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Subject: building a Graphics workstation?
Well I'm no expert but for me, your drives aren't enough, 200Gig total?? I'd go for 500Gig!
You really need 4Gig RAM if you use Vue6 with Poser shader tree import.
The Pentium 4 is old hat now isn't it? I'm still using a P4 HT 3.4 GHz but I'll be hoping to move to core 2 duo by the end of the year.
The current spec for my new one is:
E6700 Core 2Duo Processor
8Gig RAM, [for Vue6Inf]
Nvidia FX5600 graphics [DX10 compliant].
1, possibly 2 500 Gig HD's
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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2680792&page=1
I asked for some advice back in January when I was in need of a new computer. Here is the thread. Lots and lots of good advice, right down to individual components needed to build one from scratch.I took the information with me when I went to a local place to have one built for me. I'm very happy with my new system :)
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A lot depends on what graphics programs you want to run. I'm very happy with my Intel Q6600 quad core setup, runs Poser 7 and Vue 6 Infinite like a dream, and 3DS Max ain't sloppy either.
Here's what I'd recommend (quite some $$, I'm afraid):
CPU: Intel Q6600 quad core.
RAM: 4x2 GB DDR2-667 (which brand isn't important, fast and expensive memory will only get you a 1% performance "boost").
Mainboard: Intel P965 based (either an Intel or an MSI mainboard). Comes with at least 4 SATAII connectors, supports Intel Matrix RAID, plus 1 IDE connector for optical drives.
Graphics: if you're using Max or Maya I can highly recommend a 3DLabs Wildcat Realizm 200 (around $650). A professional 3D graphics card, VERY good with geometry (outperforms any ATI or nVidia professional graphics card cheaper than $2000). Great OpenGL support - but I don't know how it supports XP 64 bit.
If it's to expensive, I'd recommend an nVidia 7900 series graphics card. Those are hard to come by, nVidia is phasing them out in favor of the 8000 series, but the 7900GS is fast and affordable, while the 7950GTX is extremely fast (and more expensive, around $400). Not as fast as the 3DLabs though.
Harddisk: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA II disk, 320 GB (preferably 2x)
Case: Chieftecs are good.
Power supply: Enermax is a good brand, but 430 W is a little low. I'd suggest a Zalman HP-600, quiet, 600 W, detachable cables.
Operating system: Windows XP Pro 64 bit. Every decently programmend 32-bit app runs fine on XP 64 bit, nVidia has good drivers for their graphics cards, and it's rock solid - based on Windows 2003 Server 64 bit.
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Just did some searching. Alas, 3DLabs has gone out of the 3D graphics business, so the Wildcat cards are no longer available.
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hi all thanks for info, sorry i have been "virtual" shopping all morning,
fixer
i've already got a 250Gb external at mo' so put 100min in but i found a 320Gb (see below)
Acadia
thanks for that link will check it out in a minute
Svdl
i will definetly check out those parts, might need to sit down first when i look up the price for 8Gb ram!! LOL, would you mind checking these specs for me please, as these are the results of my recent "virtual shop" which i can then compare with what you recommend, could you tell me if this lot so far, is good and if it all would work together, and what if anything else i would need please.
my virtual total shopping bill this time is $1,275.37 Usd (but without sound yet)
Case.......Dynex ATX Mid Tower pc case with 500w power supply
Motherboard........Nvidia nforce 680iLT SLI ATX Motherboard
CPU..........Intel Core2 Duo processor E6400
Ram........PNY 2-pack 1Gb Pc2-5300 DDR2 memory (still looking for 4GB bits)
Graphics card.......Geforce 8600GTS OC Graphics card
Hard drive........western digital 320Gb Internal parallel ATA Hard Drive
Dvd+RW........Samsung 18x Internal Double layer DVD+RW / CD-RW
with that setup i'm allowed 4Gb Ram i think, not sure if i'm allowed more or not.
these parts are from the bestbuy.com site.
Thanks for any advice again. (off to search for your parts now)
8Gb of DDR2 isn't that bad. It's getting cheaper and cheaper, I bought 8 Gb DDR2-667 (Buffalo) for € 440 (around $600) including 19% VAT a couple of weeks ago.
