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Subject: Artwork stolen on the Russian website
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And what Rusiian site is that, that I should beware of?
DPH
STOP PALESTINIAN CHILD ABUSE!!!! ISLAMIC HATRED OF JEWS
Here is one of the threads Dp :)
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2688740
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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I was at a Medical Congress in Prague three years ago manning the internet stations my company had set up in our exhibit area. We had big jars of freebie pens with our company logo on them sitting all around the exhibit area. We'd watch as the Russian doctors invariably would open their briefcases and empty entire jars of these cheap freebie pens into them. One time just for the hell of it I grabbed a jar of pens and went over to one of them who was busily filling his briefcase and held out the jar to him and said in english, "here you missed this one" and he grabbed the jar out of my hand and emptied it into his briefcase. It was comical but I felt sorry for them that free pens meant that much to them!
Just saw 2 of Carneithwen's images for "The Journal of Autarkis" series they do.
http://www.artfile.ru/oboi/b/i.php?i=a|244746
http://www.artfile.ru/oboi/b/i.php?i=a|244781
There is an offer of help from a Fractal member.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=2927227
VikingLady
It is very sad. In my day (God, that makes me feel old to say that!), it was the Soviet Union. Most of my friends including my own grandparents came to the USA to avoid the Bolsheviks (Communists) during and after the Russian Revolution. My best friend's grandfather was taken out into the street and shot. However, the country was at least not in complete chaos and poverty as it is now, run by gangsters. Not that I support the Soviet regime. Simple things like pens can be sold on the black market. Everything is very, very expensive and hard to get there. Russia has one of the highest percentages of alcoholism in the world. When my husband and I were in Europe two summers ago, I wanted to go to Leningrad - St. Petersburg - but the travel agent said it was not safe.
Hi All I am A member of the UF users mailing list. My rl Name is Valerie waves at the Uf list folks I can make the following offer: Since I work for a federal german agency, I have close contacts to the state governors admin. Since Northern Rhenania Westphalia is one of germanies most industrious states, they have vast contacts to the east, especially we have some people working there who speak russian, our legal squad included. If y'all here can gather the weblinks to your stolen Fractals, I am ready to try to get someone to do me a favour at the governors offices and kick the siteowners ass about all the copyrighted material. Do not expect wonders from that. Ukraine, like Russia are at the actual times states where laws get only erratically enforced, if what we have as laws applies at all. Be aware that copyright laws are different to non existent in some eastern countries. I can't say for sure how the situation is in Ukraine and I am not sure if I will have the time to find out. On the other hand Ukraine wants into the EU and so it will have to start complying. So please, if any of you want to take that offer, post the full urls to your pictures on that russian site into this forum so I can gather them and the siteadmin of tha ru site be asked to remove them. PS: As it turns out the server of that site definitely stands in Russia, not Ukraine (I got a RIPE feedback at the first /whois with an Ukrainian tel number). Makes it all just a bit harder ...
tak (Ukranian yes) nye da (Russian not yes). I been through it, just to see. Unless my pictures start showing a lot more skin, I'm safe..;) what amazes me is all the Nazi Poser stuff (WWII) they have there. Those who don't remember the past...;)
ps- they say y'all in Germany? Always wondered where that came from..;)
I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit
anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)
Go the Flashkit.com. It is a similar American teenage site. The Russian site is run by teenagers and young people, starving for the West. I had a student whose Levi jeans were stolen off her. They are poor people who think anything from the West is wonderful and "cool"!. It is a mindset that only Eastern Europeans - and Hurricane Katrina survivors - can understand. The neo-nazi movemant is a bunch of stupid young folks who have no idea what the real Nazis were about - very sad! Pakled, Ukranian is very similar to Russian. You should be able to read almost all of it. Dopobachinya!
I posted an thread also I didn't see your until I had posted mine. I also found that site, and I found one of wrspeed's images. Terry said THEY are trying to SELL the images from what he can tell by the translation. They are also not giving proper credit to individuals who created the art, and claiming it as their own.
Babel fish is a great translater to read what is really going on.
PatGoltz posted the this in the Fractal forum, same topic.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2688729&page=2#message_2927780
more victims..... 
Ok, we have these posts going up all over Rendo, so lets try and keep it all together...since some members dont go to the CC Forum, I have made this thread a sticky..so all posts can go into this thread, instead of new ones being made...new posts regarding artfile.ru will be locked and members will be directed to this thread.
Thanks!
~Jani
Renderosity Community Admin
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I got a trouble ticket from this e mail!!... so don't give up... send lots of e mails with the links to the large copy of your image and complain!! I got:
"RIPE NCC Operations" ops@ripe.net
Greetings,
This message has been automatically generated in response to the
creation
of a ticket regarding:
"Web site traced back to you is hosting illegal copies of art!"
