" Money does not stink " (Pecunia non olet) - or how can one explain himself this here, otherwise?:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewImage=65744

Umm.. not sure what your point is here?

jonthecelt

dphoadley @ GabyTrautmann
Two Points:

1. The offneding pic is on the second page of the MP gallery item, so it isn't readily viewable to the random browser.  He has to actually LOOK forit.
2. Above the link that leads to said picture, is this warning: *Click to view larger image (NOTE: Sample images may contain content not suitable for all audiences.)

*All of this is in keeping with the MP TOS.  So tell me, what exactly is your problem?  Or are you just trying to 'Out Ceasar, Ceasr' in the bluenose department.
DPH

While I'm no fan of the "new" nudity rules,  **i think you're out of line with this!
**
You've directly linked to the "additional" product image, not the main product image which doesn't contain nudity at all which is the first image any viewer of that product would see!

Well, there are lots of those little nude Aiko elves and fairies all through the marketplace, but you can't see any of em unless you click on the box for more sample images.  You can't expect someone to buy a character/skin texture unless they can see what it looks like.

I suppose it's possible that somebody might go into the marketplace and start clicking all the additional image boxes just to see nude Aiko. This seems a little sad to me... but if they do, where's the harm?  It's just a naked body.  We've all got one :D

Going to the front page of the ad for this you don't get any nudity & just for the record there's literally tons of pages in the MP with second or 3rd promo images that have nudity, why pick just this one to complain about?

Madrigal I keep my naked body in the deep freeze in case the police turn up, where's yours?

ps the line about the body in the deep freeze is actually a joke for those that don't understand British humour. :D

They forced the nudity switch.
They banned forbiden products.
They banned forbiden words in products.
They banned nudity from the first promo image of the products.
Now they banned nudity from thumbs.
What do you want??, to ban all nudity from product's promo images?, to ban any nudity related product?, to ban any nudity in the galleries and in the end, why not to ban Poser too?
Do you know that Poser is against the sacred teachings written in the Holly Bible?

I think that someone was simply bored, or trying to raise a ruckus as to whether nude Aiko equals instant Pedophilia, or both.  Or maybe this is just a troll getting his and/or her jollies.
DPH

Quote - Do you know that Poser is against the sacred teachings written in the Holly Bible?

To which Bible are you refering to?  I wasn't aware of any such ban -at least not in the Jewish Hebrew Bible.
DPH

Child nudity?

Yaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnn............

Did they have Poser in Biblical times???? 

Quote - To which Bible are you refering to?  I wasn't aware of any such ban -at least not in the Jewish Hebrew Bible.

I don't know how much different is the Torah from the Old Testament.

Exodus 20:4, Derteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath.

Deuteronomy 4:16-18
Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the simultude of any figure,
the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that is on the earth,
the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on
the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.

Deuteronomy 4:23
Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget ... and mke you a graven image,
or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee.

**Deuteronomy 27:15
 **Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD,   the work of the hands of the craftsman.

But that only applies to Christians Kawecki, the rest of the human race is actually living in the 21st century, here we do things how WE want not how some LONG DEAD fiction writer thinks we should.

Quote - > Quote - To which Bible are you refering to?  I wasn't aware of any such ban -at least not in the Jewish Hebrew Bible.

I don't know how much different is the Torah from the Old Testament.

Exodus 20:4, Derteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath.

Deuteronomy 4:16-18
Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the simultude of any figure,
the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that is on the earth,
the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on
the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.

Deuteronomy 4:23
Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget ... and mke you a graven image,
or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee.

**Deuteronomy 27:15
 **Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD,   the work of the hands of the craftsman.

All very fine and good, but were does it ban nudity?  And believe me I knew the Torah, and in its original tongue, and not by way of a long list of mis-translations.
David P. Hoadley
PS: It is a special mitzva to read in the Synagogue every Sabbath Eve the Song of  Songs in its entirity as a reminicence of thespecial love between G-d and his people Israel - and how much more of a graphic discription of physical love can you find. 
It is a grave mistake to try to impress  Christian prejudices, inherited from the Gnostic Greeks, onto the Semitic faith of Abraham.  Judaism believes in modesty, but not in prudery.

Very cute character....Thanks for the link.

Quote - All very fine and good, but were does it ban nudity?

It's  not about nudity, it bans Poser itself!!!
You cannot represent any living organism in pictures or sculptures, it's worst that the Koran than only bans humans leaving the pictures with only birds and animals.

Quote - But that only applies to Christians Kawecki, the rest of the human race is actually living in the 21st century, here we do things how WE want not how some LONG DEAD fiction writer thinks we should.

The problem is that this small group of people is trying that us, who are living in the third millenium, to return back four mileniums in time!!! Even Romans were too much perverted for them!

You know SWAMP in all the fuss I didn't even notice, you're right she is cute :D I might have to dust off my copy of Aiko & get her, I'm beginning to wonder if Freja paid GabyT to start this thread?