The nForce680 is nice, but somewhat overpriced. The nForce650 series is just as capable, and quite a bit cheaper.
My own mainboard is an MSI 965 Neo 2, based on an Intel 965 chipset. 5 SATA II ports, 1 IDE port (for 2 IDE devices), 8.1 audio, Crossfire (ATI version of SLI)
The 8600 is a decent graphics card, but not as fast as a 7900. If you want a faster card, you'll need an 8800 - pricey!
The new ATI R600 based graphics cards might also be an option. Somewhere between the 8600 and 8800 in both performance and price, and reputedly good OpenGL 2 support.
By the way, you don't need a sound card. All modern mainboards come with integrated sound, 5.1 or better. A high end audio card is only useful when you're using (semi)professional audio applications.
Hard drive: don't go for parallel. Go for SATA II. Faster and cheaper. A 320 Gb Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 sells for € 75 including 19% VAT in the Netherlands.
If you can afford it, I'd recommend a Q6600 CPU instead of an E6400. A Q6600 is effectively the same as two E6400s in one package.
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nice one Cheers Svdl!!
will check them parts out too, i saw a few people mention the seagate in Acadia's thread so will go with that one,
do you think i can stick all this stuff together myself ( i can make a decent house model with Lego anyway) or do i need someone to fit it all for me?
and do i need anymore fans with what you recommend?
hoping that Newegg site might cut the price even more than what i got at bestbuy (info from acadia thread)
The specs in the first post were way out of date, the second setup you listed vince3 looked better.
A good hardware site I'd recommend is http://www.anandtech.com/
A number of their performance reviews include benchmarks for 3D Rendering Applications (no Poser of course, but at least will give an idea on rendering).
An example from a recent CPU review: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3012&p=7
For purchasing components, check out http://www.newegg.com/ as you shop around. Great prices and selection and they have user reviews, quite a few for the more popular components.
No soldering required to assemble your own machine, but you need to make sure you get all the right components for the right slots. :) The quality of instructions that come with motherboards and other components vary considerably, it's a good idea to look for some guides on the web on how to assemble a PC. I think for a first timer installing the RAM (installing RAM requires more force than you might expect), and the CPU are the most nerve wracking, I still get a little nervous when installing the CPU/heatsink/fan and I've assembled my last four PCs myself!
As to ATI vs NVidia, I have heard anecdotal reports that currently ATI's OpenGL support is better than NVidia, which would be a reversal from a couple years ago. Try checking out specific reviews for cards from both manufacturers you are considering and see if you can find any specifics on OpenGL performance.
Everything is slotted. There should be no soldering. Check www.pricewatch.com. Still pretty much the best place to look for the best price on stuff. If your looking to get it all at one place try www.newegg.com . Never had a problem with them. If you want REAL top of the line expansion, make sure you get a motherboard that has 2 PCI-Express 16 slots for Dual SLI. Don't worry too much about sound unless you intend to do Pro sound work too, the built in sound car will probably be good enough. I only recomend nVidia graphic cards because ATI's Linux drivers suck. You should at least leave yourself the option of running Linux. Anything in the Geforce 8600 line is going to be just fine. Honestly, I don't think there is a single 3D program that can fully use the graphic capabilities of most 3D cards. 3D Modelers and renderers are almost a decade behind the latest games in implementing the new technology. Unless your looking to get the bleeding edge out of first person shooters like Half Life2, Unreal 2007, or Crysis, you won't need more than that. For drives, go SATA. 500GB is the current best price point. To figure out the best deal divide the price of the drive by the number of GB and get the best price per GB. If you want run MacOS X86, go for a motherboard with a recent Intel Chipset.
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LGA775 is a breeze when installing a CPU. No tiny pins that can get bent. So installing an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU is easy.
IF you are considering dual graphics cards (maybe a future options), you've got to be aware that SLI is nVidia technology, comes only on nVidia based mainboards, and only works with nVidia graphics cards.
Crossfire is ATI's counterpart. Intel and ATI based mainboards may support Crossfire (not all of them do), and Crossfire will only work with ATI graphics cards.
The latest review of the new R600 based ATI graphics cards wasn't very positive about their non-Windows 32 bit drivers. Vista drivers weren't optimal, XP 64 bit drivers aren't, and you can forget about Linux.