Maybe in some small way we can make a difference! Especially important for those of us making money from our art!
Lyne
PS sorry to bother by posts all over but I am trying to help those who do not visit this forum. I asked Clint if I could help this way,... he said yes.
Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!
Quote - Go the Flashkit.com. It is a similar American teenage site.
wha-huh? i've been going there for about 7 years, and it's always been a flash developer's site. with no neo-nazi content i've ever seen, posts about flash conferences all around the world, and open source flash content.
ok, just checked, still a flash site: http://www.flashkit.com/
maybe you literally meant with a capital F?
oh, and can someone clarify what this site does? are they crediting artists? are our names still on our work? are they editing people's work and claiming it as their own? are they making any money off it?
My suggestion?
The artists at Renderosity really have no clout with these people.
However, artists such as Royo et al, do. They have the legal representation and agents in place to enforce their copyrights.
My suggestion is to go through those images and identify every well known fantasy artist that has images in there and start sending out letters to them with links to their images.
Suggest teaming up with them as a group to get those sites shut down. They have the pull and financial means, where individual artists here do not. And I think you stand a better chance of getting somewhere that way.
If these sites are suddenly hit with cease and desist letters from lawyers, they may start to get the idea that just taking art and displaying it on their own sites is not a kosher thing to do.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
reclicked my image link and now it's a "re-direct" so fast I can't copy it, but goes to a
DIFFERENT SITE with a photo of potatoes!! ?!?! So is my art image still at that other
site but hidden or removed? Is this their way of removing the art?? Curious!
Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!
You were redirected to their humor site. The sign on the potato box reads "Local apricots are very sweet". hahaha. Russian humor. Awadissk's showed up on yet another Russian site, where you can have his picture put on your cell phone. Definately commercial on this site. I left a few nasty comments there.
This is all quite odd. McAfee2000 found one of my images on that site. I'm really torn on how to take this, I suppose I should be flattered that someone would want to take on of my pictures. The following message showed up just before the site redirected me to the humor site.
(Bable Fish translation)
"In connection with the paid foreign traffic site www.ArtFile.ru for your IP address is not temporarily accessible!!! Use Russian proxy by the server"
Somebody has noticed, but who, why, and what they are going to do are pretty much a mystery to me.
So drifterlee what they are really doing there!?I trust you more than babelfish and I hope we all find a solution to see our images removed from there anyway...I understand their politic situation and I feel sorry for them, but as anyone they have to respect laws...and overall, why if these pictures are coming from the West they don't keep the original name of the author!?My 2 pictures luckly keep the original title and my name, so there is no problem for me if they won't sell them...if they like our art this flatter us, but if some of them sell them is not right also for them!...So please let us know at finally what really they do!
**I tried to send them a message but it seems registration is requiered, I tryed to register, but I couldn't get through...Could you please write the link of the page where is possible to send them the message in russian you post at the top?
Thanks for the help to all!
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Drifterlee and Renderosity should be aware of another issue that the stolen issue bring to the legal front. Some of those images MAY have product that was never intended to be sold in a render, but for the personal use only. I know, personally, I have downloaded a number of free items that state "for personal use only", no "commercial use." Now besides stealing the art from the site, they are also encrouching on the the people who made models, textures, lightings, props, and materials. Also it may go as far as copywrite problems with the bigger companies like DC, Marvel, Lucas, for example, if the items lifted were FAN ART that they are currently using in a commercial manner (I avoid the sales issue, since you might have to PAY to get on the site .) Just an awareness of the issue and how big it can get when you have free items that are/were only ment for personal use like BATS, ISOP, and FAN ART created for the enjoyment of the artist.
Just a thought.
Mike
I totally agree McAfee2000!We respect creator of free stuff and others who sold the item we use, I cannot understand why nobody do nothing against this russian web site!
It happened to me to post many images done with AmericanChi images used as backgrounds for mine, he commented them and appreciate them,before posting them I send them in preview to him if he likes them and then I posted here, I always pleaced links to his gallery or minimum give him all rights of his creations and it was asked me if I had his permission to use them...Of course I had!!!Otherwise he didn't comment appreciating my works with his...so now my thought is : people check just when it's easy!?Or when is important to make copyright respected?!We paid the stuff we use and we respect copyright of the merchant, as well as when it's for free...so I don't understand why a store doesn't make it's rights against someone who is stealing copyright of stuff, images and so on from a community so famous and well known as Rosity is...
