As I'm typing this, I notice that there are 1775 artists online here. The maximum number of people in the ContentParadis forums has been 38. It's kind of a telling statement about the community support to the two sites.

I was looking for a forum, at ContentParadise to post a general message and they're not set up for general conversations other than in the members area. I was going to let them know that their E-Frontier name hasn't been taken in MySpace yet. DAZ3D's name was taken by a 15-year old girl in MySpace. Since CP doesn't have anyplace where I can post this info, and the fact that they deleted my post announcing the MySpace Poser group, they're on their own.

I'd like to know the number of items for sale over at CP. There never seems to be a lot of new stuff being released. Maybe I'm wrong about this.
Rendo and Daz both seem to have way more "content" than CP.
Perhaps this is just the market niche that they are happy with; which is fine.

maybe it's not really a 15-yr-old girl. maybe dan actually got in there several months ago and took care of it. then the 15-yr-old girl would be ..... jeez, I haven't the foggiest.

DAZ3D name take by a 15 yr old girl? Probably supposed to be 133t for dazed then, Lol.

At least over here at Rendo I can freely download the Poser freebies without having to have P6/P7 that turned off a lot of people/users so why go to CP forums? There's nothing of interest there in my opinion. They are not for the common Poser or Daz Studio user like Rendo is. You can post freely here & ask questions, you can't over there.

(MHO)

CP is pretty bad IMO....but its a strong opinion. ?Having to be a member to do most of the forum is just bad customer service, especially when that is the main avenue to get customer service from them, which is pretty bad anyway.
Most of the CP items are from Rendo..or should I say they're just a front for the same stuff, Also RDNA, Vanishing Point and quite a few others.

Here's the blurp from the forums front page if you're NOT a Passport member::

forums available only to Passport members:
 
Passport Members Forum
CP Support
Poser
Shade
Suggestion Box 

So to even get Poser support, you have to be a passport member. CP belongs to eFrontiers if I'm not mistaken
 

Quote - CP is pretty bad IMO....but its a strong opinion. ?Having to be a member to do most of the forum is just bad customer service, especially when that is the main avenue to get customer service from them, which is pretty bad anyway.
Most of the CP items are from Rendo..or should I say they're just a front for the same stuff, Also RDNA, Vanishing Point and quite a few others.

Here's the blurp from the forums front page if you're NOT a Passport member::

forums available only to Passport members:
 
Passport Members Forum
CP Support
Poser
Shade
Suggestion Box 

So to even get Poser support, you have to be a passport member. CP belongs to eFrontiers if I'm not mistaken
 

Last Time I looked, all of these were Free:

General Information
Announcements
Vendor Announcements
Featured Image Submissions
User Story Submissions Poser Forums
The Official Poser 7 Forum
Poser Peer Q & A
Poser Figure Artist
Virtual Fashion
Python Scripting
Resource Room

Other 3D Forums
Shade
Amapi

2D Product Forums
Anime Studio
Manga Studio
MotionArtist

Characters & Content
Miki 2.0
G2 Males
G2 Females
Terai Yuki
Jessi & James
Miki & Koji 1.0
ApolloMaximus
Weekly Content
Other e frontier content & Content Paradise
Other Content

International Language Forums
German
French
Japanese 

*I notice that there are 1775 artists online here. The maximum number of people in the ContentParadis forums has been 38.

sorry your basis is actually wrong.

lets look at the figures there. 1775 online. for how many forums? Rendo has more forums than just poser. to list a few, there's Photoshop, 3D Max, Lightwave, Bryce, Vue.. so straight off the numbers are split between many subject areas not concerned with Poser at all. then the total users also contains those that are currently browsing the store (CP's forums does not) and duplicate accounts / logins, gallery views and those just to see the front page.

so in actual fact the figures do not compare at all since you are comparing the figures of a sprawling multi subject site with those of a specialist site. it's like comparing a cheese shop to a supermarket.

I think myspace is overrated. I generally dont like the site, maybe I am too old for it, i think the main audience is around 14 years old.

I dont see why a company should join myspace, i really dont see myspace connected to 3D or business.

Maybe i just don't know myspace well enough, but i already browsed dozens of sites there. What does it help me to see some kid likes David Hasselhoff and Ice Cream? Also i hate that everyone can post annoying music on their site. I am alway listening to my own music when surfing the web and always got shocked when i get tortured with random rap songs or so on myspace. I really dont get why myspace is so popular, but as i already said - I am probably just too old (fashioned?)...

would this be a good time to ask if it's true that myspace admins have said they are co-operating with the feds/cops in regard to pedophiles and child predators who are registered on their site? meaning they apparently release all the personal and registration info of anybody they suspect to be a pedophile. either that, or feds/cops who monitor the site may suspect some guy is a predator, then ask myspace for his info, which they give to the cops without the formality of a subpoena or other legal trivia.

