Quote - Hmmmmm......obviously an excellent site design.  Everyone should be sure to visit there.  Often.

Right... Right! :)

OK -- I just went over there to take a quick look at the forums (which I hadn't done yet).

Frankly -- it doesn't look so bad to me.  In fact, I kind of like it.  They've got a kind of gradient thing going -- which I suppose might bother some people.  Hey: some people get motion sickness playing a jump & shoot video game.  But that doesn't stop the industry from making jump & shoot video games.

Remember that Japanese cartoon a few years back?  The one with -- IIRC -- flashing red eyes on a dragon?  The one that caused a large number of Japanese kids who were watching the show on TV to go catatonic.........?  Well.........this DAZ site changeover doesn't remind me of that.

Stare at the forums for for a while and then let us know if you don't walk away with headache? Everyone keeps going by the frontpage. Have a good look around then decide if you can widthstand it for more than five minutes at a time without losing your eyesite? :)

Although the topic titles now look blue instead of the faded black. The way it was before was like a printer running out of black ink. Just ewww.

Does Daz know about this thread and what people are saying about it? I mean the physical pain issue it's causing to some people when they look at it?

I can understand them not doing anything about it if it was just a bad colour choice with people saying it was ugly etc.....but me and so many others are saying that it physically causes eye pain.  They really should do something about that so that it's user friendly and not a "medical risk" to people who visit there.

I'd write them myself but my eyes are so sensitive to their colour tone  choice that I can't go back there until it's fixed.

Does someone have an email address for them that I can use to send from my Outlook Express?

Quote - Does Daz know about this thread and what people are saying about it ?

They've put up an official feedback thread (-> http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=60256) in "The Commons", so I'm certain they've taken notice of the many other threads in their own forums complaining.

I'm a little surprised that they didn't learn from what happened with the site conversion here, i.e. that "one colour scheme doesn't fit all".

**Acadia
**I know what you mean about eye pain. I can seldom be online as it is due to poor eyesite. After rendering and staring at Poser for hours on end who wants to go to Daz for more eyestrain?

I think Daz is slowly getting the hint. The forums look different. If they would just darken the background image it wouldn't be so bad on the eyes.

We stare at out monitors for long periods of time, even off line. After a while it does bother you.
When I'm animating for 8 hours a day I can barely see straight lol.

Seems like the new website is broken already...... it sure is very slow.

The navigation is broke. They are having 50% off sale, but if you click to see items, it returns an error code.  I am using Firefox on XP.

Quote - Seems like the new website is broken already...... it sure is very slow.

Not unusual when DAZ offer something for free (Bryce 5.5 at the moment), run a sale on huge items (the Masters Series items are massive downloads) and come up with a an idea that means many people constantly refreshing the store pages (see -> http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=60250).

All the extra clicks might be causing the site to have a nervous breakdown. I havent been able to login to my account page today so I will avoid it for a while till it sorts out.

Well I for one was an avid Daz customer same as in Rendo . that changed rather quickly , the make over changed that for me. I can't see anything after looking at that site . Once I move my view away from my monitor everything swims in front of me . It's blinding for sure and not just that it lacks life itself , one character on every page doesn't not make a site or make it inviting to even visit let alone shop there .   Geeps? surf the site try to then tell us what you think .. with a naked eye , no sun glasses , that would be cheating :)  As for their store buster prices..... they have to think of something before they loose what ever clientle they have after this bust at a make over !

I don't like the scrolly thumbnails over at CP... and now DAZ is doing the same thing.

I want the bigger pictures back so I don't have to click on everything.

Yeah, like that's gonna happen... not.

Navigation is horrible, I can't find a thing.
Color is too bright.

Quote - I'll just stick to my account page if I have to go there which is very rare as I only go there for freebies for the most part. I seldom shop there.

They have a morew or less Daz Thread for people to list their issues with the latest theme.

So far i cannot see that they have made any attempt to offer an alternative Color scheme or tone down that god awful Stainless Steel Steril look that shines like the sun on the water at high noon.