While nVidia still hasn't really good Vista drivers, they have drivers for XP 64 bit and Linux that work very well. OpenGL 2.0 is also supported very well.
So it's probably best to go for an nVidia 650 based mainboard by a decent brand (MSI) and an nVidia graphics card.
As for the case - you're building a fairly high end system, don't skimp on the case. Get a good one. Chieftecs are fine, but I really like the Antec Performance P180 series. Elegant, silent, lots of room for everything (you can install 6 hard drives plus 4 optical drives plus a floppy!), and the power cables can be routed along the backside of the mainboard, which gives a better airflow. Combined with a good PSU you'll have a case that'll last you many years.
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morning all!!
alrighty then,
been shopping at Newegg.com now and have upped nearly everything and it is still lower in price than the last lot!!!
Svdl, i read a few benchmark things too and it would seem that at the moment anyway, there is not a lot of support from software for the quadcore, so i have found a Duo e6600 conroe, which seemed to be very highly praised, and i found an 8800 card which i just want to find out if i even need, it fits into the budget, but as i am still on P6(for now) and Vue 5 Inf will i be able to use it?
i'll stick the whole product name up so if anyone has any bad stories about any of the parts i have found, please say so, so i can look at an alternative brand, and if anyone can see a problem with any parts not working with each other can you tell me please too.
today's shopping list:
CPU...........Intel core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 processor model BX80557E6600
MOBO.........ECS NF650iSLIT-A (V1.0) LGA 775 Nvidea nforce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
Ram...........Patriot Extreme Performance 4Gb (2 x 2GB) 240-pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
Graphics card...........EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR Geforce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR£ PCI Express x 16 HDCP video card
HD........Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard drive-OEM
Power supply.......Rosewill RP550-2 ATX 2.01 550W Power supply
Case........COOLER MASTER Centurion s CAC-TO5-UW Black Aluminium Bezel, SECC ATX mid tower computer case
DVD+RW........Samsung 18x DVD+R DVD Burner with lightscribe and software black IDE model SH-S182M/BEBM-OEM
totals in at $1,236.83.
so does that little lot look like it'll work please?or do any of those parts look just wrong?
Thanks for any help!!!!!!!
Vue 5 Inf will use both cores - and all four cores on a quad.
Poser 6 will only use a single core.
Both run well under XP 64 bit. Vue 6 Inf runs VERY well under 64 bit, so does Poser 7. Vue 6 Inf is fully 64 bit and is able to render scenes that are flat out impossible in Windows 32 bit.
If you're not planning on upgrading to full 64 bit programs in the coming year, you might want to skip WinXP 64 bit and wait for Vista 64 bit to become a decent OS.
The hardware looks fine. Maybe add a floppy drive, it's still needed when installing RAID drivers before OS install.
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cool cheers Svdl!!!!!!!! i would get them free anyway, from mothers work, someone there is testing out vista at the moment, but from what i've read so far it doesn't look too great at the moment anyway, but they also said that XP pro was like that when it came out too.
is there not going to be a problem for me with that 8800 being directX 10? will that still work with poser 6 and Vue 5 Inf?
i plan on upgrading both sometime soonish, but might need some time because i think i want PainterX first, not sure how much that is yet.and maybe C4d (looks in empty wallet!)
Thanks very much for your help along the way here Svdl, much appreciated, and thanks for everyone elses input too. all very helpful advice.
Just a caution..... You may want to do some checking about the integrated audio. That feature has a bad tendency to have less than optimal drivers. It isn't function so much, as load and resource cost. Just as a test, I enabled and loaded the audio drivers on -one- of the A-64 renderboxes I have (4 of them are all Asus A8V-VM micro ATX boards with A-64-3000's (boxed, not OEM), and 1 gig of Kingston Valueram). That one renderbox suddenly took at least twice as long to boot than the other three. A lot of the oncard solutions eats your CPU cycles, be it video or audio. If you have no intentions of doing audio with your workstation, don't let it install the drivers, and make sure the audio is disabled in the BIOS.
Looks like a good setup, similar to one I configured in my head yesterday. :)
Only thing I might consider different is having two SATA drives instead of one. I have two SATA 250GB Seagate Barracuda HDs on my current system (built a year and a half ago). I have them each plugged into different channels, with my Pagefile on it's own partition on the second drive. I also use a partition on the second drive for back ups.