Quote - Rendo has more forums than just poser. to list a few, there's Photoshop, 3D Max, Lightwave, Bryce, Vue..

True, but Poser is still the bread and butter of Renderosity and its forums. If you go to the main forum page, there are stats for every forum. Poser accounts for 47% of all threads in the Software category and 51% of all the posts. If Topics and Administration are added in, Poser accounts for 34% of the threads and 38% of the posts. Apply those percentages against 2579 artists online now and CP only has about 4% of the audience that the Poser forum in Renderosity has. That's without taking into account that CP has forums for Shade, Manga and Anime studios, and other foreign language forums. The actual percentage of Poser users participating at CP versus here would actually be about 2% based on 12 users looking in Poser forums out of 23 users in the forums when I looked just now.

These are just statistics. Renderosity has been around much longer, so it's going to have more active members. E-Frontier is the first Poser-owning company to even make an effort to court an online community and their nice weekly free figure models represent one way to get the community to take a look. DAZ started their forum in October 2003 and have a significantly more active community forum than CP. E-Frontier acquired Poser in 2003, but it appears that ContentParadise didn't exist as a community/storefront till around March 2005 because that's when I downloaded the first freebie, a bee figure.

I'd imagine that there are other forums, that don't have the backing of the company that owns Poser, that are more active than CP with more than a couple dozen users reading the forum at one time. Their record, after two years of existence is only a dozen more.  I just looked at PhilC's forum and his record is 67 at one time.  The max for Faerywylde is 48. The latter two forums only have a handful of users currently looking at them, so CP's Poser forums are twice as busy at this point in time.

sorry still incorrect, since your numbers are still off buy a signifcant margin.

but I bow out of this. the point, whether you agree or not, has been made.

Quote - I think myspace is overrated. I generally dont like the site, maybe I am too old for it, i think the main audience is around 14 years old.

14 is the youngest age that MySpace will allow to have an account. I haven't the foggiest notion what the average age is at the site. I'd guess that the average age of Poser users, based on a sampling of the profiles I've looked at (without doing a real mathematical average), is about late-20s to early-30s. That's typical of the other groups and profiles that I've seen. I'm not looking at the same things as a 14-year old, so I'm only seeing a sampling of ages of people with similar interests.

I'd love to see the media focus on the real problems with MySpace, such as spam, buggy code, and outages. Maybe they'd do more to fix the things that annoy its membership. Instead, the media focuses on topics that really apply across the internet, but focus on MySpace because it's relatively new and because it's bigger. Pick any forum, that appeals to kids, and do a Google search with that forum's name and "sexual predator" and there's probably a story about it. Type in the name "Disney" and there's stories about employees being arrested. Somebody else showed an MSNBC article about a woman, who posted an embarrassing photo on MySpace and lost a teaching job. Guess what?--post an embarrassing photo here and, if the boss catches wind of it, there will be one more person on unemployment. Post an embarrassing photo anywhere on the net and it's there for life and could have bad repercussions long into the future. These are problems with any forum and they're not peculiar to MySpace other than that MySpace's size and popularity makes them more noticeable. Let's face it--Americans really don't like anything that gets too big or too popular.

As to whether MySpace is overrated, it probably is. It's just a collective place where somebody can have an internet profile and there are good things and bad things about being the largest. One can argue about the merits of the specific process of finding people in MySpace versus some other networking site, but those don't tend to be the kinds of things that are newsworthy.

While I do post here once in a while, I never buy here. I prefer buying at CP, saves me visiting a good number of websites. For me CP offers the best of R'dosity, RuntimeDNA and some other sites. Their forums may be slow going, but that says nothing of their sales.

Rendo and Daz both seem to have way more "content" than CP.
Rendo sure does, but DAZ doesn't anymore. There are way more new releases at CP then there are at DAZ. Seems like DAZ only releases a few items each week now, CP releases a few each day. I wouldn't be suprised if CP is selling more then DAZ does these days.

*I'd like to know the number of items for sale over at CP. There never seems to be a lot of new stuff being released. Maybe I'm wrong about this.
Rendo and Daz both seem to have way more "content" than CP.
Perhaps this is just the market niche that they are happy with; which is fine.

*CP must have more new content than Renderosity, because everything that appears on Renderosity also appears on CP, although I think there may be a 24-hour lag;  on top of the Renderosity material, CP has items from the likes of poserworks, RDNA, PhilC and Vanishing Point.   None of those are exclusive to CP, but CP does do a reasonable job of supporting the Poser 7 figures, plus TY2 and the Mikis.

