I'm frustrated with CLEARANCE. I don't understand it.

Products that I've seen here - and need for future products disappear without a word of warning!

What is the point of getting rid of them? Surely they can use that much disk space - and they must be a source of continuing revenue.

I think Rosity is missing the boat here. They could be a vast library of items - that, in itself could be a valuable thing.

Why would you want to diminish your set of content? If it distracts for the newer, hotter items then make  a seperate store for "legacy items".

Help me understand!

I agree with you.

An expansive store would be best.

I have a lot of mine products killed by the Clearance/Warehouse.
If I had the bad luck for nobody purchase a product for 90 days the product is gone, at least from Renderosity.
As I don't do very popular products the probability for this happen is big.

I agree 100%!

I heard that if your product has been switched to Clearance you can contact Deb or Clint and request it be put back, but you have to talk to them....pretty sure I read that in one of the forums?  Sharen

Ah, that explains why stuff I've been keeping an eye on keeps disappearing.  A really sad move IMHO.

Could I please suggest that you bring this up in the Marketplace Customer Support Forum as I am not sure the Store Admins would be likely to spot it here ;o)

Mmm i think is a good thing...
Imagine ALL P4 stuff still in store here.. the store is already "unusable" because of the huge amount of things comming out every week..
So this way they try to keep it usable..

One thing they cando is open a "outlet" were all the discontinued stuff can go...
So when you need something "old" you can always go to the R"O outlet

Ps R'O can pay me for this idea .. i take Vouchers !!

Chris

The store is not "unusable" because of P4 content, it is because there are no filters on the search and the catagories are a mess... e.g. Victoria being full of V3 stuff because it isn't named Victoria1/2. I have given up looking through hair textures and add-ons to find actuall hair products! I just bought a bunch of clearence M2 stuff and I still buy P4 stuff so I could stand the warehouse being a permanent home to legecy stuff myself. Right now I go to clearence because I can know that is where the good stuff is although some stuff is there just because it is priced to high even with a 25% discount.

My big complaint these days is the artist who has every single store New Stuff spammed with clip-art  "products"! How is that stuff even Poser related! A few mega packs would clear up pages of identical promo images for "borders" and "frames" and such.

Two issues:

1. I can understand why they would delete items that aren't selling. After all, if it's not selling, why keep it on the server? It's true that some people may eventually have a use for the item, but is it justified to have a 10M product on the server if only 1 person will ever buy it?

2. The search feature really, really needs to be fixed.
   Just yesterday, I was looking for some clothing for Vicky 2. Now, sure, most stuff for V2 is probably gone by now, but that "department" now seems to be full of V4 stuff. I clicked on Marketplace, then Poser, then Victoria 1/2 and I see clothing and characters for V4. Page 1, page 2, page 3... all V4 stuff. Hmm...

Sounds like any organization or savings of space is nullified by the fact that the product pages and all of their associated images are still stored and therefor only serve the purpose of frustrating potential purchasers.

BTW, is there a way to search for clearance stuff?

Most of people purchase item for V4, so you cannot expect that something for Vicky 2 have many sales, the item is gone!!!!.
Your TV set is one year old?, throw it in the trash and purchase a new one.

not to sound greedy or anything, but at least give the merchants the option  to make it a freebie?
heck, that's mainly why I download as fast as it shows up, because things of all natures dissapear so quickly around here (and elsewhere..;)

Quote - Could I please suggest that you bring this up in the Marketplace Customer Support Forum as I am not sure the Store Admins would be likely to spot it here ;o)

Done.

Thanks Jeff - very often the store admins are so tied up with Store business they don't know about concerns expressed on other sections of the site ;o)

What I wanna know is has anyone done a Poser Sleestak (That Lizard looking guy in Jeffg3's avatar. I used to love that show in the 70's! (Ok, I had a Crush on Will, but that's besides the point!) Oh, and a Poser Chakka! (The original Wookie)

Wow. There's and incredible number of incredible quality products from many of the merchants we are all familiar with in the Clearance section right now. Everyone might want to go look there.