When you do get your system together, to save some hassels later, plan out how you want to partition your drives. I always create two seperate Primary partitions, one for my main OS and one for my secondary OS. I'm currently using the second trying out the 120 day free trial of Windows XP Pro X64, but in the past I've also used it to allow a fresh install of my Primary OS when needed, with out over-writing the original, (which I only get rid of once the transition is completed and everything is running smoothly). This could be helpful in your situation for adding Vista 64 "once the kinks are worked out", or if you want to maintain a 32 bit and 64 bit OS on the system until you are certain that all your programs run fine on a 64 bit OS.
Of course, having the secondary HD is also nice if you lose your primary one to a hardware failure. No rushing out to Best Buy or Staples to find something to stick in your machine because you don't want to go with out for the time it will take to receive a replacement through the mail. :)
(Some people, rather than buying identical drives, will buy a smaller, faster (more expensive per GB) HD for their OS and primary software, and a larger, more economical HD for their secondary. That's another possibility).
Can't go wrong with an 8800. DX10 is not a requirment. It's marketing BS to force you to buy Vista, and will only really matter for Games. Most 3D rendering and modeling program use OpenGL and the 8800 has is great OGL performer... unless you're using Vista ironically, because Vista has decided to force all OGL calls through DX10 weather you like it or not. If you're going to be using this machine as a general all purpose Web/Email/Word Processing, machine that also does kick ass graphics, stick with XP Pro 32 for now. It's got the best drivers and to spite M$ BS, is still the best supported. Dale B is right about the sound cards, but you won't easily find a motherboard these days that doesn't have built in sound, and again... if you intend to play a DVD, listen to an MP3, or EDIT VIDEO with audio on this machine, your only other option is a high end $300+ sound card that will take the audio loads off the CPU. Of course at that price your 1/4 of the way to a second PC. This is a good reason for a Quad Core though. If you can afford it those extra processors will do the work of that expensive sound card with the built in hardware, and still leave you 3 cores to get the rendering job done.
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nice one cheers Joe!!!
i'm now just worried about the power thing, as the site is American, and i am English types, whether the power supply is gonna be different, i think i read that the comp' will be 12v, which would mean there is a transformer in there somewhere, but will all transformers regardless of the input voltage convert to 12v without any problems, or have i got to get a specific power supply,
can't think how to explain it so will just say this:
English plug socket output is 240v, but i have a Wah-Wah pedel that requires 9v stablised, so a stablized transformer is needed to make sure i don't get a door stop (broken Wah-Wah) if i get a surge of power from the socket (sorry if i got the technical names wrong)
so does anyone know the key words or numbers i should look for that will tell me whether it is an American power-based power supply please? or if any of those parts would be reliant on American based power settings?
hope that makes sense to someone 'cause i don't know the right terminology here, but roughly know what i'm on about!! LOL
also does the CPU need it own little fan? and are any of those LED cases any good, other than for light shows, because they seem to come with plenty of fans in 'em, but i don't want a bunch of new problems because it has flashy lights coming out of it, i think the case i have picked above has one 12cm fan (not sure) is that gonna be enough?
Thanks again for any help!!
just found out that Newegg.com doesn't ship out of America, so waiting to see now if someone mother knows can ship it to me and if they will be happy to relay any problems back and forth, so if not that will be 3 days virtual shopping down the drain.
have been reading the reviews over there too and that model of Mobo has a few problems with it so am looking at others.
If you aren't sure on whether or not a particular power supply will work for you, check the specs or the manufacturers web site. Most power supplies have a toggle you change with a screw driver to chose 115v or 240v. If your outlets are different, you'd need a compatible plug as well.
The voltages output by the power supply are based on the specs for computer components. This won't be different in different parts of the world, the important thing is that the power supply can accept the local power. i.e. if you switch your power supply to your 240V input and use the proper power cord from the powersupply to your power outlet, the output of the the powersupply to your components will be proper and the same it would be if run in 115V mode in the US.