Now we are not talking anymore about images stolen, but also merchants copyright violated...Read me file is to be respected and we do it...but if someone rub our works this copyright is violeted too...
http://www.1zoom.ru/top.php?page=17&top=14&group=22&sot=1&width=350&height=350&js=1
I don't know if this is the site that the pictures were removed from. However, while I don't see any thumbnails, I can click the spaces and be taken to full sized images.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Just a heads up - I use Spyware bot to scan for spyware and adware. I ran it after going to the ru site. I can up with an extra bonus of dealing with these people - so be aware. I tried looking for the name of the bot, but couldn't find it in the quarantined list.
Drifterlee is doing a great job trying to communicate with the ru sites and get things straightened out. I can imagine how frustrating it is. She is trying her best to translate what is really going on.
Unfortunately, I have another issue that needs to be considered. With the little to NO actions RR is taking, it does seem to send a message to the community that we CAN IGNORE all the readme's that have ever been created over the years with the Freebies, and Merchants. Since RR will NOT stand up for their Artists, Free or Merchant, I guess we can all go out and get our own lawyers with Boris and Roylo if we want to make a real issue of it. It also sends a message that we the artists CAN sell trademark and copywrited materials - as long as they are NOT in the United States. It also sends a message to those hoods who stole artwork that it IS okay and go ahead and steal more for your gain. If not from this site, you are welcome to attack Poser Pros, 3DC, RDNA or any of the other sites that host images to make a profit off us poor artists who create for your wallet. We drift into international cyberspace - anything applies.
**aleni110773@mail.ru
this is the person usually post "stolen images" and I hope Drifterlee will kindly check for us...but clikking on the mobile phone simbol you have instruction to send it to a cell phone...
This is an e-mail I found where we could right...
** admin@1zoom.ru
But I don't really know...they post and sell Royo's images...what we little artists can do?!
ANY SUGGESTIONS? In this case I don't really know if we have to write them or not...it seems it's something so normal...
in this image not only my copyright is violated!but also AmericanChi copyright 'cause he gave me permission to use his background...
http://www.1zoom.ru/see.php?n=39204&js=1&uu=578.4
having your work posted in other websites without asking for permission and having a friend tell you about it is one thing but having them take off your signature and smack theirs on is just too infuriating for me. thanks aralt for the heads up, i don't know if i have any time to battle this one at the moment but i sure hope with everyone banding together on this, we would have things remedied. any ideas as to who to contact on this?
I don't know Rain...that's why I wrote you...I understand you, and luckly I love your artowroks and this is how I recognised it at first sight!
Drifterlee is giving us her help, she speaks russian...but the only suggestions arrive from this forum...and from somedays it seems Rosity stuff don't answer...I can understand McAfee2000 rage...
I wrote drifterlee a message asking her to read the news I found about this new web site, she did a gorgeous job with artfile.ru, so I wait for her help again...
We could try to write them throught the e-mail I found in that site:**admin@1zoom.ru
**but I don't know, probably they will answer in russian saying they don't understand what we write...that's why I'm waiting for drifterlee help.
I don't really know...but I'm a little pissed off to be left without any help from others...someone that has more power and knowledge should help us...otherwise I think we will soon find no more artworks in these galleries afraid to be stolen again...
A friend I informed about this site wrote me this:
<<...there not selling your or mine or anybody elses artwork. so technically its not theft. the work is made available by us posting it into the public domain. as long as there not trying money from direct sales of your work, theres nothing anyone can do. ..Im not sure f your aware of the brick wall there is between the easten side of the internet and the westen side. there is "nobody" to complain to. the site is a traffic site..meaning these sites that pop up..have one porpose..to generate traffic..IE clicks...they make there money from advertising...not the art...the art is just a way to make people click. ..so really there just making a fast buck..>>**
drifterlee ***is it right?
Are they selling or not?
Even if they are not selling I think is not right that someone remove Rain signature or someone else signature and sign the image as 1zoom.ru!
So at the end they are only making us publicity!?...O_o**
permission is still needed from the people who created the artwork in question - to me whether or not they are selling it is beside the point (another issue altogether). what is so damn hard about asking for permission? i have 2 online galleries i post my work at and a few other websites that have an authority to do so. all of them has given proper credit and those who have cropped my render have the power to do so since they paid for it. it really boils down to the principle of it all - give us the courtesy to have a choice whether or not we wanted other websites to house our work or not. to me it is one way of keeping track of them.
Of course you are right and I totally agree with you...but unfortunately sometimes things are bigger then we are...they also have many images of Louis Royo, that is not a nobody in art...so what we can do except writing them?
Even if they will shut down our images they just move it to a new server with a new name...
So it seems we have hand bound...if anyone more powerful than us do something what can we do!?if there is a way I'll do it...but there is!?which is it?!
