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man, that's gonna cut way down on hits for the giant-boob pix :lol: anyway, thx fr the link.

Since I never use a thumbnail with nudity in it, not a big deal for me  but thanks, anyway.

Going to make viewing a pain, who wants to sort through that many images... plus nude pics get the most hits... in my gallery anyway!

Hmm. Going to either: a) Send the bandwidth through the roof from people having to open all those jpegs. b) Send the membership through the floor as people get tired of opening all those jpegs and say the hell with it. c) Start a =real= firestorm when someone opens a jpeg that is 'offensive', and the thumbnail gave a totally misleading impression, and the artist points out that it was within the new TOS when said offended party tries to rip into them. Next on 'As The 'Rosity Turns'.......

well, I have the feeling Renderosity is slowly becoming a MONASTERY although it's not Renderosity's fault rule is rule.
Specially my work which I use very seldom cloths on figures, now I have to make a standard and special thumbnails showing no nuduty what a boring issue.
I wonder what will come next, maybe they will ask from us do a render without a figure.

OK, No nudity on thumbnails? fine I have to live with it although it's not understandable.
Let me ask this, one sees the thumbnail without nudity and opens the image BOOOOOOOM there the image is completely nudity now where is the difference thumbnails are not allowed nudity but the content of the image nudity is allowed what kind of rules are this.

The solution is like other gallery websites separate the galley into only nudity and non nudity section whoever is offended should even not go to that section.

dphoadley @ wheatpenny
But the thumbnail is generated automatcally with the upload, so how do we keep out the nudity.  I NEVER make special thumbnails for my renders.  One of the reasons that I prefer Renderosith over 'rotica is that it SAVES me thath headache.
David P. Hoadley

The new TOS says thumbnails can have  "Tasteful breast exposure. No areola or nipple exposure, and no transparent fabric." Does that mean I can stick yellow stars on the naughty parts like they do in the ads seen in the back of certain magazines?

Dell B said exactly what I did on the front page post... and amen!

Yanno - like this....

ya could have just put the jellyfish as the thumb velsh :D thats totally nude but got no bits that ya can see :D

As the announcement says, if there is nudity in the image then you will have to make a thumbnail with no nudity in it. You cannot use the automatic thumbnail feature if there is nudity in the image.

no more pics from me I think.
I just keep looking and the photography session.
and by the way I find that pic above offensive. So delete if vel.

Quote - ya could have just put the jellyfish as the thumb velsh :D thats totally nude but got no bits that ya can see :D

I had to ask before they stopped allowing nudity/partial nudity in forum posts.

Quote - c) Start a =real= firestorm when someone opens a jpeg that is 'offensive', and the thumbnail gave a totally misleading impression, and the artist points out that it was within the new TOS when said offended party tries to rip into them. Next on 'As The 'Rosity Turns'.......

The person uploading the image is still responsible for flagging their image "nudity" or "violence", and the nudity and / or violence  filters will be picking up on those  flags just like it has before.

This is just changing the way thumbnails are displayed, not the gallery images or the requirement to flag images with the nudity or violence flags.

Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically.  Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well!  This is truly a piece of crap!
DPH

Quote - The new TOS says thumbnails can have  "Tasteful breast exposure. No areola or nipple exposure, and no transparent fabric." Does that mean I can stick yellow stars on the naughty parts like they do in the ads seen in the back of certain magazines?

I don't know about "yellow stars" but Stacey is going to bring up the matter of using black bars across the whole areas in qustion  during a meeting tomorrow.  So hang tight. She said she would clarify once a decision has been made.

Quote - Moxie,

I will talk to the rest of the team and see about the "black bars". We have a meeting tomorrow and we will discuss this amongst the admin and then with the mods/coords.
I do understand to some degree what you are saying here so we will discuss.
I'll clarify once a decision has been reached.

Yup not a problem here. It is going to be a bit annoying though .
I still don't see how the thumbnails won't be misleading now. Especially since the "contains" tags under them are on the small side. O.o

An understandable move, but hope it all works out for the best. 

Quote - Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically.  Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well!  This is truly a piece of crap!
DPH

Forgive me, but didn't we all have to make our own thumbnails at one time until only quite recently? I think it's only been for the last year or less that thumbnails have been automatically generated by the system.

Thanks Acadia. So what about the million plus thumbs that have nipples already? Will they be grandfathered in or images deleted?**
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Quote - Thanks Acadia. So what about the million plus thumbs that have nipples already? Will they be grandfathered in or images deleted?**
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Yes, from what I understand this new change only applies to images going forwards.

Cool.

BTW - that is one helluva nice cat you got in that avatar.

Quote - > Quote - Yes, but before when I tagged one of my images as being nude, the thumbnail was generated automatically.  Now, it's not enough that I tag it as nude, I have to go and make a special thumbnail as well!  This is truly a piece of crap!

DPH

Forgive me, but didn't we all have to make our own thumbnails at one time until only quite recently? I think it's only been for the last year or less that thumbnails have been automatically generated by the system.