Sorry about Newegg and shipping over seas. :( Hopefully you can find a way around it. I have no idea about similar stores in the UE.
thanks for that fiontar!!!
they all ended up saying 115/230v so i don't know what to make of that! maybe the 230volts works on english sockets and the 240v bit just means the maximum it can provide
but that is just guessing, i would be playing socket roulette with that i think, would it live or would it die!!!
YAAAAAAAAYYY!!!! i've found an english type site that has all my bits, some better than what i had too , and cheaper ( i think without the shipping costs) so i shall sport my happy face now!!!(GRIN)
on my journey however i came across a curious sighting as follows:
now the 8800gts (640MB) ends up at about £220 still, but i found an 8400 card (256MB) that is only £30, so wondered if two 8400s actually would work better than one 8800?
i don't want that as i want two 8800gts cards eventually, but was thinking that two 8400s would be a great upgrade for my old comp which has a 5200fx card in it, what does anyone else think?
Two 8400s will definitely NOT work better than a single 8800!
First of all, not every application can make use of SLI
Second, SLI under Vista is still a little shaky.
A 8400 might be an interesting upgrade for the 5200fx - if you can find an AGP version of the 8400. The PCI-e version doesn't fit.
Your best bet would be an nVidia 7600GS for upgrading your old machine. Those still come in AGP format, aren't extremely expensive (I guess around 50 pounds), and are definitely faster than the 5200fx.
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it just came across as a very strange price difference to me, so wondered how old that 8400 was, was wondering how long until the card i've picked (8800GTS)was that cheap, 'cause i read the 9xxxx series start this winter.
apparently (something i read along the way) all the top cards (latest) are high priced because they are being aimed at rich gamers, that are always happy to part with there money, just to have the latest specs in their machine (like a fashion item) so they release a card, the gamers that really care buy 'em at the high price, then they release another card saying it can be overclocked even more, so that becomes the sort after card, the other card gets cheaper.It looks to me anyway, like all you get is 0.1GHz speed improvement, which i'm pretty sure you don't really notice, and it has to be killing the card earlier by overclocking it.
the GTX version of my card had seven hundred and something on-board memory, but everything else was roughly the same, except the price which was another £400!!! (eeek!!)
would running two 8800GTS's make Poser6/7 and/or Vue 5/6 Inf work better? because if they are gonna be £30 in a few months then i'd get a few of them!! and build that farm up.LOL
just reading more stuff at mo' trying to work out if i actually need anymore fans in my machine, as it comes with three, but not sure if i need one for the ram and one for the CPU too , or heatsinks?? or any of them?? confused again now!! and was reading that i might need thermal cooling paste/gel/cream??? what the........??
The 8800 series will not be as cheap as 30 pounds in the foreseeable future. The trick with the nVidia numbering is that a higher number not necessarily means higher performance.
The first number (the first 8 in 8400,8800) means chipset generation. A higher number means a newer chipset, but not necessarily a much faster chipset.
The second number has to do with variations within the same chip generation. Higher numbers generally mean higher speed. Funny thing is, nVidia usually comes out with the fast versions first (they did so with the 6800, 7800 and now the 8800), demanding very high prices - which the richer gamers promptly paid. Later nVidia releases lower "second numbers" (6600,6200, 7600,7400,7300, and now 8600, 8500, 8400), same chipset, but lower performance, less memory, and less pricey.
So a 8400 based graphcs card is cheap indeed. And I can assure you that a 7600 will outperform a 8400 by a significant margin.
Lastly, there's the suffix. LE, GS, GT, GTX, GX2, whatever. The LE stands for Light Edition. It means the same graphics chip, but at a lower frequency, maybe with some pipelines disabled, while GTX (and Ultra) stand for the fastest version of this graphics chip.
Yes, it's a jungle. I do not now all the specs by heart, but what you should check for is the bandwidth of the graphics card. That's a good indicator of actual performance.
Example: my older 7800GTX has a bandwidth of 38 Gbit/s. The only current nVidias that surpass this are the 7950 GTX (similar bandwidth), 7950GX2 (2 7950's on one board) and the 8800 based cards. (GTS has 64 Gbit/s, the Ultra has over 100 Gbit/s)
The 7900GS in my other machine has 22 Gbit/s, so has the 8600GTS in the third machine.
For 3D work I'd recommend a graphics card that has a bandwidth of at least 20 Gb/s, and more is better - but pricier.
