"Quote - "My Point Exactly... Why would one take it to "The Membership" to investigate a problem...only Renderosity can solve?"

***"You know, that applies equally to your own posts. ***

 Uhh..Did I "Start" this thread? Last time I recall "Brining anything to the staff" was done via E-mail...Not Publicly.

*** Maybe you should quiet down and let the site admin team answer this. ***

So..Suddenly I don't qualify to reply to a "Public" Post?... An Admin "Did" reply...but went ignored for the most part.

If this was an "Admins Only Reply" thread...I wasn't aware...Perhaps it should have been mentioned in the original post as well.

***At the very least ease up on the rudeness and melodrama, this isn't a friggin soap opera. ***

Rudeness, and Melodrama?...Okay..I got a belly laugh out of that one...Perhaps you should re-read the thread to see where the "Drama" is.

I am sorry if it pains you to read facts..But as they say."The Truth Hurts" (Who the hell is "They" anyway?)

In no way did My posts, describe anything other than what can be confirmed in this very thread...and at no time did I fabricate,or misrepresent anything or anyone...I only offered up fact's and  "My Opinions". If you think those opinions are rude..I apologize...but I do try my best to give the benefit of the doubt, before it becomes "Evident to me" otherwise.

Then..and only then...Do I call a Spade A Spade. (Again...Perhaps I fall short sometimes...but I do try)

In fact...I did fall short...I was in the middle of going to check my history logs and writing a reply(The Oops .. Forgot To Add Reply), when I saw your Post which revealed to me that no explanation or help would suffice. That Post was originally going to be an explanation of "How" your E-Mail address was acquired...Not that the Spammer sent the E-mail via your Home page.(That Email address could have been harvested weeks ago...but only Deployed recently)

So I failed to finish my effort...and for that..I apologize.

Additionally..It was not my intent to imply that Matrix "Caused" the Poser forum thread to be locked...but rather the direction the "Replies"were going was a possible cause. I Believe that "Some" here are genuinely concerned about this, but not all are motivated by "concern" in they're replies, but rather choose to cover they're ears, and closing they're eyes, while shaking they're head saying "La La La La La La La".....when possible explanations are expressed.

I'm concerned about my credit card info, not counting coup with you."

So...Do you make a habit of taking your Credit Card concerns to a public forum,rather than with the Administration?

Tom

Crap..My Spell Checker changed all of my "their" To "they're"..too late to edit.

So, when people try to make explainations for something that seems out of the ordinary....it's melodramatic?  If you're talking about the way Tom posts...well, uh, he's always posted that way.  It's like I said about my own posts...if you're reading more into it than there actually is, it's not his fault.          
So, the thread in the Poser forum was locked.  Karen gave a good reason.  Because folk are hashing it out Here.  Not some super-secret FBI lockdown, no scammers involved, just a simple "let's keep it all in one place". 
So, instead of going on and on about EACH OTHER and how much we're all annoyed by each other, we can either figure out the problem, or we can point fingers.  One is productive, one isn't. 
Also, getting a spam email has NO bearing on your credit card information.  I worked for years in Security for Mastercard, and I can tell you that you put your credit card at more risk when you use it at the grocery store than you do when you use it online.  And, besides, once your information is input to the stores' system, it is highly encrypted.  The only information the store gets is that a sale is made, and by whom.  The only time they get your address is when they need to send something to you.  "But why is it input?" you ask?  Excellent question.  It's one of the things that's automatically checked by the issuing bank when you make a purchase.  If the info doesn't match, the transaction is declined. 
Anyway, really, people have disputed that the spam is only coming to Renderosity-linked addresses.  It's not.  Is it a coincidence?  Yes, and a hell of a coincidence.   Does that irrefutably mean that Rendo is at fault, or, even more suspicious, selling our email addresses?  No.  It means that a hell of a lot of people were hit with spam. 
Also, last point...it was brought to attention in the Poser Forum thread that some people never sent out of their old email, so it shouldn't be a problem.  If you get spam once, and it doesn't "bounce back", you will get more spam.  Why?  You didn't reply out of that email address, right?  Well, if your email didn't bounce back as an unuseable email address, that means you're golden.  It works, so here comes the spam.

i didn't get this spam and i don't actually get any spam, but was curious to know if anyone knows where my spam might be in my email options, if it had been filtered, was wondering if it is automatically destroyed or if it is stored anywhere that i should probally check and destroy if i found any, or would it tell me that i had some or not.

