I want to start a new thread from the below as it's evolved from it's original subject matter - it's a shame that bagginsbill's amazing
wood shader discussion is also buried in that thread, not to be seen by many not interested in the subject title itself.

I think we should have a Poser Hall of Fame where people who have or are contributing to the amazing evolution of Poser aside from the original programmers -  who have turned it upside down and inside out to make it do uncharted things and shared their work with the rest of us and who help the community unstintingly and should be acknowledged and remembered.

Who are the people you would want in  the Poser Hall of Fame?

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Posted Wed, May 23, 2007 5:18 pm
    Quote masha:
    "Think we'll have to erect a  statue for you in the Poser Hall of Fame Bagginsbill !

    Why don't we have a Poser Hall of Fame?  These exceptional people  who over the years make Poser extend itself way beyond the neato little program it would otherwise remain.

    A gigantic Hurrah for yu all !!"

    Quote Xenophenz: "Yes......let's erect statues!  All of them standing in the T-position, and with blank stares on their faces!  It would be a badge of honor!
    (bald heads, too......)"

    Quote masha: "hat would be too cruel    :)
    How about  Bagginsbill standing on a wooden pedestal with drapes of fabrics done in his mats and say one of  Ockham  playing py buttons like a mad pianist.  Ajax whipping tentacles or whatever around  and Dr Geep with his foot victoriously atop of NaySay guy.  DPHoadley could be poking his head out of a web of flattened mesh, Trekiegrrl sitting amidst a jumble of everyday bits - on-and-on.  I can think of a few funnies and quite a number of people in the Poser community who'd be fun to immortalize along with a list of their accomplishments and contributions.   SnowSultan a Z toon figure with a color code running down his sides...

    So who would you add in the Poser Hall of Fame?

    "Quote bagginsbill: 
    I would add face_off. Not just because his skin shaders are the best, but because he has been so helpful in the forums. Since he became a dad, he hasn't got time to participate (hasn't posted since December 17 last year) but his body of contributions in 815 posts is outstanding.

    This is my 919th post - I'm planning a mindbending posting for my 1000th.
   
Heh, I was only kidding about 'statues' for them (though it could be fun), but lets hear it for all the others - I have only mentioned a few -  who should be acknowleged and remembered in the Poser Hall of Fame.

Sixus1
for getting 1 complete model out a week for 3 years for the CP freebie while doing other contract work and for having a hand in alot of the content for Poser 7.

Well for product innovation I'd add Stonemason, PhilC, face_off, ockham (though he doesn't charge for his python genius!) ...  for sharing their wealth of knowledge and just plain helpfulness I'd have to say the good Dr Geep, Acadia, bagginsbill, again ockham, maxxxmodels, opera guy, pjz99 (though newish poster a very helpful member) hmmm...  I know there's so many more... I often look for the above posters when scanning the topics and more often than not find a fount of useful Poser information...

Gerard

Anton - for giving away his AMAZING Apollo Maximus figure (especially after all the fiasco earlier!)

Then there is Anton Kiesel who has not only been an excellent content provider over the years but has designed and finally given away for free his brilliant Apollo figure and all contents.  His support has been exceptional too.

We all contribute to the success of Poser in one way or another.

The person who came up with the concept
The ideas and programmer people
The modellers who contribute content
The Beta Testers for the program
The buyers of the program

The modellers who make 3D content to use be it for free or for sale
The people who create textures for such content be it for free or for sale
The people who program scripts to be used within or in inconjunction with Poser
The various Poser fan sites
The members of various communities
The staff who help keep those communities running

That said, there are a few names that stand out in my mind for their exceptional contributions.  In alphabetical order:

Anton
Bagginsbill
Dimension3D
Dr. Geep
Mapps
Ockham
PhilC
svdl

OOps, you beat me Vctoria_Lee :)

Then there are those on other boards like RDNA etc.

I totally forgot Anton!!  Was not intentional!!!!  Also stewer, Sams3D, Kozaburo, Wyrmmaster...

the list goes on!!!

I'd elect myself to the Hall of Fame.  That would make everyone else look even better.:b_funny:

I have to echo my vote for all the immortals mentioned above, and I'd like to add Nerd and Wyrmmaster.