Freja I'm kidding ;) you have some really nice looking characters & other stuff in your store :D

Kawecki anyone tries to make me go back 4 millennia I'll go naked & that's not something to be taken lightly trust me on that :D

This goes to far....I think of getting a nudity flag for my mirror in my bedroom. :D

You must cover the mirror, it not only allows you to see your perverted nudity, but also attracts lightnings and thunders!

Lucifer, I have the body of a 16 year old!

I keep him in the cellar....

I just bought Thorne's Miette

market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php

so my cutemeter is at full just now, but she is very nice.

I actually got this character because I accidentally applied the character Stratus McLeod (sp?) for Hiro to Aiko - and it worked pretty well.  So my bf and I thought - what if you could do it the other way around?  And yes, she makes a very cute he... it's the mouth. We have a lot of trouble morphing Hiro's mouth so it doesn't look Hiro.

This is a partly pure hypocrisy - I repeat it: "Pecunia non olet"

:ohmy:

What the hell I am getting wrong here?

Thanks for the work unsafe warning for that link GabyT :(

Timberwolf you ask " what is wrong here? ".

Several pictures have been removed me from the Renderosity-Administration from my Gallery because they contained supposedly pornography. Then, however, pictures are shown in the marketplace close to child pornography are. If is no hypocrisy - what then?

The gallery and the marketplace have two different sets of TOS. In the gallery, nudity of figures that seem to be underage are not allowed, for fear of cries of child porn. However, because people make textures for all figures, including those who look underage, images are needed to show off those textures. Since this involves skin, then the images tend to be (gasp!) nude. however, thse naked images, whether of adults or otherwise, are not allowed to be the front page image of the marketplace item, and are placed as the second or third image, with the clear warning that the images may contain material that some might consider offensive. There's simply no other way to market a skin texture. It's not a case of money greasing the wheel, it's simply the only fair way to let people sell their wares.

Talking of violating TOS, however... you have twice now linked to images or sites which contain nudity, without any flag or warning within either your post or the thread itself. Please, if you're going to use a site, learn ALL of its rules before condemning people's practices.

jonthecelt

Quote - > Quote - All very fine and good, but were does it ban nudity?

It's  not about nudity, it bans Poser itself!!!
You cannot represent any living organism in pictures or sculptures, it's worst that the Koran than only bans humans leaving the pictures with only birds and animals.

Interesting interpretation, but wrong as always when someone relies on a translation of the text, rather than on the text itself.  The ban her is on idolitry, not art, unless you actually bow down and pray to your poser pictures.  Then of curse, the ban would be upon you, but not upon me.
DPH

Ahh,OK.Let's share some aggreements first: Porn -if you like it -Ok.Child-Porn has nothing to do with Sex-It is a disgusting Crime.Concerning that market-place picture I don't see it close to child porn .I see it close to a cartoon Elf or whatsoever.Not my kind but who likes it -ok.Maybe we need a cartoon-flag here.There might be a different problem.In times of plastic surgery pleople especially young people might get some wrong kind of self awareness and how there Bodies should look like.There should be some kind of education about how to deal with media.I am afraid that a lot of people today are not able to differ between Reality and Fiction.

I'm with you there, Timberwolf. Whilst I did'nt bring it up in my last post, there is a huge difference between nudity and porn - whatefver age the subject is. To say that a  nude image of a cartoonesque person who might look underage if you squinted hard enough is child porn is ridiculous - pornogrpahy is in the intent to titillate or cause arousal, and I'm not sure how a simple nude image could do that without an eortic or sexual context.

Whereas judging by the few pictures I looked at at your site, Gaby, are certainly in a sexual or erotic context. I have no way of knowing which images you attempted to show here in the gallery, but based on the few pictures I saw, I believe the admin were right to ask you to remove them from this site.

Note that this is not condemning your imagery, or decrying porn as filth - as Timberwolf said, each to their own. But to claim that your images weren't sexually graphic, and then that a simple standing nude of an Aiko texture is somehow kiddy-porn? That's frankly ludicrous.

jonthecelt

Here we go again!! FFS when are people going to get it into their heads Child porn by it's very nature has to include at least one REAL child. Anything else is down to the warped mind of the individual viewing it.

Gaby I suggest that if you think the MP here is a haven for Child Pornography then you shouldn't be looking at it, & posting the link to your website on here which has porn included in it is against the TOS so be prepared to get slapped for that when a Mod notices it.

Still one more funny thing:The old clichee is , that porn pics are made up by young simple minded men who never get to know real women, whereas those nude elves are brought up by well educated women tending to the esoteric scene => Young innocent elves representing the good spirits of mother earth are flying smiling through a farytale forrest.

@Lucifer

*Thanks for the work unsafe warning for that link GabyT :(

*D'ya think the clue might be in the title?

@ Gaby: I somehow understand your point,but I simply think you are wrong this time.

Quote - @Lucifer

*Thanks for the work unsafe warning for that link GabyT :(

*D'ya think the clue might be in the title?

Not really, there's no hint in the Renderosity name is there & this place is just as unsafe for work isn't it?