I used to like looking at the new items from time to time. I just miss the storefront when you logged in it was right there. I just dim my monitor as far as it can go. Helps a bit.

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They have a morew or less Daz Thread for people to list their issues with the latest theme.

That doesn't help those of us who have physical pain when looking at their site and as a result can't go there.

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=879335#879335

I don't know if my post will help, but I tried. If they don't change it I won't be going there anymore.  I'm not a sadist and I don't like pain and  I sure won't go and pay someone to cause me pain.

If you were the one that inflicted the gradient gray eyeball-eating color scheme at DAZ, you'd be a sadist.  If you LIKED your eyeballs being eaten at DAZ, you're a masochist!

I'm not either and I cannot stand it. When I went there, for a second it flashed a solid gray, which didn't hurt the eyes, but was unreadable. Then it went back to snow-blindness.  I'd really like to kick the web-designers over there.

Dammit--My eyes hurt again.. :(

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Anyone else getting that "déjà vu" feeling ?

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641202
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641236
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2641477

The background color at DAZ is gradient grey.  Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

Gradient grey with the grey letters causes extreme eye-strain which results in pain and headaches in many of the people reading or trying to browse the website. Also due to the half-tone effect of the gradient grey on most monitors, a pulsating tesselation occurs that excerabates the eye pain.

This effect has been examined and documented by several universities and study groups as negative optical effects that are negatives to web-browsing.  The effect is so well documented, I'd be surprised if the DAZ web-designers were oblivious to it. Apparently they were.

I always had a hard time reading articles on the web, longer posts in a forum and even my own typed letters in a text-editor. My eyes/brains miss part of the text and when doing it too long I start getting burning eyes and a headache. So when needing to read longer articles and so on, I hit the print button, instead of reading it on screen.

The problem gets worse at certain websites having a combination of colors, like DAZ has now. If you don't have the problem it's hard to understand, I guess you can compare it too having sat behind a screen for over 8 hours staring intensively at it, without a break...... but in this case you haven't sat behind it for hours, you get the same result after only a very short time, within a few minutes.

I recall the comments back when Rendo switched over.  Twice.  I'm sure that the good folks at DAZ were well aware that they'd be in for it no matter what they did -- as this is the standard operating procedure (SOP) for such things in this community.  We've got a forum formula to follow.  And we've got it down pat.

And so.....the electronic, pixelated (a word which used to mean drunk) tempest will rage for a week or so.  Perhaps two.  After that we'll likely never hear about it again.

BTW - DAZ has some great deals going right now.  I intend to take advantage of it while it's being offered.  Hey -- I'll probably even buy the Mil Kids.  At these prices: why not?

The background color at DAZ is gradient grey.  Your screen capture doesn't
look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

No, the text of the forums is not on a gradient. It's the same grey all over.

There is a big difference between what DAZ  has done, and what Rosity did.

How many people have edited the css to change their color schemes here?
Daz doesn't allow that.

Quote - How many people have edited the css to change their color schemes here?

A few.  A very few.  Compared to the overall membership: a vanishing minority.

But I agree that it is nice to have the option available.

Rendo please dont ever do what Daz just did to their site. Please? I want to find stuff, not hunt for it and not go blind at the sametime and it really does look like they are keeping it and not going to change it.

Quote - >The background color at DAZ is gradient grey.  Your screen capture doesn't

look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all.

No, the text of the forums is not on a gradient. It's the same grey all over.

No, the text is not on a gradient, but to look at the forum you have to look at the rest of the page, which has gradient for the background. 

That doesn't make this comment:

"The background color at DAZ is gradient grey.  Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all."

any less untrue.

People are gonna see what they want to see when looking at a website. They are not thinking long term but short term. They only are thinking it looks pretty and that's it they are not concerned about the lasting effects eyestrain can have on a person when they stare at it for a long time. Some people dont seem to care about their eyesite at all and what damage it can cause to stare at glaring colors all day on your screen. and the ones that do like the snowblindness that is now Daz3D, seem to not care about their eyes.