CP is about E-frontier products, meaning Poser and Shade.   You can find items on there that are for other applications, especially Vue, but I'd hardly expect CP to have much interest in plugging DAZ/Studio, Carrara, or Bryce.   After all, D/S is meant as a direct competitor to Poser.   Carrara has and will have no support for Poser 7.   Bryce should long ago have gone the same way as the practice of painting reindeer on the walls of caves.

*Somebody else showed an MSNBC article about a woman, who posted an embarrassing photo on MySpace and lost a teaching job. Guess what?--post an embarrassing photo here and, if the boss catches wind of it, there will be one more person on unemployment

the 'embarrising photo was her wearing a paper pirate hat drinking from a plastic cup'. please just her head and hand showing. please explain why someone should loose a job for that? or how that is 'embarrassing'? answer? it was not. It was actually totally innocent.*

Quote - I'd like to know the number of items for sale over at CP. There never seems to be a lot of new stuff being released. Maybe I'm wrong about this.

Actually, I would be willing to bet that CP has a far larger selection than Renderosity. After all, CP is made up of products from Renderosity, RuntimeDNA, Vanishing Point, Netherworks, and all of the other partners.
 
Also keep in mind the CP is run by e-frontier as a marketplace site. Renderosity has always prided itself on being a community site.
The Poser community has almost been trained to come directly here and ask a question instead of posting it in the forums at CP.

CP has some nice stuff..the only thing I don't understand is the sudden "poser 6 or bust" bit.  Heck, I still have Poser 3 and 4 (not that I use 'em that much, but still...;) but even with 5, I'm not 'part of the club'. I've never seen any other site do something like that (and lawsy, have I seen a lot of Poser sites..;)

'rosity isn't as picky as all that, so it's part of an online breakfast for me..;)

Quote - I'd like to know the number of items for sale over at CP. There never seems to be a lot of new stuff being released. Maybe I'm wrong about this.
Rendo and Daz both seem to have way more "content" than CP.
Perhaps this is just the market niche that they are happy with; which is fine.

I don't know how many products are on sale at CP, but I have a couple of products there myself under the vendor name of "Nubbin Ridge Designs".

actually that number up there at the top of hte page is not the amount of people on line here, it is also bots and spiders and google multiple pages open from the same user  etc... to get an accurate count of how many is online at any time look at the members online area.

So to me right now there are suppose to be 1865 artists online but really according to the who's online it is really only 571

Quote - CP has some nice stuff..the only thing I don't understand is the sudden "poser 6 or bust" bit.  Heck, I still have Poser 3 and 4 (not that I use 'em that much, but still...;) but even with 5, I'm not 'part of the club'. I've never seen any other site do something like that (and lawsy, have I seen a lot of Poser sites..;)

'rosity isn't as picky as all that, so it's part of an online breakfast for me..;)

Poser Pros and now RundtimeDNA have held Polls to see who uses which Poser Software.
Here is how Poser versions Stack Up
Poser 3 = 0
Poser 4 = 24
P4ProPak = 5
Poser 5 = 55
Poser 6 = 131
Poser 7 = 248

Quote - > Quote - Rendo has more forums than just poser. to list a few, there's Photoshop, 3D Max, Lightwave, Bryce, Vue..

 

I'd imagine that there are other forums, that don't have the backing of the company that owns Poser, that are more active than CP with more than a couple dozen users reading the forum at one time. Their record, after two years of existence is only a dozen more.  I just looked at PhilC's forum and his record is 67 at one time.  The max for Faerywylde is 48. The latter two forums only have a handful of users currently looking at them, so CP's Poser forums are twice as busy at this point in time.

I guess you can come up with any number you want.
CP has just done a total Overhaul of their Forum Software.
I happen to know for a fact that there were 124 People in the ApolloMaximus Forum all at the same time, never mind any of the other forums there.

80 Members
42 Guests
2 Anonymous

I have been to Poser Pros Forums recently and not one new post in 24 hours. PP Forum is another site owned by Daz. 

DR

The way that I see it, there is no "versus" about such a closely-tied relationship.

CP and Rendo support one another in many, many different ways.  So it's not an adversarial type of situation.  That would be like saying that your local supermarket is somehow in competition with their own supply-chain distributors.  They aren't in competition -- because each business works in concert with the other.

Quote - The way that I see it, there is no "versus" about such a closely-tied relationship.

With a lot of Renderosity content at ContentParadise, the sites don't see themselves as being in competition. I was mostly surprised at the disparity of the number of people in each forum, though it appears that the numbers at both sites are somewhat misleading.

There's a $5 off coupon at CP good till the end of the month.