Hawkfyr:

Quote - To expose one (Or several) of trying to sensationalize something, while at the same time, wasting the time of "Everyone Involved".(except for those participating in the Sensationalizing that is)

Melodramatic and rude.

Quote - Either way...I've decided It simply isn't worth my time to help solve anymore.. Especially to those who have no interest other than conspiracies, and have no appreciation of those attempting to help.
So....I've lost interest in playing the game...

Melodramatic (and misinformed, as I pointed out to you earlier).

Quote - My Point Exactly... Why would one take it to "The Membership" to investigate a problem...only Renderosity can solve?
 
Unless they had another motivation.

Melodramatic and rude.

Dude, really, you don't have any secret gossipy dirt here, you're just showing your ignorance of how mail works.  It's okay to not understand how email works, but it's not okay to blab at length about it when you don't.  You threatened to take your ball and go home a long time ago, remember?

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Quote - In no way did My posts, describe anything other than what can be confirmed in this very thread...and at no time did I fabricate,or misrepresent anything or anyone...

Obviously mistaken as your quotes above show.  I mean, unless you're telepathic across global distances, which would be quite impressive.

Jenx

Quote - So, when people try to make explainations for something that seems out of the ordinary....it's melodramatic?  If you're talking about the way Tom posts...well, uh, he's always posted that way.  It's like I said about my own posts...if you're reading more into it than there actually is, it's not his fault.

His explanation is demonstrably wrong.  And as I've told you before, I have little interest in your history of people kowtowing to you, or his.  If you're rude, I will feel entirely comfortable to call you on it, thanks.

Quote - Jenx

Quote - So, when people try to make explainations for something that seems out of the ordinary....it's melodramatic?  If you're talking about the way Tom posts...well, uh, he's always posted that way.  It's like I said about my own posts...if you're reading more into it than there actually is, it's not his fault.

His explanation is demonstrably wrong.  And as I've told you before, I have little interest in your history of people kowtowing to you, or his.  If you're rude, I will feel entirely comfortable to call you on it, thanks.

Oh, but if we were to do the same, you'd pitch the same fit you have in EVERY thread I've ever encountered you in.

Whatever.

IMHO, YOU are the one being rude.  (no one else, btw.  tom may have been being facetious, but pissing you off doesn't equate to being rude.)

Anyway, suggestions were made.  Those who made those suggestions were told they were wrong, said to not know wtf they were talking about, etc.  But, of course, that's not rude.  Especially in a 'talking down to you' manner.  

Really, you get bent out of shape too easily.  A deep breath before getting pissed works wonders.

If you are rude in every thread I encounter you in, yes, I might do that. 

whatever.
pjz99 ftw.
again.

"Disagreement" and "Rudeness" are not synonyms.  They don't mean the same thing.

Making a sharp (and very obvious) point doesn't comprise "rudeness", either.

Rudeness would be exemplified by engaging in name-calling.  Not by pointing out to someone where they are wrong about something.

But -- accusing people of being "rude" is one method of attempting to shame one's opponent into shutting up -- when you don't like to hear the things that they are saying.  The accusation of "rudeness" (in this context) doesn't address the facts of the case.

Not to mention the additional fact that Tom was in no way, shape, or form being "rude".  He was just being right -- which, admittedly, can be extremely irritating to some.  And they might interpret their internal irritation over being wrong to mean that the other person in the discussion is being "rude" to them.

This thread needs to be kept on topic of the original post and not go down the path of personal issues or it will end up being locked. Please keep on topic and leave the personal out of the discussions.

Quote - He was just being right -- which, admittedly, can be extremely irritating to some.

Pardon me, but Hawkfyr's info is largely wrong.  Thanks.

Some of it might be a matter of opinion.  And that's the rub, isn't it?

But he was most definitely spot-on with his comments in regards to attitudes.

And much of it is simply in error, not a matter of opinion.  Thanks.

That is your view pjz99 but that doesn't make your comments fact either, everyone is entitiled to their view or opinion .. Please keep this thread on topic of the ORIGINAL post.

Thanks

You are certainly entitled to your personal opinion of me...so I have no argument's with most of your post.

