least in several of the shots so far, a lot of the Korean pop singer BoA. She looks like an Aiko that is even more realistic than the Aiko - Realistic dial (and BoA is almost a spitting image for Aiko, although she is a real woman of age 20).

She did have an unusually large pubic region, as if 'hiding a package in her shorts' like a transvestite, but Dan Farr came out and said that batch of renders was a bad batch - and then proceeded to give us a better batch that didn't seem to have that same problem

She has the same 'armpit folding cut' that all Poser figures seem to have.

She looks really good unmorphed this time though - not tall an Nordic, more normal height like Aiko.

Please do not post any images of her here, until you get an okay from DAZ staff.  Not saying anyone did.  Just saying don't.  ;)

Jeni

Depends what the TOS states, publishing them elsewhere would be wrong I'm sure, but does it say anything about private emails?

We can't do anything, or advise you of anything, regarding your personal email.  Just what's on this site ;)

The platinum club forums are restricted to platinum club members, and images from that forum cannot be reposted elsewhere without Daz's permission.. I already asked them about that ages ago on a different subject.

It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

In a lil'bunch of days all the galleries will be full of NV4IATWAS. I can wait :lol:

Thought it was also posted in the commons area? 
Marque

Nope.. there are a whole bunch of preview pics posted in the Plat club area including some pics of some PA products that are going to be released along with her.

Quote - The platinum club forums are restricted to platinum club members, and images from that forum cannot be reposted elsewhere without Daz's permission.. I already asked them about that ages ago on a different subject.

It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

Thanks for clarifying the situation Garee, it won't be long before we can all see the pictures anyway :D

Quote - We can't do anything, or advise you of anything, regarding your personal email.  Just what's on this site ;)

no worries Jen :D 

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It's the whole "membership has it's priveledges" thing.

shame I'll never be a member...

I insist: be patience. DAZ3D won't sell V4 only to Platinum members (obviously she won't be free). In some days, The Commons will receive loads and loads of V4 previews

Quote - shame I'll never be a member...

Me neither :lol:

I felt that way for a long time. I'm strongly against subscribing to websites. The concept just irks me.

But I have to admit that they give a lot of huge discounts to Platinum Club members, and repeatedly of content I want. I have only been a member for a few months, but I have vastly increased my library of Poser content since, and I haven't spent that much money.

I got a monthly, because even though it costs more the staged impact feels lesser. If Content paradise had monthly passports I might have gotten that as well - but even though their total price is cheaper, having to pay it all at once locks me out. I still won't subscribe to most websites...

But at this point I view joining the Platinum Club the same way I view joining Costco. It is stuff I know I am going to buy, and it cuts 30-90% off the price of that stuff, and I know I would spend more than 7.95 per month... so it was just cost effective.

good reasons.. but I decided I would not be a member the day the pc released a  bullfighting range... anyone that supports that does not need my money.

JenX, speaking of posting V4 images (personally, I liked the stick figure in the other thread), what restrictions does Renderosity have on posting home-brewed animations -- the cartoon kind, not the motions kind -- using DAZ characters like V3 (e.g., Star Trek Aurora)? No nudity and offensive language, of course.

So long as they fall within the TOS (the link is on your right), Animations are fine (actually, I love seeing animations people make ;).  So I fully encourage them!) 

Quote - good reasons.. but I decided I would not be a member the day the pc released a  bullfighting range... anyone that supports that does not need my money.

Moral stance?

I can understand that. Though they only have one Matador figure far as I know. One could always use it for political themed images against bullfighting. I've taken a number of the Nazi uniforms popular on some poser sites to do a political piece against racialism. Though I do feel uncomfortable on some Japanese Poser sites as they often seem to have a romantic notion of the Nazi military (unlike Germans, who deplore that history).

But, the prevalence of bullfighting imagery on Daz is very small, unless you include the Flamenco dresses in that category. Even then it is still only a few items. Searching for 'Matador' on Daz returns 9 hits, 5 of which are a bull itself and Flamenco dresses.

moral stance? yup could be called that..  seeing the results of animal cruelty every weekend helping to transport rescued animals to foster homes.. kinda makes you look at stuff like the matador suit and feel sick thinking that outfit was created to make someone look good as they torture and slaughter an animal..

(I'm no raving animal rights fanatic.. I just help to get animals to ppl that will care and look after them. my own 2 hounds are from such rescues as are my cats)

based on jules' report, it sounds like more of the same. I reckon we gotta wait until they start posting images in the gallery here before we can see if it's any improvement in regard to joint-bending. I reckon they'll sell the usual morphs to make it look less like a 2-metre tall supermodel, so no worries there.

