Hi everyone! Got Vue 6 today and I will install it tonight when i get home from work. I am running Windows Vista Home premium and already had issues with other software (Old 3d Max wont work at all due to silly copy protection driver not working).

Before i just instll and do everything wrong I wanted to ask whether there's some tips on what to do or avoid using Vista, so I wont have too many poroblems for the beginning. Any experience about Vue 6 with Vista?

You should do some research in the e-on registered user forum maybe. I have in mind that there was a big problem with Vista Home edition. But as Mac user i am not really reading these things too carefully. But maybe you make a full backup of your stuff first before you try to install.

If you try to install Vue in Vista, turn off UAC, before you install. Click on the Setup file and right click to Run As An Administrator before you install Vue.

Once, installed, before you open Vue, go to the Exe file, and change the Compatibility settings to Win Sp Sp2 and check Run As An administrator. Reset the UAC. The Compatibility settings never worked in Win XP but they do in Vista.

Vue is going to try to check the compatibility of your video card and sign on to the Internet to check for updates and this may trigger a response from the system. Tell them you trust everything and then uncheck the setting in Vue to open the Web site each time the prog opens. That goes for Test the Video card as well, uncheck it. 

Vista does not like any software or hardware writing to the registry without a Public High Level Priority Key which you get from MS and the new Installer. 

Otherwise, it works great, the install was the only problem.  Check eOn for any new info beyond mine.

Yikes ...................all that just to install a software.   I hope they keep xp/2000 support for a very long time and especialy XP 64 support  as that will be my next system instead of Vista.
   I am sure the information you have given will be great help to lot vista users........

What version of MAX do you have?

keenart is correct on the install for Vue, but he forgot to add  'PRAY'.

Vista generates quite a few errors with any software that is pre-vista. Now MS charges and arm, leg, testicles, and a few other body parts for a PHLPK.  Quite a few people have said screw it and don't want to pay for it.  So we as users get the fun task of trying all sorts of work arounds to get software to install.

Best of Luck.

Sorry! PRAY! PRAY! AND THEN PRAY MORE!

I should add that I now have a stable Retail Vista after two weeks.  But I have been working with computers since they were Vacum tubes.  

If you have software that used the most current MS Installer and you have the Public Keys and so on, then the install is much easier, otherwise, use the methods I described.

Unfortuneatly in the EULA, MS now reserves the right to disable or Remove any software it deems a threat to the OS.  Older Installers may work, but most of the older installers of Third Party Software, do not work, unless they are MS products. 

Get this, I am having trouble with PS CS2, but I just installed Microsofts Best of Entertainment, 3.5 discs 1994 version and it works like a dream.  I am sure you can figure this one out!!!

I work with Vista Ultimate in Admin mode. All I did was turn off my Norton Anti Virus program and installed Vue 6 Infinite. That is how I install all current programs and they work fine. If they are current, I install them as I would on my XP machine and I just finished loading my Vista machine a few weeks agao. When Vue opened up for the first time, it asked the same questions as it asked on my XP Pro machine.

Here is more about Installing progs under Vista from the Windows Help and Support section;

Make older programs run in this version of Windows

Most programs written for Windows XP also work in this version of Windows, but some older programs might run poorly or not at all. If a program written for an earlier version of Windows doesn't run correctly, use the Program Compatibility Wizard to change the compatibility settings for the program. To change settings for a program manually, use the individual program's Compatibility tab.

If changing the settings does not fix the problem, go to the program manufacturer's website to see if there is an update for the program.

Warning

Do not use the Program Compatibility Wizard on older antivirus programs, disk utilities, or other system programs because it might cause data loss or create a security risk.

Run the Program Compatibility Wizard

Click to open the Program Compatibility Wizard.

Follow the instructions in the wizard.

If you cannot install a program, insert the installation disc for the program and, using the wizard, browse to the program's setup file, usually called Setup.exe, Install.exe, or something similar. The wizard is not designed to work on programs that have an .msi file name extension.

Thanks keenart.

But i'm unclear as to whether your proceedure is only for Vista "Home". 
I'm expecting to install Vista (64 bit) soon and will be getting the "Premium" edition.

Paula's post and others elsewhere seem to say that Vista Premium doesn't have the problems you provide work-arounds for? 

I'd best do some resarch before buying.

This is also a problem with Vista Premium.  It's a Vista wide issue.  Basically it's a role of the dice.  You have no way of know which applications require twaeking and which don't.

It does seem that most of the applications that MS has produced work in Vista.  I have been told that some people even have run a MS Game Pack for Win 3.1 in Vista.  I have no way to confirm this but it would it seems to suggest that MS apps will all run in Vista.