Quote - That doesn't make this comment:

"The background color at DAZ is gradient grey.  Your screen capture doesn't look anything like what DAZ's color-scheme looks like at all."

any less untrue.

It IS true.  If part of the image is left out, it DOES NOT look like what is causing the problem at all.

My post with the screendump was a response to the comment about the "blinding" "silvery" background color of the forums. You were the one who mentioned the gradient (which is not behind the text, but only down the sides), which is a separate issue and nothing to do with my screendump.

Which has EVERYTHING to do with what's being talked about. You're apparently not paying attention to what people are talking about.  Your cap has mulitple colors--DAZ does not. So it doesn't look anything like the site I was at.

Saying what I said is untrue is tantamount to calling me a liar to my face.  That is rude and disparaging, at least. The backgrounds look different on my monitor, with out regard to your monitor's settings.

To cut people down because people disagree with you is you perogative, however it doesn't win you any friends. I had no problems with Rendo's change over. It just looked a bit brighter, but didn't cause me any burning eyes.

I never said anything about the type or fonts on DAZ's site. Please be civil in the future.

We are talking at cross-purposes, as I've already explained. My post was about the brightness of the background, which was a complaint in this thread and at DAZ. It was not about the gradient down the sides.

Why would I post a screencap showing the gradient when I was responding to comments about the brightness of the background color?

I have no idea what you mean by "I never said anything about the type or fonts on DAZ's site." If your issue was with the gradient and not the brightness of the background color, then my post wasn't even directed at you.

Quote - My post with the screendump was a response to the comment about the "blinding" "silvery" background color of the forums. You were the one who mentioned the gradient (which is not behind the text, but only down the sides), which is a separate issue and nothing to do with my screendump.

The colour of the  white forum table itself is not the problem.  The blinding silvery grey pattern on the site is.

There is text on the blinding silvery grey all around the site, even on the text outside of the white forum table in the forum area.

Also  it's not just the text on the blinding silvery grey background that is problematic, it's the blinding silvery grey pattern ittself, which I might add when combined with the white table in the forums, make the whole thing, including the white forum table, really blinding and painful to look at. When you take a screenshot of just the white forum table and leave out the part that is really causing the problems (surrounding silvery grey gradient),  you are not getting the whole effect of the problem and are therefore not presenting the whole thing in it's true context.

Quote - Why would I post a screencap showing the gradient when I was responding to comments about the brightness of the background color?

I believe that statement was being made about the silvery grey background of the whole site, and not the colour of the table used for the forum and thread list.  The background in this case is the silvery grey one used around the forum table and the rest of the site. 

Now please, can we move on and not keep nit picking and turning this thread into a heated fight?  Please?

Over the years working in Poser with white backgrounds and in text editors I have burned my retina a few times; last being a few years ago when I darkened my default colors to greys. Unfortunately I have a bit of color loss in one eye and permanent photo sensitivity to bright light.

Yes this can happen to you. Damn 3d. :)

A white background for text was a poor choice. The gradient background is known to cause migraines. It has a odd effect and not a new discussion unique to this site redesign.

Not everyone still had fresh 20 something eyes anymore. It is a simple thing to change the background color from white to pale grey.

But the difference between white and grey is huge in regards to wear and tear on the eye. Just leave a freeze frame of black text on white on your monitor or television for a few days, come back after the image is burned into the screen, and tell me it isn't a big deal.

Retina burn and monitor related headaches can be avoided. It isn't a big deal. All that aside the site is much less busy, though I notices prices are no longer listed in the newsletter; only the percentafe off.

"When you take a screenshot of just the white forum table and leave out the part that is really causing the problems (surrounding silvery grey gradient),  you are not getting the whole effect of the problem and are therefore not presenting the whole thing in it's true context."

It's not accurate to say that the gradient is "really causing the problems" when it's clear from posts both here and at DAZ that it's the text background that is also causing problems, as stated in the early posts in this thread. There are two separate issues here that require two different solutions. It's not really fair to say my post doesn't present the problem when I never intended to represent that problem.