Apparently we have differing views on what "Rude and Melodramatic" are.

However

Dude, really, you don't have any secret gossipy dirt here,

Not sure where Gossip entered the picture here..but...Perhaps you can enlighten me.

You're just showing your ignorance of how mail works.  It's okay to not understand how email works...

...Said the one with the Spam Problem, and offers nothing more than copies of E-mail Properties.

BTW..When's the last time "You" ran a site even close to this size?

but it's not okay to blab at length about it when you don't.

You are right..It's not okay....But ...I didn't

I Blabbed" at length about the dynamics of the thread...I only began to explore the "Possibility" of JeniferC's Post after it went ignored,and stopped halfway through after realizing it would be fruitless,and that no amount of "Proof" (Which BTW...you have offered up NONE to the contrary) will satisfy those hell bent on conspiracy.

Again I'll ask When's the last time "You" ran a site even close to this size? There comes a point when it becomes evident that some folks are simply "Un-Pleas-Able".

"You threatened to take your ball and go home a long time ago, remember?"

No...I don't remember that... However...I do recall saying I was not going to further any attempt's to "Help Solve" the riddle.

Perhaps that is what you are referring too.

If it is...I'll quote myself.(At least "I" know it's accurate)

"Either way...I've decided It simply isn't worth my time to help solve anymore.. Especially to those who have no interest other than conspiracies, and have no appreciation of those attempting to help.

So....I've lost interest in playing the game...

Figure it out yourselves."

If that is in fact what you were referring too....Did you read what was written?...or are you the one of those with telepathic abilities? If you are...than your telepathy was way off...because I only wrote what I meant...Not what "You Think" I meant.

Another shining example of JenX's mention of "Reading More" into what was actually written perhaps?

So...My mention that I was not going to continue attempts to  help solve the problem...somehow equals that I'm excluded from participating in the thread?

It Seems to me that You must really want me out of this thread pretty bad.( Notice  "It Seems to Me..." ya see..that's an "Opinion",..not a declaration of truth...just so you might see the difference in the future)

If you don't like me, or disagree with what I write...Simply scroll past my post...if I bother you that bad. It's really quite simple.

I will not take offense if I end up on your ignore list,as I tend to be pretty thick skinned when it comes to thing like that.

However...I'll go out on a limb here and "assume" that you will not care either way if I'm offended.

If I don't bother you that bad...then by all means...offer up your personal opinions of me...Who knows...perhaps I'll learn and grow from your observations.

Now..an example of "Rudeness" to me might go something like this:

"Cherry picking from your huge summary, much of which I don't care about and frankly causes me pain to look at:"

This..After I never once mentioned you personally, or quoted anything you typed on this topic.

I also apologized (twice) for falling short, and giving up on helping.

Dang...I even said  "You Win"... and moved on discussing the dynamics of the thread...what more do you want?

So yeah...We evidently have differing opinions of what Drama and Rudeness are.

Out of Curiosity...Have you solved the riddle?...Have you made any more attempts to solve it, or gather proof of foul play?

Or are you going to just going to continue to sit there accusing the site of selling your e-mail address?

"I'd gotten one the other day, now I've just gotten a second one.  It'd be either Rendo or DAZ that sold my address out."

Sorry...I had to go to the other thread to gather that quote...which..incidentally was your very first line ..of your very first post in that thread.

Some..unsolicited advice for you (as you seem to have no problem dolling it out)

Before jumping to conclusions...be sure to take note of how high the ceiling is.

Tom

"Please keep this thread on topic of the ORIGINAL post"

Sorry bout that Stacey

I replied on Page 2 where my E-bot took me, before even continuing on to page 3...I didn't see your Post(s) prior to replying.

Interestingly enough though...Is that I'm just not sure what the topic of the original post is...which was why I asked of the motivation behind it, expressed my observations and opinions, and was the very point I was trying to make.

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Tom

Quote - It Seems to me that You must really want me out of this thread pretty bad.

Not as such, I really just want your 100-line "slam dunk" line-by-line badly-formatted thinly-veiled flaming out of the thread.

And PS you're hardly sorry, or you would have trimmed or deleted your previous post.

Let's drop the personal issue now please and stick to the topic about the emails or move on.