If you have Photoshop - I have heard quite a few reports that it just does not work in Vista.  Even versions as current as CS2.  You can get it installed but it crashed and does strange things.

From my Flim & Game Industry contacts I have been told that they have NO PLANS to go to Vista until well after the release of Service Pack 1 for Vista.  There are some that have said they will wait for a Service Pack 2 to be released before they consider installing Vista.

Vista is a real crap shoot.  If you have work and production deadlines to meet DO NOT install it.  If you are a home user and can afford the hassel go ahead and play with it.  Just beware of all of the unsupported hardware that is out there. 

I ran into this yesterday at a clients site.  A new system with Vista Home and it cannot connect to their Domian.  Problem Vista Home is INCAPABLE of a domain connection, you need th Vista Business Edition.  Also I discovered that you cannot install XP Pro on this system because there are NO DRIVERS for XP for it.   XP couldn't identify the South Bridge, onboard audio, onboard video, and the SM Bus Connector.   Take this as a warning be very very careful what you buy you could get screwed real easy.

Best of Luck.

Thanks SPZ-Desdinova,

I don't have any serious requirement to get Vista. Since i do use Photoshop for business and since historically, it's never been wise to be an early adopter of new Windows versions, i'll strongly consider starting out my new system with a 64bit version of Win XP and migrating to Vista in future.

You are all correct to an extent. 

The incompatibility of software and hardware is a Vista wide issue. Vista was written for current hardware, about 2005 to newer, and software with new Security features that require a new type of installer that also requires a High Level Key (encrypted) from Microsoft an ID Identifier. This all lets MS know whether you have a friendly and currently written MS Installer and program or you are a security risk. 

Paula has a valid point, if you install current software with the new installer *.msp extension you should not have problems, but otherwise, you may encounter minor or even major problems, and that is why I provided the fix (workarounds) for installing. 

Also, beyond the User Accounts Control (UAC) you also have Windows Defender that monitors and scans for Malware, etc., and security risks as StartUp Programs. This program has the ability to stop, block software from running, and can actually remove a software package if a serious security threat. Even if you turn off Defender, the system has a backup that can also block or render software ineffective. It is all in the MS EULA.

Although my Plextor is new and the software is supposed to be Vista compatible, Vista will not allow the software to install in the Quick Launch bar, where Plextools will write to the Registry Keys. So I have to Lauch Plex Pro XL from the desktop each time I want to use it. The prog does not have the necessary Key to identify it as a friendly.   UAC will block opening the prog, the Shadow Clone will darken the screen to take a snapshot of the computer environment, and then I get the prompt, to Cancel or Allow running the software. 

In some cases if you do get an old prog installed, you may find it tries to access the MS Core environment, or the registry, and is deemed a security threat and may be disabled. In other cases when you have an old installer and add the prog, and find it won’t work, you may not be able to uninstall the program, because the installed has tried to put its file in an old area and now a Secure Folder. Access is denied and the file is lost in the system and the installer cannot find the new location.

Another consideration is that these new Secure areas, Folders and Files, are off limits even to the Administrator, and owned only by the System, and you cannot change privileged writes. If by some miracle you can get access and change or delete one of the Registry Keys or Secure Folders, you may be in for big trouble. I deleted one of the System Folders which only has pointers to other folders, and I took my desktop down. These are new Security features to stop attackers from reaching Core Files.

The 64 bit is only as stable as the system you install it on. I tried to install over Win XP SP2 and that will work, and does allow much of my old installed software to run, with the exception of Norton Internet Security, my DVD software programs, and a few older MetaCreations programs I had to ditch. However, after installation, I had a lot of errors and minor program difficulties. So I did a clean install, and it all went much better.   Remember the differences between 32 and 64, trying to install a 64 onto a 32, gets hairy if not impossible.

As for the Clean Install, You must install from the OS desktop, no CD disc Verification will work. There is an option to install into the current OS, and move all of contents of the partition to a single folder called Windows.old, which can access later, but cannot run the old OS.

Since I have worked with computer for such a long time, most of this stuff is a minor inconvenience. I just built a newer system three weeks ago to meet and match the Hardware Compatibility issues that Vista has, so I am current. Others that do not have completely compatible system hardware or configurations that meet the Vista Compatibity requirements may have problems. 

When you try to install Vista for the first time, Vista will do a complete system scan before install, that is the hardware, drivers, and software for any incompatibility issues. If Vista finds any issues it will tell you and then not install until you have corrected them.

