Inflamatory, condescending, confrontational, insulting. You were all those things, and the posts
you labeled as attacks were merely STRONGLY disagreeing with you, and very bluntly. To think
you have the power to get long standing users deleted for disagreeing with you when you have
been FAR more insulting, is kinda ridiculous. You tried the same thing at DAZ, and you'll get
no more joy here, I think. And I use Poser 7 and have been here since Poser 3.

Greywolf

As has been stated the post was never deleted but moved from the DAZ|Studio freepository to the DAZ|Studio Discussion Forum. While we will remove posts from view for Violating the TOS of our forum we do not do so for simply posting something critical of a DAZ product, or promoting an alternate product, but we do reserve the right to move things to a more apropriate forum.

Quote - **graphicsguy - I'm drifting to sleep here (it's 2-15 am) so I'm sorry I can't give you a full answer. I will say though that although in the main Poser 7 is a superior program, saying so over at Daz will not go down well, remember who Daz3D are!

Just to add, If your post was deleted for the reason you think it is then we can say goodbye to freedom of speech. Wait a minute, did we really have that anyway!**

Yeah we used too *Edited to keep out of "trouble".

graphicsguy wrote; "and I am extraordinarily blunt and confrontational by nature, very aggressive and not diplomatic." In other words, you have an utter lack of social skills. Obviously. That's why someone at the DAZ Forums was wondering if maybe you were about 12 years old. Coldrake

Is this thread still going strong?? Sheesh!!

Hmm seems liek a great way for someone new to shoot themselves in the foot, and alienate the poser cimmunity that is SO helpful.

Like my mother used to say, "Don't shit where you live."

LOL

She was a hoot.. and she typed better then I do.. LOL!

There's been no arguments in here in few weeks, I think things were getting ripe for one.

[Kitty puts a new batch of spaghetti on the stove. I'll have plenty of wet noodles for flogging in about...oooh, 15 min or so]

Quote - "Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly.

That's nice.

Weeks? Seems like quite a few months with no huge blowups somewhere.. unless I missed something somewhere.

Course could be people are still stunned by Daz's new look, and issues.

Quote - Course could be people are still stunned by Daz's new look, and issues.

Don't get me started on DAZ 'new and improved' website... Every time I find something I want on sale, their shopping crapps out. By the time I'm able to log in again, the item is no longer on sale. 
Phshaw!

Quote - Weeks? Seems like quite a few months with no huge blowups somewhere.. unless I missed something somewhere.

Well it was only late May with the last copyright infringement dealie...

Quote - ""Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly."

*That's nice.
*If you're going to be rude to me, I don't see why I shouldn't reciprocate.   I am a bit bored with people who think that they can say what they like and get away with anything, provided they have a picture of a pop-eyed kitten handy, or sprinkle their posts with insincere smiles. 

ConnieKat8

Quote - You can't expect open, honest and objective dialog when you jump in with prejudicial and authoritative sounding statements right off the bat.

... snip

Morgano

Quote - Ermm...  Why not?

ConnieKat8

Quote - Oh, shush up and listen to me, ya dingbat!  ;)

[I escalated this a notch for illustration purposes. The principle stay sthe same. Now if that was meant seriously, would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me? Somehow, I don't think so. I think you would be more likely to wonder about my disposition, or go, woot, whatzzup with her!]

I don't believe Conniekat8 was intentionally being rude to you. It was an example of behavior designed to elicit a bad response and appears to have worked all too well.

Yeah, well, I'm the World Champion at bad responses, so she shouldn't whine when she gets one, should she?

And inflammatory posts like this would have gotten moved to the Arena on my forums where it would be open season on the OP for having the cajones for posting such tripe.

Running to the Mods for the Win!!!

M. the Poser user for the last 3 years... (5-7)

PS:
Mick, the post was not deleted. It was moved because it was off-topic... Now he is just whinging for sympathy. I read the thread and he's the only one allowed to be abusive but yells for the Mods when someone talks back on his level.

""Yeah, well, I'm the World Champion at bad responses, so she shouldn't whine when she gets one, should she?""

wow...
I don't think it's the pop eyed cat, or insincere smiles - I think maybe its the fact that she happens to be a regular poster here who is always nice and helpful to everyone.

It was incredibly obvious that she didn't mean that - as underlined previously she even specifically stated she didn't.  Maybe when you're done with her you can go after Acadia - another incredibly nice helpful and pleasant person.

Not that she needs someone to step in for her, but jeeze louis some ppl blow my mind with the way they act.

Quote - Quote - ""Would YOU want or expect an open, honest and objective dialog with me?"
Since you come across as an authentic resident of Bedlam, no, frankly."

 
*That's nice.*If you're going to be rude to me, I don't see why I shouldn't reciprocate.   I am a bit bored with people who think that they can say what they like and get away with anything, provided they have a picture of a pop-eyed kitten handy, or sprinkle their posts with insincere smiles. 