There are lots of offensive products here too, I just don't buy them. I also do animal rescue but that didn't stop me from getting the platinum sub. I personally think bullfighting sucks. Anyone here remember the story of Ferdinand the bull? That's about as far as bullfighting goes for me...lol
Of course there are wierd tastes every where, look at the idiots who run with the bull every year. I support it, gives the bulls a chance to get back....just kidding.  |8^P
Marque

I agree with your moral stance, btw - I find the 'sport' to be cruel at best...

I'm just saying you shouldn't presume Daz is advocating it or even approving of it. If no-one else had put up Nazi uniforms for Poser Figures, I'd be trying to - because without something with which to depict villains I wouldn't be able to get across the art I had desired when I used them.
I say take the Matador outfit, take the bull, and put them in a Poser arena and learn blood effects so you expose it for what it is.

And then submit that to one of the Daz monthly gallery contests.

back to V4:

They haven't given us much in the way of bending poses yet.

There is one with her 'tipping' a cowboy-like hat (and if you think bull fighters are a moral issue, ask this here Native American about cowboys) that shows elbows don't seem much different than before - but they don't look bad either.

The largest knee bend is at maybe 10-20 degree angle... not enough to judge.

She does have knee caps, and strong collar bones. Her form is a little more curvy - but as not as curvy as Aiko. Maybe in between Aiko and Vicky 3.

Quote - I insist: be patience. DAZ3D won't sell V4 only to Platinum members (obviously she won't be free). In some days, The Commons will receive loads and loads of V4 previews

Quote - shame I'll never be a member...

 

Me neither :lol:

Well I'd wish they'd hurry up before I run out of disposable income again....LOL!!!

Her armpits are exactly the same as V3's it seems.

I've asked for kneeling poses - from the side. Elbows bent - from the side. Etc.
And I want to see her without hair. On one of the pics her neck looks diabolically long, but I can't tell if someone is just rubbish at making her look good or if it's the hair obscuring stuff, or if it's a problem overall
Another thing I want are DECENT LOOKING TEETH!

Gawd... those fake pearlies are dreadful. Every time I make V3 (or any mil figures for that matter) smile, they blind everyone in the neighborhood!

Silke: Did you check the renders on page 58 of the thread in the Platinum Club. Very different, and the armpits are a lot better in those, in my opinion.

There's a note near that point from Dan Farr himself not liking the posts on page 1 of the thread.

Personally, I think it's absurd that Daz is only making these images available to Platinum Club members.

The rest of us (non-members), who spend money with DAZ, are somehow less worthy?

Daz I'm sure will share the previews before V4 is released, but their paying members DO deserve additional "value" for their membership. I find it hard to believe you cannot see that.

If you really want the advantages of the Plat club, then join, but don't complain when there's a perk they get that you cannot take advantage of becuse you chose not to join.

I loved it when I was a PC member. I've just been too lazy to rejoin  and there hasn't been a whole lot of items that has stuck me fancy.

maybe it'll be like Bryce; $6 for V4..;)

Quote - Personally, I think it's absurd that Daz is only making these images available to Platinum Club members.

The rest of us (non-members), who spend money with DAZ, are somehow less worthy?

according to Gareee, yes we are.

sorry M'lord. I shall go and tend your stables...

Hey, there are a lot of things I don't subscribe to, and I don't complain when I don't get those perks.

You want em, Ya buy em. 

Ya don't want to buy em, suck it up is all I'm saying.

sorry.. to busy shoveling this here horse apples for you M'lord as befits me lower station in life...

Quote - Hey, there are a lot of things I don't subscribe to, and I don't complain when I don't get those perks.

You want em, Ya buy em. 

Ya don't want to buy em, suck it up is all I'm saying.

Exactly! Unbelievable mentality about this. I have more than made up for the cost of my membership with the deals PC members get. I look at it as supporting the site and my hobby.

ok lets be clear. this is what annoys me.

you've paid for your sub. good for you!

you've decided to talk about it in a public forum. ok fine.

don't get high and mighty and look down on ppl that are not members. you are the ones discussing it in public you see... if you don't want comments that annoy you like 'we can't see it'

***Discuss it in those very same forums you've paid to see and we lesser mortals won't get in your way.

Honestly, I only popped in the thread over there to see that it did indeed exist.

I'm NOT being "high n mighty" lording it over underlings, because it's not a mattyer of someone being better then someone else.. it's a matter of someone choosing the access to the benefits or not.  That doesn't make them better or worst, it just gives them the additional benefits.

All I'm saying is if you CHOOSE to NOT have the PC club benefits, you have no one to blame but yourself. 

The ONLY reason I originally posted in the thread at all, is that people wanted to know if they could repost the images here, and I informed them they cannot.