In short, the price for speed (in pounds per Gb/s) isn't going down all that much, despite the plethora of new and fancy graphics cards and chips..
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That's for the theoretical business. Now for the practical questions.
Will running two 8800GTSes in one machine make Poser 6/7 and Vue faster?
Probably not. Two graphcis cards working in tandem only has proved (somewhat) beneficial in games. I'd not spend money on a second graphics card.
The case already comes with 3 fans, that should be enough. My Antec Performance One P180B also has three 120 mm fans built in - it's the case that holds the Q6600, 8 GB of RAM, a 7800 GTX graphics card (hot!), 4 harddisks and 2 optical drives. The case is cool and quiet.
CPU fan: Yes. Fast CPUs definitely require forced cooling. But should you buy a CPU cooler or not? That depends on how you order the CPU. Often you can order the CPU as a "boxed" version or a "tray" version. "Boxed" means that the CPU comes with a fitting cooler, "tray" means CPU only and you have to buy a separate CPU cooler.
The cooler that comes with the boxed version of the CPU does the job, and does it well. You can opt for a seaparate more expensive cooler, in order to have a more silent cooling solution, or to have more rigorous cooling (important when overclocking). From my personal experience the "silent" coolers aren't as silent as advertized - not worth spending extra money on.
An advantage of the boxed version of the CPU is that you don't need extra cooling paste. The cooling paste is preapplied onto the provided cooler. If you go for a separate cooler, you also need cooling paste.
Cooling the RAM is not necessary, unless you want to overclock. Which I do not recommend.
So as far as cooling goes, I recommend buying a boxed Intel CPU, and that case with three fans. No extra cooling needed.
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ok so the people that "were" building my new comp', completely cocked it up, and were about to ship me a pile of (....whatever fits here.........) when i looked up what they had put in it , i found out they had stuck in a 2d card!!!!!!!! and that was the advice of a "graphics specialist" apparentely the person that built my last comp' (happy with) had left, and the new "graphics specialist" doesn't know sheeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!! so i've cancelled that order.(phew)
ok so, i'm wondering how hard is it to build it myself if i got all the components, is there any soldering and stuff to do or is everything just slotted in the right place? if so then i would rather look to buy a already made comp' from somewhere, else i solder my eyeballs to my motherboard!!!
now i was looking around the web last night on how to build a powerful graphics workstation, based on graphics apps and not games, and at a low cost,and found this load of stuff, which i'm hoping someone can look at for me and tell me whether these parts are new or out of date stuff, some of it sounds new but it doesn't seem to allow for 4Gb ram or more, so it sounds out of date, so hoping someone might reconise some of the part names and be able to tell me whether they should be bought or whether there is a newer version or better or more reliable version, anyway here are the parts i have found so far, as i'm not sure what else i might need, so if anyone can tell me what else i need, i would be very grateful!!!
if i have found all the parts i need but they are old and out of date then i will at least know what bits to look for, and can look for the best setup ($$$$$$$$)i can find and then work down from there ($$$$) ..........(graphics specialist indeed!!!!!...let it go Vince!!)
ok so here are some parts that i found:
case........................cheiftec silver matrix MA-01SLD full tower case.
power supply..........Enermax EG465P-VE(431w output)
drives.......................Maxtor 20Gb for C:drive (system+os)
Maxtor 80Gb for D:drive (apps and data)
(not sure yet) 100Gb min drive for storage (renders and scenes)
Ram........................from Crucial.com.........PC2700 DDR ( x2 =1Gb so not sure as i want 4Gb)
Motherboard (reason for the above ram)........Soyo P45 64S DX Dragon ultra (allows for up to 8 fast ATA IDE disk drives)
CPU...................pentium P4 3.2ghz /4 Mb/ 800MHz 775pin Dual core 940SL95W (saves money over the Xeon)
DVD+RW............(same as what i already have probally 'cause i know it works)
so can anyone tell me whether that lot is old hat or good specs please, so far that lot totals in at £360 minus the Ram.
also can anyone please give me a link to somewhere that builds or sells already built machines specifically designed for 3D apps, that aren't "Dell"!!!! and that i won't need to sell a kidney to be able to afford!!!
Many thanks for any help on this!!
(Graphics specialist indeed!!.......)