Here are some of the Requirements. 

A fully ACPI compliant computer, that means all hardware, mobo, ps, and cpu. 

If you are going to run Vue, get a video card for your mobo, on board chipsets are good for word processing but do not support hardware accelaeration.

Drivers and software that meet the Vista Compatibility issue. Usually Anti-Virus Software, Firewall Blocks, DVD equipment and drivers, and other Utilities are the main source of concern. In my case it was Plextor, Norton, and Adobe Acrobat 6. The Auto Update of Adobe is a serious Security Threat and Vista would not allow me to install until the software was uninstalled. 

Note: When I tried to install Vista over Win XP, as soon as Vista was installed it blocked Norton, and Norton automatically sent me to the Web, removed my current Internet Security software, and then downloaded a new Vista compatible NIS. That is about how serious it gets. Luckily I know what I am doing, or I would not have any hair left.

Personally I have a lot of issues with MS, but I like the Vista desktop, graphically rich and incredible. And since I have a new system that hits the 5 scale on the Vista Performance scale nothing is running shabby. I can deal with all of the other garbage, but there are others that rely on specific hardware and software they may have to give up. So I would recommend you get a back partition software package and back up your current Installation just incase you do not find Vista compatible with your current system.

The other option is to install Vista into the current OS, Vista will not destroy the current Folder locations of the old OS as did previous editions. Or, repartition your harddrive and put Vista on a second drive letter and do the duel boot until your happy.

The 64 bit Premium edition has all of the nice software and extra perks, partition packup software, much more, and the new Areo transparent Desktop. You better met the 5 or better performance to run Areo and other graphic software on this system. And, I would suggest as much RAM as you can stuff in your system 4 gigs is nice, 8 gigs would be better if you are to run Vue. You might check eOn I think there is an issue about Duo Core versus Quad-core.

I have only used Vista Ultimate 32-bit. I have not had any personal experience with the 64-bit version.  When it was installed, it was a clean install. I don't know exactly how it was installed, as keenart has described, there are various ways of doing it.  I always let my computer tech who builds my systems install my OS and make any windows updates he thinks are necessary. It has always proved way more than worth the very nominal cost.

But I have not had the problems with Vista that others seem to have.

On Vista 64, if I load in the SSS example from the Extras CD, in the Showcase folder, I get a complete Vista lock up when the scene loads! Have to reset the PC.

No problem on Xp 64 on the same machine.

I do not get the Extras CD with Basic, and you have to order the 64 bit DVD.

Do you have Media Player installed and configured?

Some graphics cards do not support x64.  Check your graphics card to see if you have the correct x64 drivers installed.  Goto Control Panel and find Device Manager, and under Display adapters, right click on the graphics card name and select Properties, select the tab Drivers,  look through the Drivers Details.  Once you have the names of the files, you can search your drives and click on the files to get more info if needed.

If not go to the manufacturers web and see if they have updates.  If the new drivers do not work you can always roll back. 
  
Did you do the Windows upate and see if they have a new driver?  

I had trouble with my ViewSonic until Vista downloaded a new driver.

If you are concerned about installing Vista, there is another option called Virtual PC from Microsoft.

Overview

Save time and money as Virtual PC allows you to maintain the compatibility of legacy and custom applications during migration to new operating systems and increases the efficiency of support, development, and training staffs.

With Microsoft® Virtual PC 2007, you can create and run one or more virtual machines, each with its own operating system, on a single computer. This provides you with the flexibility to use different operating systems on one physical computer.

For more information about the ways you can use virtual machines, see Virtual PC at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=78095.

It comes in two forms, 32bit and 64bit, and is a 31 meg download.

Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows Vista Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.

An x64-based or an x86-based computer with a 400 MHz or faster (1 GHz recommended) processor with L2 cache.

Processor: AMD Athlon/Duron, Intel Celeron, Intel Pentium II, Intel Pentium III, Intel Pentium 4, Intel Core Duo, and Intel Core2 Duo.

RAM: Add the RAM requirement for the host operating system that you will be using to the requirement for the guest operating system that you will be using. If you will be using multiple guest operating systems simultaneously, total the requirements for all the guest operating systems that you need to run simultaneously.

Available disk space: To determine the hard disk space required, add the requirement for each guest operating system that will be installed.

Another possible option:  Windows XP 64-bit edition is very stable and seems to run my install of Vue 6i in 64-bit mode very cleanly.

Yes I believe most would be better off staying with Win XP for the short term.

I have the 64 bit on its way and should install it in about two weeks to see what will occur and if I can get it stable.