It will give him a big head, but I'd add David Hoadley for remapping Posette to take V3 textures.

I'd like to nominate Ajax (EasyPose), tromnek (Poser RPC scripts), and Poseworks (pzrXml). 

I'd Say add Capsces in there for adding so much more to all the poser figures with her great morph sets!

don't forget
snowsultun for his great template maps of the figures!!
and andi3d for all his great bones!

John Malis for his Armor textures

Forgot some

kirwyn. His/her dynamic hair solutions are innovative and a great asset to animators.
In the same breath: AdoranaDE, for dynamic hair.

And: B.L. Render (Bloodsong). t "Secrets of figure creation for Poser"  is an indispensable asset for those who wish to create content for Poser.

VK. I wouldn't be surprised if the Poser 7 dependent parameters are an evolution of his work with complex master/slave dial relationships.

lesbentley and nruddock, for their Poser tech contributions.

If we're going that far in - DeeCey for her "Practical Poser" books.  I love mine!

My personal Poser Hall of Fame consists of the people who bring innovation to Poser and/or spread knowledge about the workings of Poser. Anton, bagginsbill, face_off and many others are innovators, while Dr. Geep and B.L. Render are prime examples of knowledge disseminators.

A great modeling or texture artist (and there are many of those) brings great content to Poser users, but does not innovate Poser, nor does he/she spread knowledge.

That's just my personal opinion. Not really surprising, considering the fact that my scientific background is far more extensive than my artistic one (which is almost nonexistent).

I'd add every user of poser. In the end its those who use poser for various different things who drive the innovations.

"In the end its those who use poser for various different things who drive the innovations."

That may be true for other people, but not for me. If there was not a single one of you Poser users, I'd still be interested in doing shaders. 

Puzzling out how to make a certain shader is like a Sudoku puzzle. When I solve a good Sudoku, the sense of accomplishment is in no way diminished by the fact that not another soul is going to admire, find use for, or even comment on my solution. To me, if you find my shader solutions useful, that's kind of amusing. It's like you're digging through my trash and pulling out my finished Sudokus and framing them or something. :biggrin:

I also compose, arrange, perform, and record music that nobody - not a single person besides me - has ever heard. I suppose somebody might find the music useful or pleasant to listen to but that's not why I do it.

What about that feller what come up with MAT poses ;p

Quote
    I'd add every user of poser. In the end its those who use poser for various different things who drive the innovations.

Not necessarily  darth_poserus.  I think people do it for themselves because they want to achieve certain things or because they are challenged and have the capabilties and talent  But - and this is a big BUT-  they don't keep it to themselves like jealously guarded secrets but share it with the rest of us,  and they put up with being bombarded by follow-up questions and further pleas for help. 
Credit where credit is due :)

@ svdl I pretty well concur with your personal categories  but I'd add the most  prolific sharers  of  their labour of love as freebies,
and the ones who shared great add-ons that make the creative process that much easier and faster for us all  (Ie P3dO the Poser Browser by Yarp, given away for free all these years of its evolution - the creator of UVMapper etc.)

I don't know where we'd need to draw the line

The honour roll be categorized as below - or however we decide.  The descriptions are hasty quickies right now and in some cases missing still.  It would be good if the people who nominated them would elaborate on their valuable contributions in a short paragraph for the edification of everyone.  

Then we can have to talk the  PTB  at significant sites to dedicate a page to them on their site.  What say you moderators here at Rendo?

And let's not forget anyone, if possible.  They need to be acknowledged and honoured.

The great technical Poser Innovators:

The master disseminators of Poser knowledge

The contributors of  invaluable free Poser add-ons

The  most generous of freebie sharers  ever

Acadia -  for always sharing her  their wealth of Poser related links and her helpfulness
AdoranaDE - dynamic hair.
Ajax - (EasyPose)
andi3d -  for all his great bones
Anton - who has not only been an excellent content provider over the years but has designed and finally given away for free his brilliant Apollo figure and all contents.  His support has been exceptional too.
Bagginsbill - for sharing his Matmatic and taking shaders    to new levels
lesbentley- a great many  Poser tech contributions and ever helpful
B.L. Render (Bloodsong).  "Secrets of figure creation for Poser"  is an indispensable asset for those who wish to create content for Poser.
Capsces - for adding so much more to all the poser figures with her great morph sets!
DeeCey  - for her "Practical Poser" books.
Dimension3D
Dr. Geep - for his unique classroom style who has  newbies grinning  while climbing that painful learning curve
face_off - Not just because his skin shaders are the best, but because he has been so helpful in the forums.
David Hoadley  - for remapping Posette to take V3 textures.
kirwyn.- His/her dynamic hair solutions are innovative and a great asset to animators.
Kozaburo - transmapped hair freebies which are still widely used and some of  the best hairs around.
John Malis - for his Armor textures
Mapps - so generous with his great freebies
maxxxmodels - great helpfulness
Nerd
Ockham - great python scripts automating a great many Poser functions all for free
opera guy - enlightening discussions
PhilC - tutorials and great add-ons like Wardrobe Wizard etc
pjz99 - great assistance
nruddock - for  invaluable Poser tech contributions.
tromnek - (Poser RPC scripts)
Sams3D - generosity with superb freebies
Sixus1-  for getting 1 complete model out a week for 3 years for the CP freebie while doing other contract work and for having a hand in a lot of the content for Poser 7.
slinger
svdl
stewer - one of the most informative and enlightening helpers
Stonemason - superb product innovation
Trekiegrrl - freebies galore
tromnek (Poser RPC scripts)
VK. I wouldn't be surprised if the Poser 7 dependent parameters are an evolution of his work with complex master/slave dial relationships.
Wyrmmaster

First ones that come to mind would be PhilC (for either allready having a tut, or for answering my questions so many years ago, as well as his work that inspired me to create) and Nerd (for his work as well, in the early days of Poser)

There are many others, but these 2 stick out at the forefront of my mind

" snowsultan for his great template maps of the figures!!"

Thank you Bnetta, I appreciate the mention.  :)

SnowS

Did we forget Steve Shanks?

So let me get this straight. Some want too create a poser hall of fame, too "celebrate all the great innovators of Poser". 

Yet don't want to include those who are directly responsible for there being a Poser to innovate to begin with.

Poser unlike this fairytale myth that some just won't let go of, is not about the art, it's about the money. All one has to do, is just look down in our very own copyright forum and you'll see that.

So that said.

Without the end user to buy Poser, there wouldn't be a Poser to begin with. 

No Poser to begin with, and no innovations for Poser, or addons for Poser, or items for use in poser. LOL

I mean for example, surely no one here seriously thinks that Zygote, Curious labs, or DAZ would have created anything for Poser if there never was a market for Poser to begin with do they?

As the obvious answer to that question is NO. It is the end user who deserves to be given some credit for driving innovation.

Lastly if there is going to be a "hall of fame" and I don't think there should for many reasons, then those who truly deserve the credit are the original creators of poser in the first place, and oddly enough to date I dont see any of their names listed on the above list.

nitrane, hokusai, kozaburo, sharkey, happyworldland, don tatro, legume, anton, sixus, sams3d, batlabs, jack k., willow, stewer, colin g., kupa, a. hernandez, larry w., et al.

First off, I gotta say how deeply honored I feel about my inclusion on such a list.  Thank you svdl.  But as Darth Poserus says, the list of those that have contributed to Poser's popularity is very all-encompassing.  In my mind, the list would probably stretch halfway 'round the world.  It is really nice, ain't no doubt about it, to be recognized in some way.  But in some sense, it would be a tragedy to leave out just one person who is equally deserving of such recognition.  And so I say, "Thumbs-up and a hearty smile to all you Poserites!"  Lets have some fun.

I agree with Darth Poserus why have a cult of celebrity ?

Wasn't the original point of Poser to be an artists tool. 

It's a tool that makes art more democratic and liberating, so Darth is right it's the 1000's of everyday users who make programme what it is, and yes that includes all those names shown, all the freestuffers, the merchants, those that run the poser stores etc etc, not just a select few. 

Also remember celebrity is a fleeting thing :)

I already have my cult - the Node Cult at RDNA. 

I don't really care what happens here, but Darth I think you've convinced me that I've been behaving very stupidly. It should be about the money and I haven't been thinking about that.