Okay...I'll back-paddle a bit and try to explain what my attempt to explore the plausibility of  JeniferC's post involved.

(In the interest of staying on topic of what may or my not be the original post)

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BTW...I didn't Say anything remotely close to:. "That's it..She's Right..Problem Solved"...but rather mentioned that "she steps in to offer up a what could be considered, a quite plausible reason, as to how these E-mail address's may have ended up on a spammers list.(Notice the bold type)

I then decided to test and explore it myself, to see what I might uncover.(Yes...even as stupid as I am about it, I still made an effort)

Jen offers up that an E-mail feature exists that might be a way of someone sending an E-Mail....(She didn't make a declaration that this was the source of the problem...but rather "Asked" if it was known, and that it "Could" be that, as well as many other possibilities).

Okay...lets say I have a dedicated E-mail address that is used solely for the use here. (Or Not) I may or may not have "Rules"in my E-Mail client redirecting E-mail meeting certain criteria.to certain folders. "Rules"(filters) that may or may not make it more obvious if a Mock Ebot came through depending on each users method of filtering E-Mail (Which BTW...might be a way of those "Known Cases" to compare notes, and maybe narrow down possibilities, and/or finding "Common Elements")

Someone could send me an e-mail from this site via that Profile feature... correct?

Okay..if it's my friend..no biggie..but it still went out to me, and thus has a possibility of being intercepted and Harvested at any given point along the way.(Routing Points..etc.)...Incidentally..Even a legitimate Ebot has to make its way to you via these points.

Lets say it's not my friend...but a Harvester.

The harvester sends a relatively convincing replica of a typical Ebot to me Via the Profile page.(Not Hard...it's only text and links)

Not being one who check's the properties "Headers" of every E-mail to check it's origin,path, etc....I Don't notice the To and From: line is different from the typical EBot...I'm in a hurry...or multi-tasking, and simply click on the link.(Or..my filter takes it somewhere else and I don't even know about it,and thus...never gets bounced)

The harvester then goes to his Server's Logs and/or Properties to see where that e-mail was ultimately sent.

It was at this point I gave up helping...so I don't know if my logs would show it but It might...As my screen capture showed it was sent "From:Me..To: Me" just not through my E-mail Client as a "Sent Item" (Profile Feature does not launch senders E-Mail Client)...So..as the "Sender"(Harvester) I have nothing in my Sent Items to check the 'Properties" Headers, So I'd have to go to my server logs to check....again...I abandoned efforts before going to check my server logs on my test effort

If the log does show the complete path ...Harvester now has a new E-mail address to add to his collection.

Let's Imagine also...that the scammer is patient, and has been "Collecting" E-mail addresses in this, or similar way for several months...But waits until he has enough to compile a CD to sell.(A CD with guaranteed "Real" E-mail addresses, that might fetch a good price).

The CD would then be sold...and then "Deployed" by the buyer...So the Harvesting of the E-Mail addresses would take place over months before the actual "Deployment" (Which would explain why the recipients would receive the "Same Spam" on the "Same Day").

Those of us without a dedicated E-Mail address probably wouldn't notice, because we're used to getting spam on those accounts.In fact..it would likely be noticed  by only those that "Do" have dedicated E-Mail accounts.

When Jen Posted...my first thought wasn't that said SPAM was being sent via the Profile feature here,..but rather it was possibly a "Vehicle", or "Tool" used by a Harvester to acquire E-Mail addresses.

So..what I was trying to Illustrate..is that either way...Friend or Foe...that E-mail feature "Could Possibly" be a way, of an E-mail address being compromised.

(I may never know for sure..because as mentioned...I've given up on efforts to help)

So hey...I may not be the geniuses some of you are when it comes to E-mail...but I try to Open-minded enough to at least "Consider Alternatives" to conspiracies,and not simply dismiss them without a second thought.

So...That "was going to be" my attempt at exploring a "Possibility" that I abandoned when it became evident to me, that no explanation would suffice.

It may have even sparked "discussion" of why it is "Possible" or 'Impossible" Ruling it in..or Out..as a possibility.

It may be right,or it may be wrong...After all...I don't know the E-Mail configurations of those 'Known Cases".