...there's enoph there for a whole second store...

Well, I just checked out the top 20 pages in clearance.  A lot of crap IMHO.  A lot of stuff i wll never miss.

BUT, that's just playing Devil's advocate.  I did see a couple of things that are on my wish list and a few things that I've been really keeping my eye on.  Stuff i will be sad to see disappear before i can afford it.

There also is some quality stuff that I would figure any online store might be proud to keep aroujd because it just raises the overall value of the store.

Ah, but then there is that crap and that horribly outdated stuff.  I feel sorry for peopl who put a whole lot of work into add ons for thing like the Storybook Dragon or any highly taughted but sadly under-realized figure (like maybe even V4?  oh, dare I speak that?)

Anway, I still can't see the economic reasoning behind dumping a few gigs worth of stuff.  There should be better organization in the marketplace and as many products as possible.  To think that the sales of a great item might sag a bit and therefore it disappears is really a heartbreaking thing.

Ah, but life is so transitory, isn't it?

Pakled, Yes! Free the Clearence! I wonder how many vendors would consent!!! It would be anamazing repository of "legecy material"!

hey, it might just be free advertising for their 'spendy' stuff...just a thought. In advertising, as well as marketing "the only thing worse that being talked about is not being talked about"..;)

Nope, Renderosity decide when a product goes into clearence not the vendors.  It is all automated and control is taken from our hands, if we do not wish the product to be in clearence we have to remove it from the store.

Are you sure that it isn't even completely computerised?   The soon-to-disappear recording company, EMI, has had a policy for a long time of pulping unsold CDs (if "pulping" is what you do with CDs), if a particular issue fails to sell a certain minimum within a set time.   The system is computerised and automatic.   Unsold items are herded into the tumbrils and shipped to the guillotine.   This hits the classical releases especially, because they always achieve dramatically lower initial sales than pop  music.   The difference is that  sales of pop music albums almost invariably fall off a cliff after a few weeks, or even days, whereas  a classical recording that stands out may continue to pick up sales figures over decades.   Only very rarely will the classical sales even remotely rival the pop music blockbusters, but, given the chance, they can far more than recoup their costs.

Manufacturing discs and then destroying them, without even trying to sell them, doesn't seem, to me, to make a huge amount of financial sense - and may be one reason why EMI is shortly to be one with Nineveh and Tyre.   Renderosity isn't suffering any similar manufacturing costs, of course, but it's hard to believe, either, that it is making any significant savings by deleting products, since storage is so cheap.   Retaining  the seemingly unwanted stuff , even if it is on a linked site, might be to the benefit of Renderosity, as well as of the users and of the vendors.

What if a vendor's first two releases bomb, for no better reason than that no-one recognises her name?   Her third release takes the market by storm and leads customers to want to see what else she has done - only to find that the Renderosity auto-da-fe has eradicated the earlier efforts.   Who benefits from that?  

The problem is that Renderosity--perhaps in an effort to be fair--has taken leave of its senses by deciding to let the market choose which items shall be retained or dropped. Consequently, the market will gradually morph from a curios shop into a Wal-Mart outlet and the obscure but totally cool stuff will be pushed out along with the garbage. If someone in charge of the market were empowered to decide that, for instance, a slow selling eighteenth century lantern set shouldn't be tossed out along with the twenty-five V2 underwear sets, Renderosity might stand a chance of retaining it’s niche as the widest resource available for Poser artists.

Quote - The problem is that Renderosity--perhaps in an effort to be fair--has taken leave of its senses by deciding to let the market choose which items shall be retained or dropped. Consequently, the market will gradually morph from a curios shop into a Wal-Mart outlet and the obscure but totally cool stuff will be pushed out along with the garbage. If someone in charge of the market were empowered to decide that, for instance, a slow selling eighteenth century lantern set shouldn't be tossed out along with the twenty-five V2 underwear sets, Renderosity might stand a chance of retaining it’s niche as the widest resource available for Poser artists.

