Two questions:

One - is this recognizable as a known actress?

Two - is the stupid %^#@*!! face too far forward, or back, of somehow misplaced on the head?  It looks to me like her face has slid forward on her skull.  The proportions seem screwy somehow.

Any help?  Please please....

The face position looks fine, but the taper on the side of the neck,
just below the ear, is somehow wrong.  Should either taper
outward toward the trapezoid, or be pulled in as I've done with
Photoshop here.

Heh.  I was just mentioning you in another thread.

Who is Suzanne Pleshette?  I don't know whether that should be discouraging or not, 'cause it isn't her.  :(  But thank you.  I actually think I overdid her nose, just a tad.

Think 1960's.  Mars has no women.  (Sneaky Pere Ubu reference.)

Umm.  The neck.  I should actually be asking about that.  I'm trying to legthen it, and the scaling has everything all screwed up.  I seem to recall that scaling body parts worked pretty well when I was still using Posette and Eve characters, but the Vickys don't like to change size, evidently.

Does anyone have any hints for good body part scaling?  Is it better accomplished with morphs than with the scale dials?

Huh.  It does look sort of like Suzanne Pleshette, from some angles.  I'll have to correct the nose....

If you're not going for a very stylized look, then really the nose is extremely short.  The mouth seems like it could come down 1/4 inch or so as well.

To me it looks like Loralai from Gilmor Girls.
DPH

or one of the B52s...;)

Ah.  The "mars has no women" quote didn't mean anything to me, so I googled
it and found a name associated with the lyrics...

Judy Carne!  If she's the goal, you've socked it to her precisely!

the girl who played batgirl? I dunno who those others are, mentioned above. however, I can confirm that mars has no women :lol:

I agree with Miss Nancy, she does look very much like the girl who played Batgirl on the Batman TV series.

pjz99 - that's part of what I'm wondering about.  The proportions seem funny to me.  But when I lengthen the nose and lower the mouth, she looks less the actress on whom she should be based.

Ding ding ding!  Miss Nancy and Thorgrim have got it.  Yvonne Craig, who played Batgirl/Barbara Gordon on Batman, Marta on Star Trek, and Marjorie Bolen in Mars Needs Women.  I suspect I still have a way to go yet, if it took that many posts to get the identity right.

Ockham - Judy Carne is another I've never heard of.  I'm out of touch.  :-P  What about Anne Helm?  She and Yvonne were often mistaken for one another, apparently.

After looking at some pictures of Yvonne, I agree.  Your model is 
somewhere between Yvonne and Judy.  The nose is more Judy; 
the face shape is more Yvonne.

I'm surprised that I wasn't familiar with Yvonne Craig.  She was definitely around
at the same time as Suzanne and Judy but for some reason I never noticed her
back then.  I'll make up for lost time, though.....

Any improvement?  The face somehow seems too far forward to me, but I've actually moved it back on the head already.  Perhaps the ears are too far back, creating this effect?

She's got a neat look as she is. Does remind me of someone too, but I don't know the actress' name.

If you want a likeness you more tweaking to do. First, I recommend getting rid of the scared bunny  look by move the eyeballs (iris) up a bit, and lowering the eyebrow some. That will give her a more relaxed look like in your picture reference.

bB

Scared bunny look.  Heh.  I've modeled the eyes a bit wide and the eyebrows a bit high, to make the morph cooperate a bit better with the expression morphs for the eyes and eyebrows.  I'll comensate for that and see if it helps.  Thank you.

More tweaking to do!  Argh!  :)  I've been tweaking since autumn 2001.  :crying:  :cursing:  :blushing:

the girl in the photo has a bulbous nose tip, which ya duplicated accurately. but my vote would be for a more pixie-like pointy nose. more cartoonish.

Agree with BastBlack.... after fixing the neck thing, she looks just right.

She may not match any one actress perfectly, but she matches herself perfectly.

Hope you'll release her for sale soon; I can't wait to top off that pert little
face with some serious 1967 hair, like Ktaylor's hair items.

Miss Nancy - I just looked again at some profile images of Yvonne, and you're pretty much right.  In some lighting and from some angles, she looks like she has the bulb-nose that I gave her, but the tip of the nose should really be more straight.  Just like I had it two weeks ago.  Aargh!  Back and forth.  Sigh.