Additionally...I don't know about the rest of the world...but it was a Weekend the past couple of days around here. I suspect that the Staff is likely looking into possibilities on thier end now... I would imagine also, if it's discovered that a security hole exists, that is with thier power to fix, they will likely find it and fix it.

BTW...Now *"That's"...*Blabbering on about what I don't understand.

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[Disclaimer] Any Drama and/or Rudeness found in the above post is Purely Unintentional.

Tom

Although I fully agree with Hawk here that it is very likely that the addy could have been intercepted at many points along a path of travel...the thing that interests me here is that out of over 70 replies to this post, there has really been only one official response from Rendo staff that directly addressed the issue.  That was the response from JeniferC....and it basically just said that it could have happened a number of different ways...which in fairness to the original poster, isn't much of a response.
So, why don't we ask these questions:

Is Renderosity investigating the OP's concerns further?...YES...or...NO
If as Hawk suggests they may be...then will the results of their review be made public here?

**HA i get that email all the time on my Yahoo LOL dont get it on HotMail at all, very rarley do i get spam on there, Yahoo is a magnet for Spam. It dont matter if your email is hidden but for one place, you will get gumph like this through because Spam bots and idiots will always find something or somway to send rubbish! It doesnt matter if its only for Rosity, or DAZ or wherever, you WILL get some sort of spam.

Dont blame rosity, it aint there fault, blame those idiots who send rubbish like this.**

*That could be true of anyone who downloads their mail into OE or Outlook - but very little of my mail is ever downloaded - especially rendo mail - in fact only newsletters or vendor mail that I need to keep for reference.

So the suggestion of clicking a fake ebot link going to a harvester is ruled out for me and anyone else using MailWasher.

The pic shows how an ebot appears in teh preview pane where the links are always clearly visible.  There's also a little button at the top that switches over to view between source and preview mode so checking a header of an message is very quick and simple.

Thank You Gill,

Again...I'll mention...It could be right or it could be wrong..I don't know the E-Mail configurations of those known cases.(which is why I suggested those "Known"Cases" get together and compare notes...It seems those with a common problem, is a good  place to start figuring out what happened)

Not being contrary...but asking a question about Mailwasher.

You can read E-mail from the "Server" prior to downloading..is that correct?

Would the logs of a harvester show that his little trick got at least as far as your Domains server?

I mean..would his logs say the final destination was spamtarget@ suchandsuch.com ? (Made up of coarse)

If so...would he then at least know of a potential "domain" to target? (Which doesn't explain why some accounts on a domain get that spam while others don't...I know)

But if so...would it then be time for him to haul out the app mentioned earlier to generate possibilities on that domain?

Again...Not being contrary...just inquiring?

So it rules that out for some...

I'm not being facetious when I say Thank you for actually reading and contributing your example.

This helps rule out possibilities and narrow down what it could or could not be.

Again....my point earlier..was that some don't even take the time to read or consider alternate explanations, or participate in hammering out a problem...but rather make accusations, or expect others or Renderosity to "Solve" a problem that very well may not be theirs. Just fired off accusations.

"Contempt Prior to Investigation" as is it also known.

I'm glad to see someone actually participate to the solution rather than the problem. 

Again...Thank you...

Tom

BTW..Notice...not bold type...No need to in replying to Gill...I reserve that for quoting in the interest of separating what others said, and what my reply is.(Many do it)  Save for the bold type intended to highlight specific points for those who obviously don't "Read" before replying...It's and aid for 'Those types"...y'no?

"Not being contrary...but asking a question about Mailwasher.

* *

You can read E-mail from the "Server" prior to downloading..is that correct?

Would the logs of a harvester show that his little trick got at least as far as your Domains server?"

As far as I know, no.  The reason I say that is that I use MessageTag on most of my outgoing mail (this is because I send out serial numbers, login details etc and I need to know that the recipient has received them).  With some mail I cc or bcc myself and if I preview the message in MailWasher then I don't get notification from MessageTag that it's been read - if I dl the message and read it in OE or Outlook then I get the notification because the message is not actually downloaded, it's read direct from teh server and no images or attachments come through and it stays on the server until I either delete or download it.

This may help answer your question, but I don't know any more technicalities than that - I'm not a techie person LOL!

vince3....I noticed your inquiry went un-addressed on page 2

I'll quote it here in the interest of saving folks from stepping back a page to read it.