I think I'll write a book, and when I see someone having trouble with Poser, I'll tell them that the answer to their question is on page XX in my book - go buy it.

And I think I"ll start charging for shaders. I could use the money. Several people have already suggested that I really should be charging and it is very strange that I don't. And then people started talking about how cool that is and it deserves some sort of recognition. And now I know the perfect form - you shall pay me after all. 

:biggrin:

:b_tonguewink:   :b_funny:

I would include everyone who ever made or hosted freebies for the community. Without that kind of generousity, we wouldn't be nearly as rich with content as we are today.

A lot of great names on the list, I may have missed them, but I'd also nominate Tim Laubauch, Sydd, Traveler, Maveris, Dodger and As Shanim/Siliphiel.

you better add Schlabber...he is the posing genius and has helped pretty much everyone in their posing endeavors. He has been around since the beginning

another person is Chris Derochie
He started The Forge/PoseAmation back in the late 90s and has been instrumental in a lot of the early Poser animation and is still actively doing BVH work.

The problem with a "Hall of Fame" is that you will always leave some one out.
 
Do you include the person who you, personally, think makes one cool item? Or do you include the person who's made tons of items, both for free and for sale for years?
 
Or do you only include the "popular" people whose names always seem to come up?
 
Do you include merchants who make best-selling items but never participate in the forums?
 
Do you include the person who first came up with an idea (the "inventor") or do you include the person who took that idea to the next level (the "innovator")?
For example, do you include the person who first came up with the idea for ERC controls or do you include the person who applies this idea to complex moving parts such as tank treads or Python-script controlled, realistic breathing?
 
What about the developers of Poser? Would we even be here today if someone decided that Poser should remain an "artists' aide" and simply produce images using the mannequin or the P1 figures?
 
What about the original programmers of Poser who made all of the Poser files "open source" to the point where we can edit figures, poses, props, and other files using a simple text editor? They could have just as easily made the files in a "binary" format, which would make them a lot harder to edit.

This thread cam up once beore, as far as I can remember.

Old to new:

Ockham
SVDL
nruddock
bagginsbill

@ kirwin   "But in some sense, it would be a tragedy to leave out just one person who is equally deserving of such recognition."

With this I quite agree  - and for this same reason perhaps trying to create a formalized Hall of Fame would be a mistake.  There's always the chance of slighting someone very well deserving - for instance the people who discovered and disseminated all the work-arounds in the early days that allowed Poser to perform beyond certain limitations and also raised the bar for future releases of the program itself.. Some of the names are no longer familiar or oft mentioned.

I also agree that the list would be so long that it would take up pages.

However to the objection that the makers of the program aren't  mentioned, I would say they get credit when the program itself is opened or else in the About Poser dropdown. 

The arguement that users themselves should get credit simply for using is just silly  though the very questions they ask might inspire the innovators towards finding  solutions. Their exceptional results might get  honoured but that's another story.

Merchants get their acknowledgements when their product is bought and get praised in forums.

Some freebie providers become eventual merchants and get their appreciation when their efforts are financially rewarded.

And some keep on sharing anyway and divulge their methods and innovations freely, take face-off or PhilC or svdl etc as an example.  You can duplicate their methods if you don't care to pay for ease of use - because they share it with the rest of us.  

So these people who have extended Poser  and the ones who never charge for some of their efforts, some of them absolutely brilliant, are the ones I think should be honoured  by  special mention.  And I don't think it's anything to do with any kind of "celebrity cult"

So if it goes no further than this thread at least we get a chance here to demonstrate our appreciation and let them know the esteem they're held in.  So keep on adding. :)

LITTLE DRAGON!!!

Too late bagginsbill :)  We have already benefited from your tremendeous work with shaders and your  sharing it with us.  If you make money with your further endevours all the luck to you!  May you profit as much as we have profited by your genrosity.

Cheers,
Masha

Can I nominate my cats :)

Nevermind.

I see a lot of greats here that deserve recognition, but I did not notice Steve Cooper's or Dan Farr's name mentioned in my quick perusal of this thread.  I am very grateful for the work that the two of them have put into Poser to make it the art that we enjoy today.

Jay Button

 Agree, Little Dragon is a must. He can make a "Box" talk.
and all the above.