In any case, you've really lost me now - DAZ's forum background is not white, it's grey. That's why the thin horizontal lines within posts stand out as white.

I did this by scrolling screen caps.
If you are scrolling the forums, this is what the side gradient is doing to the mind. :) It is HYPNOSIS!! I knew it. lol

Seriously, watch this for a minute. See how it leaves an after effect? Like a camera flash bulb does

This is just a square crop. Imagine the whole back witha block of white in the middle..... of course people getting headaches. They accidently simulated a strobe effect

This is really easy. Just make the text box backgrounds darker and replace the side bar gradient with a solid.

I don't like

Maybe when Daz gets sued for giving users seizures and eyestraing then they'll get the hint but, until then, they are gonna be stubborn and not listen no matter what is said about it. They'll go out of their way like spoiled children to keep the pretty picture in the background, even though you really can't see it. Its like a big joke. Im even thinking of giving up my account over there. The eyestrain is too much for me to bare. Daz used to be a professional 3D site site now it looks like junk, something a child tossed together for children, not adults. Daz has an older crowd not the young ones. I thought Daz wants to make money? Not lose it? Ive tried to like it, I've tried to get used to it but I just can't bring myself to do it any longer. My eyes are bad enough I dont need to make them worse.

It's just a website. It isn't like it is "Feardotcom". :)

People aren't going to stop shopping or posting just because of the web design. Next week all the same people will be there, and the week after, and next year too. And probably yourslef included.

I would just check back once a week and see if it changes. It's not like they are selling oxygen. If it really bothers you just don't go back.. if you can resist the urge. :)

Anton, surely no one is scrolling up and down the forums at that speed for a minute at a time. Why would anyone do that? You'd not be able to read a word, and would get cramp in your mouse-wheel finger long before a migraine took hold.

As for suing - it implies people are abdicating responsibility for their own health, and a court of law will have as much sympathy for someone in that position as I do. If something is giving you eyestrain or migraines or seizures, then stop doing it.

Never say "Surely" when speaking for others.  You know better than that. :) The gif simply shows what some are talking about.

The simple point , their forum is causing eye strain for many with sensitive eyes, and there are valid reasons for it; most of which is common sense.

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The simple point , their forum is causing eye strain for many with sensitive eyes,

It's not just the forum area, it's  every page that has that silvery grey gradient on it...which is the whole site!!!!!

I haven't looked in the store but I take your word for it. I am sure they will tweak it. The whole point was to make it more popular. Once enough time goes by and it doesn't seem like they were forced to do it, they will slip in some changes.

It's the weekend anyway any there is always the weekly "fix what broke over the weekend list" every Monday anyway. People will just have to be patient since in the end they really don't have a choice, just the illusion of voice.

The store thumbnail images are on the silvery grey gradient.  Even if they weren't and were in a white table like the forums there, it would still be a problem because that silvery grey gradient is blinding :(

I made a post at Daz about the problem.  I marked to have ebots when there was a reply, but haven't received any. So I take it that no one seems to care :(  I know I can't go back there until it's fixed.  I have enough pain and health issues without adding eye pain and headaches to the list because of a website.

EDIT:  I just checked my email and finally got an ebot about a reply. Maybe others there aren't happy either.

Anyone actually gotten litterally nauseous looking at the new DAZ site yet? Just wondering as sometimes a strobe effect like that can make people nauseated too.

Quote - Anyone actually gotten litterally nauseous looking at the new DAZ site yet? Just wondering as sometimes a strobe effect like that can make people nauseated too.

Fortunately not.
Once I noticed it happening while scrolling, I wrote a Greasemonkey script.

You may say it's a website, and I agree, but, my tired old eyes just can't take the strain. Oh and I have really decided to stop going. Rendo is where it's at anyway. I got what I wanted Daz I dont need anything else. and it's not just the forums as I dont go there but if I wanted to browse I found that there was no back buttons etc? Very strange.