"i didn't get this spam and i don't actually get any spam, but was curious to know if anyone knows where my spam might be in my email options, if it had been filtered, was wondering if it is automatically destroyed or if it is stored anywhere that i should probally check and destroy if i found any, or would it tell me that i had some or not." 

There are several reasons you may not have received this spam. (One being you have a horseshoe up yer  @ss ..and are just one lucky sumbitch...lol)

But as to Where you spam goes, depends on many things...What "filtering" (if any) you are using, and how effective it is,as well as security level settings.

Another, may be that your ISP has a filtering system in place and deals with spam in thier own way(Possibly  redirects it to a spam fighting organization or maybe bounces it back to the spammer, or Automatically deletes it)

This Scenario can be Baneful...or... Blessing...Sure...you don't get as much Spam...but you may also not be getting legitimate E-mail that you want.

An example of this might be...Not receiving EBots, or Newsletters from Renderosity, because your ISP has somehow flagged Rosity's domain a spammer...Which is not uncommon when a site of this size generates a lot of E-Mail activity, Deploys Newsletters, or the ISP notices a tremendous amount of E-Mail being processed from a particular domain....Many times...an end user (You) might even have to call your ISP and request that domain be taken off thier list of filtered domains.

If you are really REALLY curious as to where the SPAM you don't receive ends up...More information would be needed, such as what E-Mail Client(Reader) you use, What ISP you use,as well as any Spam filters you may have in place locally on your machine.

However...I would not worry much about it and just be glad you don't receive very much spam.

Hope this helps.

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Tom

Thank You Gradient

As to why the lack of response from the Staff...It could be that most of this thread took place over the weekend. Secondly...As you mentioned...Addy's can be snatched along the path of travel...as well as hundreds of other possible scenarios.(Also mentioned by JenC)...if that is the case...why then would Renderosity's feel the need to solve a members SPAM problem, that very well may not be theirs, to solve...The ONLY thing they could probably do is re-check thier security and make sure it's not on thier end.

Renderosity only has so much control over what happens to E-Mail once it has left thier servers (Including legitimate EBots, Newsletters' etc)...After that...it gets bounced around the planet, being re-routed along the way, until it reaches it's final destination.

When That legitimate EBot, Newsletter reaches the member...and the member clicks on a link to respond, the whole thing happens again...just in the reverse direction.

(You have "Requested" a Web link via your E-Mail)

For those With Dedicated Renderosity E-Mail accounts, that receive E-Mail through that dedicated account, only...but reply (..Copy Paste..whatever) from another Account. Still "Received" it To that address. and thus susceptible to it being intercepted.

So it can happen coming..or going... Snatched,along the way.

Lets say are Harvester acquires his list from one of those many points...Is that Renderosity's fault?

Tom

Ooops...Missed you reply Gill.
Thanks for the Mailwasher info...I'll have to re-read and digest your reply, before giving a comprehensive reply.

(If one such exist ...lol).

I used Mailwasher long ago...But I'm sure it has come a long way since then (I stopped using the free version after they stopped supporting multiple accounts)

Thanks again.

Tom

"It's more likely a case of an intern misusing the client e-mail database or somesuch; I've already seen this."

Did any of the admins address this possibility?

Assuming that it was a Weekend ( A Holiday Weekend Here in the US ) I rather doubt that they called in all whom have database access and strapped them to a polygraph. (Yet...lol)

Tom

No I guess not... Lol

@Hawkfyr;

Yeah, forgot that it was long weekend for you guys...

A couple of points though....I did not say that Rendo should " feel the need to solve a members SPAM problem, that very well may not be theirs, to solve".  Nor did I say that  it's "Renderosity's fault"

Actually, my post says that I think the addy could have been intercepted anywhere but,  a member here has raised a concern...which could in fact be quite serious....so, I think it deserves a serious response from the owners of this site.

As an aside, I am still waiting for responses from Rendo staff on several copyright issues, one going back 6 months, the other is about a week old.  And then there's the copy/paste issue into IM's from a few months ago....did it ever get looked at?
Unfortunately, my experience has been that Renderosity often lets issues pass unanswered in hopes of the problem going away rather than taking a position.
Letting issues fester is generally not the best course of action.....