*You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

*That is from the Ten Commandments, myself I always though that kind of precluded getting a photo driver's license or doodling daisies while taking a boring phone call.

ps it's common curtesy (sp) if you know your link is unsafe for the workplace to include somewhere a warning, no matter if the link says fluffy-bunnies-are-cute or filthy-disgusting-acts-of-perversion it's still in the poster's best interest to include a warning, at least round here it is anyway ;)

At least we now know the original poster's real intention wasn't to complain about any "perceived" child porn on this site it was just to advertise their own place.

*Not really, there's no hint in the Renderosity name is there & this place is just as unsafe for work isn't it?

*Well, that's true... but i think you have to take a certain responsibility if you click on a link with 'erotic' in the title while you are at work. I mean, the word itself is a warning to the likely content.

Quote - *Not really, there's no hint in the Renderosity name is there & this place is just as unsafe for work isn't it?

*Well, that's true... but i think you have to take a certain responsibility if you click on a link with 'erotic' in the title while you are at work. I mean, the word itself is a warning to the likely content.

Point taken :D I didn't actually take any notice of what the link said until after I hit it, never a good idea really.

I'm sorry, I linked to a nude image as well - I didn't notice the thread wasn't flagged :(

yes you did didn't you, naughty naughty Madrigal!!! brings up a valid point to my mind though, the picture you linked to isn't intended to be porn or to cause shock/disgust, the ones at the site that GabyT links to are designed to do exactly that.

I bet Gaby would have a coronary if they visited FairieWylde if they have the reaction they've had to a single Fae type picture here.

I agree with kawecki and Gaby. In the last few years it seems my country ( USA ) has descended into a new era of McCarthyism. Free speech, in all its forms, is withering under such a never ending barrage of politically motivated assaults by fanatic special interest  groups that it is in danger of disappearing altogether.
People are actually being jailed, harassed or driven into bankruptcy for saying, writng, or graphically representing an idea that somebody somewhere claims to find offensive. In my own home town, an eighteen year old severely mentally retarded boy was arrested and jailed for uttering a racial epithet in the presence of some minority students while they were boarding a bus. This child has the I.Q. of a five year old, and had no idea the word he used was in bad taste. He was just repeating a term he'd picked up from a movie or an overheard conversation. But that didn't stop the local "justice" system from putting him in handcuffs and locking him in a jail cell when a complaint was lodged. Because his parents are poor and could not afford to hire a lawyer or post bond, the boy spent several days held prisoner in an unfamiliar, hostile, frightening world he could not understand. Thanks to public outcry the charges were eventually dropped, but I wonder what would have happened if no one had protested this outrage?
Those who own and control the Renderosity site have every right to regulate the content that appears in the medium they pay for. This is not a publicly owned resource, but an asset of a financial enterprise. But does having the ability and legal right to enforce a policy justify its use? In this instance, I do not believe it does. After all, we are dealing here with graphic artistic representations, not reality itself.

GabyTrautmann:

Quote - Timberwolf you ask " what is wrong here? ".

Your behavior here in the forum is very inappropriate, and your concerns need to be taken to site management, not here.

Ok, I'm usually not one to step into an argument of this subject, but, I gotta lay my two cents out...

1. Gaby, your site is pure pornography, plain and simple.  Most particular the photo section of real models in some pretty disgusting poses.
2. The pic you put a link to for your MP example is not viewable unless you click the thumbnail on the main page that states there is nudity in the pic.
   3) For you to say that your stuff and the promo pics are similar is totally laughable.
3. How you think this looks like a child is beyond me.  Is it because the model is represented as being under 6ft tall?

Finally, the promo pic is showing the texture of the product, it does not look like a child nor is it pornographic.  So, until the little elves start posing with their ankles behind their ears with a magnifying glass, this argument has no merit what-so-ever.

My eyes were shocked of what they've found after entering the "favela".
How dare you to perturb the prayer chanting in his minareb!

christianity dont like poser cos poser is a different religion and it has only 3 commandments---- "though shalt only render nekkid vickis with big boobies"
"though shalt put vicki in a temple"
"though shalt give an oversized sword that noone in reallife could lift"

Quote - My eyes were shocked of what they've found after entering the "favela".
How dare you to perturb the prayer chanting in his minareb!

Pray & chant all you want just don't expect me not to laugh about it or to join in.

a while back I worked as a marketplace tester for a few months, so I have pretty good familiaroty with the Marketplace TOS. Marketplace guidelines specifically say no nudity on the ***first ***image only. It is allowed on any additional images.
So unless the MP has changed its policy, that image is not a violation.

Quote - > Quote - To which Bible are you refering to?  I wasn't aware of any such ban -at least not in the Jewish Hebrew Bible.

I don't know how much different is the Torah from the Old Testament.

Exodus 20:4, Derteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath.

Deuteronomy 4:16-18
Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the simultude of any figure,
the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that is on the earth,
the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on
the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.

Deuteronomy 4:23
Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget ... and mke you a graven image,
or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee.

**Deuteronomy 27:15
 **Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD,   the work of the hands of the craftsman.

K,
This was in reference to making an IDOL and then saying this is GOD to WORSHIP.