You've seen me post many times, Khai, and ya KNOW I'm not a jerk, and am one of the "good guys", so how about cutting me some slack for trying to help people out?

so

"so how about cutting me some slack for trying to help people out?"

in the same post as " All I'm saying is if you CHOOSE to NOT have the PC club benefits, you have no one to blame but yourself. "

is helping?

I explained earlier why I don't goto the PC. but, thas my fault. thanks.

right now, with your attitude yes, you are a jerk.
sorry.

Ok, let's not turn this into an argument.  That includes unnecessarily condescending and backhanded comments. 

Jeni

Sorry Jen, you are a lot of posts to late for that.
say about the first post when not being a PC member was a bad thing according to some ppl.

Khai, you're not blameless, so let's not start that. 

Again, knock off the arguing.  Both of you. 

ok. not a prob. I admit the blame for this arguement.

I shall go back to the stables and get my shovel..

sigh  THAT is the kind of backhanded, condescending attitude I'm talking about.  You don't have to like the PC.  Or join.  But, you seem to, everywhere you can, bash it whenever it comes up.  I wonder how often you bash CP's Passport? 

Please, if you don't want to have to read about the PC, you don't have to come into the thread after it's clear that it does, in fact, involve the PC.  It's a Poser related topic, so it's ok to be in the Poser forum for members to converse about.  We'd extend the same courtesy of members of CP's Passport. 

So, can we at least lay down the pitchforks and torches, if it's impossible to bury the hatchet?

erm. I've not bashed PC at all. ever. I've questioned it's Content and explained why I won't subscirbe based on that content. remove it and I would probably join in time.
please get the facts correct.

I've bashed the Atitude surrounding it tho I admit. the case of 'if your not in it why not' that is rammed down our throats all the time.

I asked when I came in if it was possible to see V4 outside of the PC forums. that is why I came into this thread,.

you also seem to think I have a passport. I do. it's freshly Canadian. Ef one? no. not got one, never have and yes I questioned it's incepttion.

now please get the facts straight.

uh, never said you had a passport.  Simply explained that we extend the same courtesy of speaking about "inside only" stuff here as we do for PC members.  (So long as they don't break any policies, etc.)

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you tonight.  Yes, as soon as DAZ releases the images to the public, they'll be available for you to see.  I can't promise anything more than that because I don't work for DAZ.  You may want to ask over there, but I can't see that getting you anywhere.  I've said it elsewhere, I'll say it here, when it comes to software and product releases, patience is indeed a virtue.  People are antsy for P7.  People are antsy for V4.  Meanwhile (heh) I'd just settle for a cough suppressant that does what it's supposed to ;)

please read your PM's so we can resolve an issue.

I think this thread only ended up here because the Original Poster didn't realize the link they were posting didn't work for the general public. They were trying to be helpful, and goofed. My guess at least.

I at least came in somewhat realizing that, wishing I could post an image and suspecting (later confirmed) that I could not. Given that, I tried to help out and recover things by 'textually' explaining what I was seeing in the V4 snapshots...

After all, when V1 came out it was pretty much announced and primarily promoted at Renderosity. The community here has a lot of interest, and a good number of us have been barraged with a lot of hype, over which we're excited enough that its spilling over - as in this thread...

We don't need to let it go south on that. :)

People outside the PC are also aware the figure will show up at some point, and now they also know some images are open to some people... so curiousity is going to grow.

I'll take "Marketing Hype" for $100, Alex...

Just to throw a little more hype into the pool... A comment was dropped not that long ago over there that her face looks like it could have been designed by Thorne - that's the style some are seeing, and I -sort of- agree with it.

If you have access to the Platinum Club newsletter there was a shot of her eyes in that. I think that can be found without access to the Club...

After having been looking forward to V4 for sometime now I was disappointed with the first few images, however the newer ones have given me renewed hope. What I am really looking for is the abiility to enhance her facial features even more than we could with V3. The new morphing tools with Poser 7 could also help with this I hope.

I think that the reason people are getting peeved about all the hype and imagery of V4 being in the PC is that, certainly from my persepctive, the value to be gained from the PC is primarily and almost entirely the savings on content that it gives you.

That should be what you are paying for, not an 'exclusive' rundown of a release that, lets face it, the vast majority of the Poser/DS community will be very interested in, not just the PC members.

I agree that the PC is an 'exclusive club' and the people willing and able to pay for it are rightly entitled to the benefits it offers. I also think that those that do not belong to the PC don't really have much of a right to complain about what they are missing out on.

What I don't agree with however is that a mainstream product that will enjoy widespread support that is about to be released, like V4, should fall into that category. This is what makes people feel that their money and patronage isn't worth quite as much as that from the PC members.

Just my 2c.