I've gotten a couple of email responses from Jenifer, one initial flat declaration that "no way, not from us" and after I urged some more investigating, I've not gotten more replies.  I am very distressed at how quiet site management has been regarding this issue.  Considering they're obviously aware, and compared to how vigorous and prolific staff posts were when promulgating the recent thumbnail rules changes, very distressing.

I still strongly suspect Rendo of being the breach.  There are certainly some other interesting theories, but Occam's Razor is a pretty good rule.  If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

@ gradient

Yes... You are right....I agree...It was only my first sentence that was in response to your post.(Weekend)

The rest was to not intended to educate you on what I know..you already know.(interceptions)

But rather to explore further the interception possibility, and how It may be beyond Rosity's control... thus...what more is there for them to say other than. "It could be many reasons"...or.."we're looking into it on our end".

My apologies...I should have separated my direct answer to you, from the rest...It was not my intent to educate you...I already know you see it as a possibility.

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As far as lack of response on other issues...

Beat's the hell outta me..I though we were making progress on that thread involving copy/paste issue too.

Or at least a temporary work-around, and perhaps provided a starting point for the programmers based on our tests that night.

I have no answers other than some thing take priority over others, and the copy/paste thing was not high on that priority list.

Tom

@ pjz

So you are comparing a "Site Wide Change in "Policy"..to a few "Claims" of wrong doings regarding Spam?

Perhaps..the staff abandoning thier weekend plans to come in and satisfy those "claims" would please you?

I suppose she should also satisfy your "Urge" for more investigation, by dropping everything...Just for You.

[One word}

Perspective

Tom

Quote - I still strongly suspect Rendo of being the breach.  There are certainly some other interesting theories, but Occam's Razor is a pretty good rule.  If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Yep.  And the basic, elementary idea concerning instances of spam is that e-mail addresses have been harvested somewhere in transit - or through any of numerous other methods commonly used by spammers.

So that's the likely form of the duck.

Cheers Tom!! i get all my ebots and newsletters and a couple of other newsletters from other sites and or things i've had demo of or registered software. i had forgotten about my anti-virus (Mcafee) i think i remember that has something to do with my incoming emails, not sure though as i've never had a bubble pop-up about it. so maybe the ISP does it for me, i think i did have to allow Rendo at some point in my security settings, but that might just be the pop-up blocker.

i think i have very high security settings because i did some weird test a while ago that try to contact my computer and get it to respond,  but it couldn't get a response to anything it tried, so my 'puter passed all it's tests, which i don't think was supposed to happen as it was also trying to sell me security software on the sidebar (LOL)

i wonder if the fact i don't make any credit card purchases on this computer means i don't get spam.

anyway thanks for an answer Tom i'll have a look at my anti virus to see what that is actually doing. 

you might be right about the horseshoe! i just wish the horse would of taken it off first!! people are starting to stare. and it is getting a right NAG-IN-PAIN-IN-THE-@SS*

Glad to help.

BTW..perhaps this is the horse in question.He does seem to be missing '"Something"

Or maybe this one...wait....doesn't that look?....why yes...it looks like it could be a duck.

I think we've found our culprit.

8 )

Tom

HAHA that's him!! you do those anims so well!!

I know there is a gag in that duck one somewhere, but i don't know what a lame duck actually is so i won't ask "whats wrong with his leg", but i suspect fowl play here!!

5.9 )
Vince

A good possibility is that some of the folks that a member might  communicate with thru the site could have a virus that has grabbed their address-book & gone crazy with it.  That's a very common source of emails for spammers these days.

And it could be it's no accident that folks you "know" or have communicated with are also getting Spammed."

Renderosity does not distribute email addresses, No One on our staff . And our site has not been hacked.

That could be a possiblity for some, but please consider -

If I receive an email that has been sent through the site and it needs a reply, I do so using a different address, not the one that is used here.  I also delete the part in the reply that has my email address in it 

e.g.