Ockham - she'll be free, if I ever get her and her clothes and props together for my long-planned site update.  I've gotten caught in an infinite regress of tweaks to everything.  You've all helped me focus in on a few elements, though, so I hope I can break that cycle and make some progress.  She's also a Vicky 1/2 character.  I keep trying to port her to V3, but TDMT's mesh comparison tools never reached a point where they could handle things like ears, eyelashes, and the corners of mouths well enough for me to get that to work....

I'd like to think that my homemade hair is plenty serious, but utterly amateurish.  :-P

Thanks, everyone.  This is all helpful.  Does anyone have any comments on body part (neck) scaling?  Are there new tricks to it that I haven't learned?  Is morphing and moving joint centers better than dial scaling?  Any ideas?

@dphoadley: I've recently read the opinion, on a Batman 66 message board, that one of the Gilmour Girls actesses resembles Yvonne Craig.  I'm going to have to check into GG, then.  Never seen it....

yep, she's lookin' pretty good now IMVHO. v1/2 is a good choice. haven't seen the gilmour girls (assuming that's a sitcom) nor any of the others, excepting "married with children", which was the worst known american sitcom. excepting "son of the beach", of course :lol:

I actually don't know Son of a Beach.  (???)

Hoo boy.  I asked the Batgirl experts at www.66batman.com, and now I have a whole slew of suggested tweaks.  The mask needs work, the cheekbones, the cleft in the chin is too pronounced, the jawline a bit too squared.  The hips are too high and need to be lowered.  The emblem on the belt is not wholly accurate and the seams in the suit are either not emphasized enough or are inaccurate.  The color of the cape collar is wrong; it shouldn't match the cape.  The eyes should possibly be larger and more cat-like.  She has "cankles" (a wonderful new word for the day, apparently meaning "thick ankles").  And two dead pigeons in the water tank.

Hoo boy....  :-P

I would tend to disagree with all the suggestions from those guys. they're just gonna make her look bad. do any of them have any 3D modelling experience? unless they're payin' ya, no real point in getting distracted by them IMVHO. do it the way you like. stick with yer original vision.

Aw.  Please, if you're going to spend another year perfecting the
resemblance to Yvonne, couldn't you release a, um, Bata Version for 
those of us who like her just as she is?

The trouble with Cage is that he's just obsessive.  He will tweak the heck out of this thing!  Because now that people have pointed out these things, they stand out, horrible blemishes which represent imperfection.  Cage has swirly Zombie Eyes.  "Must... make... perfect... Batgirl!"  

Begging y'r pardon.  Haven't slept in over 24 hours.  Makes me unbearbly charming.  No, that's not the one.  What is it?  Ah, stupid.  Unbearably stupid.  The rotten thing is that I'm so tired now that I can't get to sleep, given the opportunity.

sigh

Thank you for the feedback, Miss Nancy.  I do kind of like the "cankles" part, though.  :-P

:massive yawns:

Ah, Ockham... you sneaked... snuck... snooked.  You came along and posted while I was responding.  I am prepared to share the current form with anyone who wants her.  But... so much to organize.  Hoo boy.

I've kept the morph with the "Judy" nose loaded on the figure, for you.  :-P

Or was the whole post an opportunity to confuse a sleepy person with the pun, "Bata Version"????

Heh.  Bata version.

Sooo sleepy....

Attached Link: Limited time Bata-version head morph (Vicky 1 or 2)

The above image shows the current final version of the morph.  All of the WIP versions and the current one are included in a bare-bones Vicky 1 cr2.

Just out of curiosity, is there an old rotary dial desk phone model available (free) anywhere?  I had to build my own for this image, but it's a kludgy Cage lo-mesh model....

Hello! Thank you very much for the morph. Will it work with that Multivick/Batgirl figure of yours? It's a great figure indeed. I thought she looked very much like Yvonne allready.

Peelo - Yes, the morph will work on the so-called MultiVic Vicky 1 figure.  When I finally get this darned update together, the figure will have new morphs and JPs (again), as well as an updated Batgirl suit (this one based on the Vicky catsuit rather than the Posette one) and clothes, and the Barbara hair (for what it's worth...).  Oh, and a genitals hip with heightened mesh resolution.  Hafta remember to port all the morphs for that....

Now, if I can just make myself stop tweaking obsessively and get an update together....  :-P

Oh! That's great news! Looking forward to it. But no pressure, take your time. ;) Okay I allso really need to go to sleep now. Damned scandinavian summer! Sun won't set at all. Drives me insane.