Yes my point exactly.

I only recently started using V2, I think she still has a place, she is much easier on my old computer than V4, & even V3 - but it is hard to find quality textures now because they have all disappeared.

Also prop sets, found a great set in clearence the other day - The Basement, very well made, don't think this is crap, & no real reason it should be dropped.

Quote - Also prop sets, found a great set in clearence the other day - The Basement, very well made, don't think this is crap, & no real reason it should be dropped.

Damn!!, it's my  "Basement"? I haven't noticed that it was sent to the Clearance section.
If you want to purchase it do it now within few days, I shall not allow to stay in the Clearance.
I cannot allow to most of my products remain in the Clearance section due two reasons:

1-  I have no bad products, all are good or very good products. Some products are more simple, other more sophisticated, but all are good.
There are excellent products in the Clearance Section, but most of them are a crap giving the impression to the public that all that is there is a crap and this is very negative for my store.

2- A product that goes to the Clearance Section goes at 25% less price, as I have the same product at other shops I cannot allow that it have a different price at different shopes (beside seasonal promos and sales).

In the pastwith the Warehouse merchants had the option to opt out of the Warehouse and a product  that had no sales for 90 days was deleted, also we received a notification when something was going to the Warehouse or deleted.
Now with this new Clearance encarnation we have denied this option and no notification at all, so we have to look everytime at our store to see what was moved and request , if wanted, the deletion one by one.
As I don't visit my store every day, I haven't noticed many products that were moved there, so within some days I shall request the deletion of all my products that had the bad luck to be moved there.

See, this is a perfect example of why the Clearance thing does not work.  Kawecki makes exceptionally fine products (and luckily I know some of his other stores).  It is an insult to merchants and customers to try and move things along so quickly.  There are too many fine products that need a longer "shelf life".

I had been a member of Renderosity for probably a year before I bought my first item.  The first thing I bought I had bought because a year earlier I had bookmarked a link to a texture for it in the marketplace.  It was an awesome texture!  Well, luckily when I was ready to make the leap into investing in Poser products, the outfit was still in the store.  Unfortunately the additional texture sets were long gone.  The thought still makes me sad, years later.

Oh, and one person's "crap" is another person's gold.  If it was good enough to be accepted to the marketplace in the first place, then it should be allowed to remain.

And on the topic of "dated" stuff.  Many things look dated because of older textures or poor shader settings, but many of these things might have fine meshes that can be given new life with a bit of work ont he artist's part.  I find many excellent meshes that once I tweak the textures, they make for great art.

It scares me to think that in a year the marketplace will be devoid of things for V2 and V3 and it will be filled with things for V4.

Here is an idea-
Instead of 90 days and out.
How about total sales in 6 months. Say if in the first 6 months it has less then 20 or 30 or 40 (what ever) sales it goes the clearance/warehouse route. But if it is more then that it stays in the store.

Fare enought for the quality legacy products yet still weeds out the non starters.

With UTC and WW it seems odd to me that any of the V2 and M2 stuffage and so on would really be legacy. I am still using stuff for V3 and M3 and the rest that I bought a long time ago. Seems if new folks come in and pick up these programs there is still a use for the older products.
Marque

The thread on the store support forum says that an effort will be made to try to retain unique items that would not normally have a long shelf life.

There is still a sentiment that older characters have run their course. That's a shame because there are a lot of great older products, that were created for V1/2 and M1/2, that are no longer available. I still use those figures because I have a ton of content for them and they still look good. I'm not going to spend as much for V2 clothing as for a V4 clothing, but will buy it if the price is right. I bought a few last year and will buy more this year if the opportunity presents itself.

Maybe somebody will someday open up a storefront for these older items at a discount price.

Quote - How about total sales in 6 months. Say if in the first 6 months it has less then 20 or 30 or 40 (what ever) sales it goes the clearance/warehouse route.