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Oh, please! Where was I rude to you?
You're the one with the bad attitude and a touch of paranoia here.

Go re-read what I was talking about. I was comparing OP's behavior at DAZ to someone walking into a group of people and saying, why don't you go do what I tell you to do, ya dingbats whom can't think for yourselves.

You're the one who is all up in arms here, taking personally something that has nothing to do with you and claiming I was being rude to you.

If I was being rude to you, rather then you imagining it, it wouldn't be sprinkled with smilies, I'd tell you in your face, like I am telling you now that your behavior here is very unacceptable, to say the least.
I don't have clue who you are, don't recall any previous interactions with you and definately have no reason to be rude to you. I was answering your question, in a rather lighthearted manner at that. 
I'd appreciate it if you took your bad attitude and paranoia elsewhere and get out of my face. I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return.

Seems appropriate on a number of levels in here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

OOO ConnieKat's claws! ;)

It's the way the question was asked, that was obvious. Your orginal post sounded like you had a chip on your shoulder. Lots of beginners in 3D don't have wads of money to blow on the latest toys or upgrades, so dont knock Daz Studio. I use Poser for the most part myself but Im not using Daz Studio because I prefer Poser or I think I'm better than a Daz Studio user because I user Poser. Thats just snob talk.

This battle over which is better is stupid. Both programs do the samething on different levels, they render, that's it. Thats all it's for. It's stupid to post such topics in the first place. I never understood the bashing of either program. It amazes me. Just be lucky both programs exist and stop whining over it.

Natolii, don't think I have forgotten your abysmal performance during the Poser 7 launch fiasco.   Charming behaviour is hardly a subject on which you can speak from a position of authority.

Conniekat8, I realise that the following question refers to events in the somewhat distant past, but what was the language of instruction in your school:

"I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return."    ?

Freedom of speech does not give you the right to be a rude jerk. I immediately thought troll. Here he says he's new to it then says he's made millions. Give me a break. Get your story straight. I can't believe you say something like that and then come here to whine that they deleted your post. 
Marque

That's a good point- I use Word mostly for word processing, but I have WordPerfect too. Not very long ago I got sent some documents (legal, no less) in a format specific to WP. Is one better than the other? Well, I know how to use the one a lot more fluently, but for that document the other was by far what I needed.
I have both Poser and Studio, I prefer Studio's interface and rendering.  I also like the D/S specific coontent (used it since the beta where ya got lo-res M2and V2 with all morphs, so that is nice). I like the dynamic features, the python plugins and the better animation of Poser.
If I want to create a landscape in Bryce and populate it with people, I will definitely use Studio- it just works a lot smoother. If I want to build some object in Shade and put a person in the scene, I will definitely use Poser and the Poserfusion feature.  To do otherwise in either situation would be basically dumb considering how the programs integrate. I have, like and use both. I'm happy and grateful that there's so much overlap with the content, because that actually is what I really like.

Ok gang, lets get back to the topic please and not be shooting barbs back and forth..what say ye all?

Poser 7 is great. D|S is just substandard in all ways that count... too bad, because I took days to learn D|S before buying poser, and I've never looked back... 

Be more discriptive. In what ways did you find it substandard? What are the ways that count? Tell us why you downloaded it first instead of buying Poser 7. I'm sure they're sorry they wasted your time, but you seem to have more so tell us in detial about your experience. Both of them. Tell us everything!

dogor
 

Morgana, it looks to me like you're questioning ConnieKat's English competency. I'm not taking sides (winks at Connie) but I just LOVE watching people dig themselves deeper and deeper...Helloooooo down there! I've never had a problem with you Morgana, so please take this as friendly advice. Have a coke and a smile, swallow your pride, and understand that any negativity between yourself and Connie was clearly born from miscommunication.

Anyway, Poser 7 is leagues ahead of Daz; no question (Cloth Room, Hair Room, Morph Brush, HDR...nuff said). But Daz is free, so don't look a thinly veiled marketing tool/gift horse in the mouth. If you can't afford (or can't warrant the expense) of Poser; Daz is a sound alternative, albeit somewhat limited (some would say crippled) by direct comparison.

Besides being a marketing tool it's a great way to start off in the world of Poser because it's free. Daz Studio does animations. It has the D-former tool you can add on that's simular to the Morph Brush and doesn't cost much. It will integrate with Bryce 6 and that's a big plus. The whole thing comes around to one program being all things to all people. I personally wouldn't call it crippled. I'd say they're in the beginning stages of developing the program and it doesn't have as many features as Poser 7 yet. But, it's a great place for a beginer to start and it's free. I use D/S and Poser 7. I've had some problems rigging in P7 and had to revert back to P6. They may have fixed the issue in SR2 I haven't tried it in P7 again. The more you use Poser your going to find that it isn't perfect either and that brings us back to cost again. It's affordable considering what you get. I think you can pull some nice renders out of both programs. I've wasted enough of my own time. Later 

dogor.