That'sright, and that's why I posted very few images before.
DPH

It only takes a few seconds to create a thumbnail.   It's really pretty easy and you don't have to do anything special to upload it other than to just browse for it on your hard drive like you do the image.  I keep my thumnail and image together in the same directory and put "_Thumb" after it so it's right next to the image I'm looking to upload.

I did up a basic guide on how to resize images and create thumbnails. Maybe that will help you make thumbnails?

A PSP tut doesn't exactly help ME with Photoshop.
DPH

I can help you with the photoshop one too :) 

The only thing is that my computer is on the verge of dying permanently and I'm afraid to do much more than visit forums right now, and I won't have my new computer until later this week or early next.  But once I'm back up and running on my new computer I'll do up a more indepth tutorial and cover photoshop for you.

I use Photoshop, I'll try and get a Photoshop tutorial together tomorrow sometime, if you like.

I understand the need for the new rules, but I hope this isn't the first of many changes to come.  You know what they say about giving up freedoms.  Once you give up one, the next one is much easier to loose.

Anyway, I like artful Thumbnails, so like I said, I don't mind.

Quote - I use Photoshop, I'll try and get a Photoshop tutorial together tomorrow sometime, if you like.

I understand the need for the new rules, but I hope this isn't the first of many changes to come.  You know what they say about giving up freedoms.  Once you give up one, the next one is much easier to loose.

Anyway, I like artful Thumbnails, so like I said, I don't mind.

Thank you, that would be wonderful :)

Would you mind covering the following?

Sometimes a gallery image ends up too big in file size and needs to be compressed too much which results in loss of image quality.  So what I do instead of just reszing the image, I select the whole image, contract by X number of pixels (often 5 pixels on all sides, to start). Then I "crop to selection". This reduces the dimensions of the image without affecting the quality of the picture itself.  So if you could cover that for Photoshop that would be terrific.

How to resize using "Bicubuc Resampling" to maintain maximum image quality.

And also the "Save to Web" feature to obtain the a file size within the guideline limits.

From other comments I've read leading up to this, I'm in favor, I suppose. :sigh:  This is part of the NSFW movement (Not Safe For Work).  Personally, I NEVER visit Rendo at work. Period!  I do NOT want my boss thinking I'm using the business internet browsing PORN!  Things like THAT can cost people their jobs.

It doesn't matter if it's lunch-time, or after work, or you're on break.....people can lose jobs because of the OVERWHELMING ,almost psychotic, paranoia afflicting some parts of the world now.

A sad state of affairs in the USA, now.  I guess the challenge is coming up with kick-ass, evocative thumbnails that draw people in with curiosity.

meh.

Does this new rule only apply to humanoid shaped figures or does it apply just as equally to the animals? It might sound like a silly question but we are (underneath the clothes) merely animals ourselves, just slightly less intelligent than the rest.

Lucifer_The_Dark: good question! We hadn't considered that one. Off the top of my head, I'm going to say a thumbnail focusing on a donkey's doodah will not be welcome... but I can't see there being any problem with a full-size shot of a donkey who just happens to have a penis.

I see a wave of horse bra and cow girdle props coming..;)

Quote - From other comments I've read leading up to this, I'm in favor, I suppose. :sigh:  This is part of the NSFW movement (Not Safe For Work).  Personally, I NEVER visit Rendo at work. Period!  I do NOT want my boss thinking I'm using the business internet browsing PORN!  Things like THAT can cost people their jobs.

ummm....why are you lookin at pics on rendo when your workin anyway? surely you should be umm..... working?

@ zollster  You didn't quote the entire post about looking at the internet on BREAK or LUNCH!  If you want to quote, quote the whole thing so it will make sense.  Quoting out of context is as bad as making up quotes and attributing the words to other people.

Next time get it right before opening your mouth.

Quote - ummm....why are you lookin at pics on rendo when your workin anyway? surely you should be umm..... working?

Surely you jest? browsing websites was the only thing that made work bearable for me & I still managed to do more work than most of the people I worked with. :D

thats cos they must all be a bunch of slackers! :D

@ Acadia - Don't worry, I'll include what you've mentioned!  I'll try and have it up by the end of today.  (Just pulled a night shift, so not sure how much longer I'll be awake.)

(Oh, and occasionally I stop by Rendo while at work, because, I am a slacker!  Well, either that or because my job sometimes involves babysitting a computer for half an hour at a time while it does its own thing at 2am, eh, call it what you will.)

I work at home so I can surf the net at work with impunity

Quote - thats cos they must all be a bunch of slackers! :D

That's one way to describe them I guess :D I still wake up some nights in a cold sweat remembering my time working with them.

Sorry to bust in here, since I hardly post at the forums.

For me, this is a great rule. Why? I mainly post in the C4D galleries, because I use that program to render and model clothes, hair and props for my imported Poser figures. I would like to have more people from the C4D section to see my images, because I consider them artistic nudity and would like critisism on my lighting and modeling.

But I don't get critisism, because most of them have the nuditiy filter on to avoid facing Z-cups and other tasteless shit while their 10-year-olds are playing in the back of the room. Very understandable.