-----Original Message-----
From: whoever@whatever.com [mailto:whoever@whatever.com]
Sent: 21 February 2007 16:51
To: myemailthatisprivate@mysite.com   <<<this line is removed
Subject: spamcheck

so when they receive the reply there is no trace of my renderosity email address in the message - I have checked and it also does not appear in the source/header

Return-Path: gillsmail@yahoo.co.uk  **<< This the account I chose to send out the reply with
**Received: from mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com (mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com)
        by mwinb3004 (SMTP Server) with LMTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:59:51 +0100
X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2
Envelope-to: xyz@gillsemail.fsworld.co.uk
Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
        by mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6ACFC1400753
        for xyz@gillsemail.fsworld.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:59:51 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48])
        by mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3EC591400740
        for xyz@gillsemail.fsworld.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:59:51 +0100 (CET)
X-ME-UUID: 20070221165951257.3EC591400740@mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com
Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35])
          by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP

The source on the reply then only has the address that I chose to reply with

Therefore, there is nowhere on an email I may have corresponed with another member that used the email option any trace of my original email address.

FYI all the email addresses show above have been amended for the obvious reasons

"Fowl Play"......lmao...Good One. I always love a good play on words Oh Clever One....lol. (I only wish I'd used it)

I didn't do that animation...(or the image that followed) I just used-em for parody's sake.

A lot of the animations, I do make...but not that one.

Tom <~~~ Still Laffin

Hi Gill,

I mentioned this scenario before.

{"When That legitimate EBot, Newsletter reaches the member...and the member clicks on a link to respond, the whole thing happens again...just in the reverse direction.(You have "Requested" a Web link via your E-Mail)

For those With Dedicated Renderosity E-Mail accounts, that receive E-Mail through that dedicated account, only...but reply (..Copy Paste..whatever) from another Account. Still "Received" it To that address. and thus susceptible to it being intercepted.

So it can happen coming..or going... Snatched,along the way.

Lets say are Harvester acquires his list from one of those many points.."}

You Still Received It.

Tom

Also, just to emphasize this...if the email does not bounce back to the spammer in any way, they see that it's a viable email address, and keep sending.

Quote - So you are comparing a "Site Wide Change in "Policy"..to a few "Claims" of wrong doings regarding Spam?

I'll spell this out as simply as I can:  If Rendo cannot be trusted to keep your email info private, then how can you trust them to keep your credit card transaction info private?  Yes, my identity information and credit card risk is a lot more important than the thumbnail rules change was.  So is yours.  It deserves at least as much attention, and diligent and rapid response.  

Seems to me this concern is being completely blown off by site management, with a fair amount of help from certain users.  This distresses me very deeply.  If the obvious happened here (rendo gave/sold email info), doesn't it bother anyone that the info was given/sold to ID theft scammers, from the text of some of these spams??

It may be that a more reassuring response is forthcoming, but I'm not expecting one.  Very unhappy about this.

Edit: "reassuring" meaning what steps were taken to investigate, and more than one or two sentences.  Typical due diligence stuff you'd expect from any professional company, not a blanket "nuh uh, wasn't us!"

StacyG

Quote - A good possibility is that some of the folks that a member might  communicate with thru the site could have a virus that has grabbed their address-book & gone crazy with it.  That's a very common source of emails for spammers these days.

No, if you communicate with someone through the site (e.g. sitemail or the Send Email option) you are never shown the recipient's email address, ergo it couldn't be in your address book and couldn't be intercepted by virus (that is, that's good site design on Bondware's part).

Credit Card issue has been Explained.

Spam possibilities have been Explained.

You offer no proof to the contrary.

Not unlike your accusations....which you also offer no proof.

Gather some research....or maybe some evidence Oh Reader of Naught.

@pjz99;
You need to understand that the email may have to travel thru many many different portals before reaching its final destination.  At EACH portal, it leaves it's signature....if it had to pass thru 20 "doors" to get to the recipient......YOUR email addy could have been picked up at EACH of those 20 points....if someone wanted....
If it got recorded at any one of those 20 points by someone that "harvests"....well you'll get all sorts of stuff sent to you.
Sorry, but its just the way email works....

Quote - Gather some research....or maybe some evidence Oh Reader of Naught.

Seriously, please shut up.  You're not in the tiniest bit qualified to answer any of these concerns, and you have zip for factual information.  You simply cannot address these concerns in any useful way.  I am at a complete loss to understand why anyone would be so zealous in defense of something they're completely ignorant of. 

Do you work for Rendo?  Do you work for Bondware?  Are you their mail administrator?  No on all three.  Please stop putting your posts forward as any use whatsoever.  I don't want responses from you.  You cannot help me.