Since you are not the OP (Original Poster), You need to sheath your claws.

Unlike you obviously, I got help too. But the Poser 7 Fiasco as you so elegantly put it was made such by posters like yourself, talking out of your arse...

SO needless to say, I didn't target you, so kindly take your bad attitude and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

You are proving to be nothing more than a troll... attacking grammar and language now? Real Mature.

I "wasn't" targeting you, previously, but now you caught me in a bad mood and I haven't taken my meds yet.

Quote - Natolii, don't think I have forgotten your abysmal performance during the Poser 7 launch fiasco.   Charming behaviour is hardly a subject on which you can speak from a position of authority.

Conniekat8, I realise that the following question refers to events in the somewhat distant past, but what was the language of instruction in your school:

"I'll make sure I ignore you so I don't get try to answer your question and accused of some imaginary slight in return."    ?

Don't make me invoke Godwin's Law.  I'll do it, I'm not kidding.

Don't you just love these forums on a boring Monday morning!

Well I do have a question sort of on topic...

I have both DS and Poser7... when i render in DS I get really sharp crisp lines and high details.. when I do the same render in Poser7 highest render setting I dont.  What do I need to do in Poser 7 to get the same crisp detail as I do in DS?

I ask because I need what poser 7 has to offer for my art and yet I would love to get that detailing.

Psycha~

In the past, using PP, P5, P6, I would never touch D|S. I tried, but no prevail. I purchased Bryce 6.1 and D|S has to be installed (about 2 months now), which comes with Bryce 6.1. I wasn't pleased when it was installed. Now, today, I am very fond of using D|S. The program is a kewl utility for Bryce. I am beginning to like it.

PsychaDurmont!  look for the script that disables texture filtering, I think its to be found in free stuff forum.

Regards / Jonny

D|S / Bryce is a good combo. Low cost, good value for money
So is Poser/Vue. The Poser / Vue combo is significantly more expensive, especially when you go for the higher end of the Vue line. But it also delivers a LOT of value.

What to use? Depends on what you're comfortable with and what kinds of scenes you do. For the kind of scenes I do myself - multicharacter scenes in detailed environments - D|S / Bryce won't do, I need the extra features of Vue Infinite. For harshly lit SciFi scenes D|S / Bryce is very good.

Poser - Bryce integration is not good at all, the best you can do is import a Poser scene into D|S and go to Bryce from there. But that means that many Poser features will not come across as intented (shaders), not at all (dynamic hair, dynamic cloth) or only with a non-free plugin (magnets, dynamic cloth in the near future). Of course, it's possible to export a Poser scene as .OBJ and then import the .OBJ into Bryce, which gives you a complete material nightmare.

D|S - Vue integration is as bad as Poser - Bryce integration. Worse, since a D|S scene cannot be imported into Poser in order to bring it to Vue. 

Oh, and about the script that disables texture filtering - there's one in my freestuff area (see link in my sig).

D|S - Vue integration

Thanks all.  I will try everything just to see what works.

Drifterlee said: 'Don't you just love these forums on a boring Monday morning!'

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... I promissed myself I'll be on good behavior... Now what am I going to do with all the good TP shredding comebacks I have. sniffle

How I wish right now this was an unmoderated forum, and I didn't have to be on good behavior.
I had my claws manicured this weekend too.... what a waste.

[Kitty: Sitting, staring, contemplating a bad pixel at the lower right corner of the monitor. Maybe if I mix some white-out with burnt umber it'll match the color of my desktop.]

I was curious, does a gallery-full of nostril glow make one an authority? I suppose authority on nostril glow is still some kind of authority.

Quote - Don't you just love these forums on a boring Monday morning!

welll... yes. I learned what Godwin's Law is.. but I'm left wondering what the Poser 7 "Fiasco" was. And hoping Natolii has found that bottle of pills all right. And we learned there is a way to keep Poser's AA from mooshing up textures! A decent Monday's worth of stuff. ;)

Quote - In the past, using PP, P5, P6, I would never touch D|S. I tried, but no prevail. I purchased Bryce 6.1 and D|S has to be installed (about 2 months now), which comes with Bryce 6.1. I wasn't pleased when it was installed. Now, today, I am very fond of using D|S. The program is a kewl utility for Bryce. I am beginning to like it.

Many times I go to DS to find content (it's so much easier to use) and sometimes Posing is easier in it. Often by the time I make a scene, I've been back and forth between Poser and DS a few times... Then I do final renders in Cararra, and sometimes in Bryce.  For some reason I'm pretty fond of Bryce. Don't ask me to explain why.

Quote - ...I'm left wondering what the Poser 7 "Fiasco" was.

it is what people who didn't experience the Poser 5 release call it when they encounter a bump in the system.

I think this has gone far enough.

Some of you can expect a site mail from me shortly.