Shalom Aleichem;
If I may, I'd like to nominate both of the following:
Pitklad for NEAena, Neja, and Domus.
Stahlratte for GIRL 3, Wiktorija, and Valerie.

Aleichem Ha-Shalom,
David P. Hoadley

jay, I mentioned kupa, but I inadvertently omitted dan, tim and an host of others, whose names are legion.

Quote - The problem with a "Hall of Fame" is that you will always leave some one out.

Yep. Yamato and the woman with the very unusual name (sorry!) with the Poser 3/4 Long Conforming Curls.

So many. But we can built the Hall of Fame in Virtual Space. Always room to add more!

So here we are so far:

In appreciation - honourable mentions of some great  user-contributors to Poser's  continuing evolution into a terrific program.

Acadia -  for always sharing her  their wealth of Poser related links and her helpfulness
AdoranaDE - dynamic hair.
Ajax - (EasyPose)
andi3d -  for all his great bones
Anton - who has not only been an excellent content provider over the years but has designed and finally given away for free his brilliant Apollo figure and all contents.  His support has been exceptional too.
As Shanim/Siliphiel -
Bagginsbill - for sharing his Matmatic and taking shaders    to new levels
lesbentley- a great many  Poser tech contributions and ever helpful
B.L. Render (Bloodsong).  "Secrets of figure creation for Poser"  is an indispensable asset for those who wish to create content for Poser.
Capsces - for adding so much more to all the poser figures with her great morph sets!
DeeCey  - for her "Practical Poser" books.
Chris Derochie - started The Forge/PoseAmation back in the late 90s and has been instrumental in a lot of the early Poser animation and is still actively doing BVH work.
Dimension3D
Dodger
Dr. Geep - for his unique classroom style who has  newbies grinning  while climbing that painful learning curve
colin g
face_off - Not just because his skin shaders are the best, but because he has been so helpful in the forums.
a.hernandez
DPHoadley  - for remapping Posette to take V3 textures.
hokusai
kirwyn.- His/her dynamic hair solutions are innovative and a great asset to animators.
Kozaburo - transmapped hair freebies which are still widely used and some of  the best hairs around.
 jack k
 kupa
Tim Laubauch
 legume
LittleDragon
John Malis - for his Armor textures
Mapps - so generous with his great freebies
Maveris
maxxxmodels - great helpfulness
Nerd
nitrane
Ockham - for great python scripts automating a great many Poser functions- all for free
opera guy - enlightening discussions
PhilC - tutorials and great add-ons like Wardrobe Wizard etc
Pitklad for NEAena, Neja, and Domus.
pjz99 - great assistance
nruddock - for  invaluable Poser tech contributions.
tromnek - (Poser RPC scripts)
Sams3D - generosity with superb freebies and tutes
Steve Shanks
Schlabber...he is the posing genius and has helped pretty much everyone in their posing endeavors.
sharkey
Sixus1-  for getting 1 complete model out a week for 3 years for the CP freebie while doing other contract work and for having a hand in a lot of the content for Poser 7.
slinger
snowsultan - for his great template maps of the figures!!
Stahlratte for GIRL 3, Wiktorija, and Valerie
stewer - one of the most informative and enlightening helpers
Stonemason - superb product innovation
svdl
Sydd
don tatro
Traveler
Trekiegrrl - freebies galore
tromnek (Poser RPC scripts)
VK - I wouldn't be surprised if the Poser 7 dependent parameters are an evolution of his work with complex master/slave dial relationships.
larry w
willow
Wyrmmaster
yamamoto - Batlabs
yamato
Yarp - for free 3PDO which makes Poser file navigation so much easier.

And by special request the cats that own mrsparky :)

It would be great if you all could add the contributions these people should be remembered for in a short sentence or 2.  And yes always room to add more.

Attached Link: Hear are da histoire of da Poser in pikturs ... ifn yuse want ta see dem.

Larry Weinberg

... da kreateor of da Poser tipe thingie !

Wifout him dere wooden be nun a dis stuff.

Das jus ma upinion ... ah kud be rong.
(butt Ah ain't, ha, ha)

HAY !!! ... Yuse guys fergitted ta add mois!
(sniff)

Jaager.......enough said.