I was mostly surprised at the disparity of the number of people in each forum, though it appears that the numbers at both sites are somewhat misleading.*

yup I tried to point that out to you. sorry. I thought you knew all the factors involved, eg the actual member count online at rendo, the fact that CP just switched over Forum Systems etc.

Quote - Poser Pros and now RundtimeDNA have held Polls to see who uses which Poser Software. Here is how Poser versions Stack Up
Poser 3 = 0
Poser 4 = 24
P4ProPak = 5
Poser 5 = 55
Poser 6 = 131
Poser 7 = 248

Nol offence is meant, but this just proves the point about these kinds of polls:
Does this mean that only 24 people use Poser 4 and only 55 people use Poser 5?
Or is this the percentage of people? So 248% of all users use Poser 7?
This poll really means, "Out of all the people who took the time to answer this poll, 24 people said they use Poser 4."
 
In other words, these kinds of surveys still don't accurately portray the percentage of users who are using each version of Poser.

actually almost everything for sale here ends up for sale at CP around 24 hours later.  And since you get 5% rebate on everything you buy at CP I tend to make my purchases there.  On an average month I get enough money back from CP that I can buy myself a Poser product for free.

me too I tend to spend my money over there, even though it is from sales here and there

Quote - > Quote - Poser Pros and now RundtimeDNA have held Polls to see who uses which Poser Software. Here is how Poser versions Stack Up

Poser 3 = 0
Poser 4 = 24
P4ProPak = 5
Poser 5 = 55
Poser 6 = 131
Poser 7 = 248

Nol offence is meant, but this just proves the point about these kinds of polls:
Does this mean that only 24 people use Poser 4 and only 55 people use Poser 5?
Or is this the percentage of people? So 248% of all users use Poser 7?
This poll really means, "Out of all the people who took the time to answer this poll, 24 people said they use Poser 4."
 
In other words, these kinds of surveys still don't accurately portray the percentage of users who are using each version of Poser.

These are not perectages, they are the number of users of each software that responded to the poll.
Poser 3 = 0
Poser 4 = 24  users = 5.18%
P4ProPak = 5  users = 1.08%
Poser 5 = 55   users=  11.88%
Poser 6 = 131   users= 28.29%
Poser 7 = 248   users= 53.56%

Quote - me too I tend to spend my money over there, even though it is from sales here and there

Add me to the list as well.
They CP presently have a $5.00 Off on anything coupon.

DR

Why go 4 or 5 different places if you can get it all at one place called CP? I do buy stuff from renderosity at CP, simply because the marketplace here is slow, search function is bad and I find everything a bit unorganized and cluittered. I find CP easy to navigate and much more organized, having more & better preview images also. At CP I often get a better and more accurate view of the content then at the original place it's been sold.

An yes, the slip in these cool coupons once in a while that can be used at everything, I like that. For me much better the % off that is offered here, but one needs to buy over a certain amount of money, but often I only want to buy one product. It's also much better then the DAZ coupons, I never liked those, there only worth full price on the DAZ content (which hardly ever interests me) and only give you a small amount of the other stuff which I'd like to buy.

I prefer shopping CP at any given day.

Quote - [
They CP presently have a $5.00 Off on anything coupon.

DR

Hmm - can someone point me to the details about the coupon - can't see anything about it in "My Stuff"

A coupon is always handy

look on the front page ;)

:b_tonguewink:

Don't I feel a fool - it was that big I just didn't see it......

Thanks for pointing it out.

Hurry, it expires in a couple of days...

I will not get into the other stuff... personally, I check out all the sites and forums regularly.

In Fairness, Renderosity is mostly forum and gallery traffic. See link.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=renderosity.com

You can compare up to 5 sites together.

Marketplace traffic is generally always less than 25% of the site traffic. I imagine a lot of people checking sales and such.

Content paradise is almost all store traffic.

I don't hate CP, I just find the site slow & heavy going.

I only started shopping there because of the free passport with Poser 7, but am unlikely to extend it because it is just too irrigating for me to shop there.

1. Site is too graphic intensive, a bit like RDNA, which is why I don't visit there often, pages load way too slowly, & I am on broadband, must be a nightmare for those on dial-up.

2. Things are way to hard to find - I like to browse by category, but the categories over there are buried & hard to find.

3. Purchase links expire, and they do not guarantee you will be able to download your purchases again if you have a problem down the track. Whereas here, DAZ, RDNA etc everything I have purchased is available to download again, or at least be easily reset.

4. Forums - a bit slow on response & ebots are not reliable (in my experience) telling you there is a response.

5. Newsletters are very slow. Last one came out with only 3 days of the "week" to go. The one a while back were there was some fantastic freebie for one day only came after the fact!

So for me the disadvantages far out way the advantages (a slight discount) I would rather forgo the discount & visit the individual sites.