That's why I think this is a good rule. People can turn off the nudity filter, and view images that they find interesting that DO contain nudity, only they have a CHOICE which is not the case when nudity is allowed in thumbnails.

I'm actually quite sick and tired of people mocking this new rule, without considering that this is an ART gallery, not a Poser community. What harm would it do to give a little, to gain considerably more. Damn, this might even get you to receive comments from talented and renowned artists that right now still have their nudity filter on!

So...end of rant. Sorry about this, just had to share my opinion. Please do understand that 95% of gallery is nude, and so are my thumbs. It will take some time to adjust, but I do believe that it's in the best interest of this versatile community and that's what really matters.

Take care,
Sabra

One of the things that makes this place so attractive to people is that we can have fun, as long as we all follow them we can mock the new rules as much as we like.

So Lets all MOCK ON!!!! :b_grin:

Fun is fun. It involves laughing and moving on.

Mocking people that are trying to make this website a better community and cluttering the galleries with useless thumbnails to boycot this rule is childish and not fit for an art site.

Just my opinion.

I'm still waithing for the button that'll weed out the non-nudes!  Who needs artistic crap, just give me the Z-Cup porn!
DPH

Makes you wonder why they have thumbnails at all if it causes this much fuss when they change the rules, why not just do away with thumbnails totally? you can't complain about seeing "boobies" in a thumbnail if there isn't a thumbnail can you? But then this would be a really boring website without the thumbnails wouldn't it?

Yes, it would be a boring site without thumbnails. I agree wholeheartedly.

But is it too much to ask to alter your thumbs you a little? I mean, I posted thumbs with nudity and I don't mind because I figure, if this is in the best interest of our community then I'll deal with it.

All I'm saying is, make some minor concessions. For those who aren't into over-sized, exposed Poser models. For those who can recognise a good image but it's thumb even if it doesn't contain nudity.

Take care,
Sabra

P.S. I'm curious though, Lucifer_The_Dark, you have a strong opinion on the matter yet I remember seeing you don't post any images?

My last word... first the galleries became more and more restrictive via the TOS.  Then posted replies to subjects like this are screened and censored... now thumbnails.  The morality of a few who find nudity offensive should not be thrust upon others who don't.  I go with if it bothers you... don't look.  I support freedom and artist expression... and hate censorship!  I find the whole moral majority offensive... it's vanity to force your morals and beliefs on another.  I find the Christian churches main icon of the crucifix offensive, but I drive by them all the time without looking, and I find their literature on my door offensive, but do I rant on there door steps... no I toss it in with the trash and go on about my business.  The whole point I'm trying to make... we continually cave in to a few... and we lose more and more of our freedoms.

P.S. Why do I find the Church offensive... through their actions and vanity of thinking their way to "God" is the only way... they nearly obliterated the language and religion of my peoples. I'm native American and darn proud it:)!!!!

I think everyone here has a valid point concerning this issue. While some of us love the bare naked boobs, others find them offensive and tasteless, this is an issue of one side meeting the other half way. We also have to remember that there are several community members that are...shall we say "underage", and yes we do have to be responsible and remember to use those pesky flags.

Don't show the whole boob, show some cleveage, or under boob, the side of a hip, a sexy pair of legs or sexy lips, something that says this is sexy, and flag your image as nude, that way we all win.

And please if you're going to post a nude image please, please, please, make it tasteful. If I want  to see rauchy images I go to Renderotica.

Quote - P.S. I'm curious though, Lucifer_The_Dark, you have a strong opinion on the matter yet I remember seeing you don't post any images?

You're absolutely right, I chose a long time ago (while using a different name) not to post any of the renders I do anywhere, mostly because they're not good enough & partly because I hardly ever get to a point where I can stand back & say that's finished.

I personally don't worry about whether someone is going to be peering over my shoulder wondering what I'm looking at but if someone else has to then I don't see how making a thumbnail without added nudity is going to help, just being on this site is enough to get them in trouble.

ps sometimes you don't have to see a thumbnail to know whether the picture behind it is going to be good, hang around the galleries long enough you know who the ones to watch out for are.

I actually agree also that is a wonderful rule. Here's why:

1. Places like www.cgsociety.org look a lot more professional. Why? Because some 10 year old didn't find the bigger boobs morph on his V3/V4 and wish to show it to us, in 90% of the posted images. I can understand artistic nudity, but Renderosity has become primarily a place to show off objectified and unrealistically proportioned women to the world.

2. As someone aspiring to become an artist at this, I prefer to be able to scan through Rosity during my lunch hour, trying to find images that catch my eye, that I can learn from, without fear of a coworker seeing something and it becoming an HR issue, or a rumourmill.

3. Just grow up. It's a thumbnail. So you can't show boobies. Oh boo hoos.

I have a few questions, you'll see what I'm getting at....

1. How many people here are women?
2. How many have children?
3. How many breast fed or feed ?
4. How many had to do so in the toilets of restaurants for fear of upsetting other customers?

Thumbnails today but what else tomorrow?