Yes, but this proposal was ignored, it doesn't matter if a product had no sales at all or was sold 200 times, is just enough to not have one sale in 90 days.
Some products are a fracass, not because it are bad, only people don't want them.
I don't care if a product that nobody wants and had only one or two sales to be deleted of moved to Clearance, but imagine how I feel when a product that people like, had 100 sales, more than 100 in the wishlist is killed!, it had only the bad luck to not have one sale in 90 days.
And this happens, the sales are not uniform, there are periods in the year that I have very few sales, or still have sales but only one or two products being sold and with the remaining nothing.
It can be seasonal variation or who knows the reason. November 2005 was an excellent month for me, but November and December of 2006 were the worst for me. It's a variable period and each time I enter this period my shop is slaughtered.
Today I have only two pages of products at Renderosity, I have made more than 150 products in these years, but only few survived!
I made products for scenes, it are general use products, it can be used with Posette or Vicky6, it run with Poser4 or Poser 10, so I could have easily more than ten pages of products at Renderosity for any kind of use, taste and preference, but the cruel and sad reality is than only remain a little more than a page.......

Quote - > Quote - Also prop sets, found a great set in clearence the other day - The Basement, very well made, don't think this is crap, & no real reason it should be dropped.

Damn!!, it's my  "Basement"? I haven't noticed that it was sent to the Clearance section.
If you want to purchase it do it now within few days, I shall not allow to stay in the Clearance.
I cannot allow to most of my products remain in the Clearance section due two reasons:

1-  I have no bad products, all are good or very good products. Some products are more simple, other more sophisticated, but all are good.
There are excellent products in the Clearance Section, but most of them are a crap giving the impression to the public that all that is there is a crap and this is very negative for my store.

2- A product that goes to the Clearance Section goes at 25% less price, as I have the same product at other shops I cannot allow that it have a different price at different shopes (beside seasonal promos and sales).

In the pastwith the Warehouse merchants had the option to opt out of the Warehouse and a product  that had no sales for 90 days was deleted, also we received a notification when something was going to the Warehouse or deleted.
Now with this new Clearance encarnation we have denied this option and no notification at all, so we have to look everytime at our store to see what was moved and request , if wanted, the deletion one by one.
As I don't visit my store every day, I haven't noticed many products that were moved there, so within some days I shall request the deletion of all my products that had the bad luck to be moved there.

Yes I will vouch it is a very good set, & a great find, have a few more things of yours on my wishlist too, especially want the Great Hall, but am on a self imposed Poser product fast for at least 2 months for overspending LOL

i agree... the whole clearance section should have its own store.... and a categorised one at that...
it does annoy me to no end that neither merchants nor buyers who have the product on their wishlist arent ebotted when it goes into clearance.......

Okay, we are agreed.

DOWN WITH CLEARANCE!

DOWN WITH CLEARANCE!

DOWN WITH CLEARANCE!

This virtual protesting just isn't the same without a mob in the street, banners, jugglers and pepper spray!

I add my voice to the protest.

I just cannot believe that "server space" can be a good reason for deleting products. The average package is few MB... So, Rendo, please:

1. Keep them in store. Do they sell poorly? Ok, keep them in "Clearance", but let this not be the antichamber of death.

2. Please give us a search function that actually WORKS!

Giorgio

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As it is now, you are able to bring back previously clearanced items as long as there is enough updated content.  For example... let's say you had a V2 character package that made it's way through clearance, and it was a good seller so you wanted it back into the MP, well you'd need to update it to the most current version (V4), and you'd be able to put it back into the MP.

as a poser user i dislike this, cause not all users pay to up grade everytime a new character is released. i personally still use v2 and v3 and am not about to buy v4 anytime soon.
i'm just getting into becoming a vendor here and find it sad that i won't be able to get new items for the characters i already have. if you approve  my  submitted store items they will be for older models as thats what i got and feel they need new stuff for those of us that still use them..

so as a vendor we either have to make a totally new item for our store, or upgrade and existing item because someone else created a new version? hmmmmmmm..........

netta