With photobucket.com was easier...we all wrote them and they removed the album...but here is not a single album is all the web site based on them...so it means we should make them close it all!...not easy for a little group of artists...
yeah...what makes it harder is not being able to decipher the language too - thanks and kudos to drifterlee for that - you're doing quite a tremendous job hon.
aralt hon...things may be bigger than they seem to be but really, the only reason it is is because nobody wants to fight it. i tend to fight every single thing that pops up (even if they only have one of my renders in their websites). i also keep a list of those who asked me for permission and have their websites written down so if someone does see my work and informed me about it, i can rest their suspicions by looking through my list. i can't just throw my hands up in the air after i discovered some in the past actually made money off my work. so yeah i am mad about all these, not just for me but for all of us.
I agree with you hun, I would fight it too...but it's terribly we are all alone in this battle...with photobucket, Lully helped me and we won, but we cannot fight them all, each of them will pop up, if we are just few of us...I wrote a lot of messages to all artists I recognised before for photobucket, then for artifle.ru and now for this one either, none of them answered and didn't post any comment in this forum or previous too, it seems for them it doesn't matter, if we are a community we should do something together as we did for photobucket...but sincerly I'm tired to loose my time fighting alone or 3 person against the giagants, I feel like Don Chichotte...
I think drifterlee is doing a wonderful job and she is helping us so much for what she can, but we cannot fight a so big web site just 3 of us!We all say we are community but these case it seems we are not at all!... :O(
Quote - A friend I informed about this site wrote me this:
<<...there not selling your or mine or anybody elses artwork. so technically its not theft. the work is made available by us posting it into the public domain. as long as there not trying money from direct sales of your work, theres nothing anyone can do. ..Im not sure f your aware of the brick wall there is between the easten side of the internet and the westen side. there is "nobody" to complain to. the site is a traffic site..meaning these sites that pop up..have one porpose..to generate traffic..IE clicks...they make there money from advertising...not the art...the art is just a way to make people click. ..so really there just making a fast buck..>>
If that is the case, then I'd be very, very cautious about going there and clicking on anything!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/29/cws_shredder/
It seems that a number of Russian sites subscribe to that "click for revenue" and it usually involves a horrid trojan called "CoolWebSearch" which is a real PITA to get rid of. There is no easy way other than to reformat your computer or spend weeks trolling through your various directories deleting file after file.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
OMG!!!Also this one!...This is really too much!...Anyway I leave my pic there...I'm not so famous to have many friends ready to fight to help me and as I already said we are all alone in this battle...so I don't want to risk to find also my pc down!I already lost too much time here with receiving what!?nothing everything is going worst and we are all our 5 people talking here...I'm not anger with you Acadia and you well know it!
Anyway thank you for informing us about this too... :O(
As a music publisher as well as a 3d artist, I fully sympathize with creators. However, for those of us who live in the USA, there are more pressing issues. The fact that any citizen or resident can be legally arrested, incarcerated without trial, tortured and murdered at the whim of one sociopathic "decider" is a real cause for alarm compared to whether someone at a Russian site purloined our pictures.
I'm just sayin.'
As I've stated before and Madmaxh is seeing to state - the heck with the readme's - the heck with copywrites, the heck with any legal reasons to hold onto our art as ours - it's ALL open source. Everyone have fun with all the stuff since NO ONE CARES enough to stop it. I guess it's a reflection of todays society. So if you see a picture done by Michael Whelan or Royo that has Curious George's name on it as the artists, be sure to give him a 5 stars, a fav, a huge write up on how wonderful his art is, and be sure to by the print or cell phone picture. I'm sure it will be worth a great deal of money when it is all said and done. Never thought I'd care if someone one was stealing my stuff, but I get more angry when it's my friends like Rain, Artemis, or Aralt3.
Thanks McAfee2000, you know this society show us everyday what is right and what is wrong, but it's also true that all these are ruled by money...
You know many think is not important the battle we are fighting, but you know I don't sell my images, because my art should be free!
I don't want someone gain money from something I let here for free!If I wanted to gain money from my pics I would have contact someone to do it, but I didn't because I don't want to!
So I cannot accept someone is selling my pics...But you know we are little fyes and all alone here...no powerful person is helping us, we are all alone with our thoughts and we spend many useless words...no way to change so big things...alone...
With Photobucket we spend many words and many e-mail and we reach the goal, here in this case nobody is helping us, we are just few and we are just 3 on millions...what we can do?!No help just people saying is something normal what they are doing...I cannot stand that...
Since NO ONE is reading this but us, I was think of something FUN maybe make a point or something in our galleries - that basically would be "kiss my arse RU sites" but, I haven't come up with anything yet. It has to be fun. A sense of humor sometimes gets the point across better than a big stick.
Welcome to brainstorm.
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