You should all be aware that the heretics of this world are trying new and dastardly tactics to get you to use their perverted and sinful product.

I have just been advised that the magazine 'Computer Shopper' comes with a cover disc that contains  'Carrara 5' - a foul application that purports to be a 3D program.

Buying this magazine and installing this app is to be avoided at all costs. Doing so WILL render you liable to a date with a comfy chair near you!

You have been warned!

Cardinal Bryster

Does that mean Drac is still the Pope?

its taken me six years to get as far as i have with Bryce. I would retire before i could be any good with another programme.
I shall always be true to the faith..........
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(looks up Computer Shopper on WHSmiths.....)

Woah!  If I didn't already have Carrara 6, I'd jump at the chance to get a free version of Carrara 5.

It feels real good to be a sinner.    I'll just go to confession sometime and tell the priest about it and all will be forgiven.

Dear Cardinal Bryster Thank you very much for the heads-up on this latest sick plot to pervert the 3d world with prohibited 3d apps. I have never seen this 'Computer Shopper' magazine before, but I will surely have to check it out at the local book store. I may even have to buy the mag for myself to get a closer look at the evil that lies within the cover CD. But don't worry, cause even if I do slide this evil CD into my computer and load the prohibited software onto my hard drive, I promise never to use it after the initial 50 or 60 (or even more) times that I start it up and check it out! I know fully well the dangers that lie in wait out there in this 3d world and Bryce will always be my number one choice, right before Ray Dream Studio, Carrara 5, and Vue, oh and I can't forget Wings, 3d max, mojo world and least of all Rhino 3d. You have my sacred word of trust....of this you can be sure! Can you make my chair extra comfy please?

You know, I don't really see using Carrara as being evil.  I mean it's owned and run by the same company.  

Or maybe it's like cheating on your girlfriend by sleeping with her much hotter sister?

I wonder if DAZ counts this for upgrade to C6...
For the cost of a magazine you can shave $215 off C6 purchase.

Wait - that's not right; but it's still saving $60+

Quote - You know, I don't really see using Carrara as being evil.  I mean it's owned and run by the same company.  

Or maybe it's like cheating on your girlfriend by sleeping with her much hotter sister?

I in fact see it as a way of better yourself with your artwork..burn me at the stake but i am stepping up from bryce and going to Carrara and if i can get that mag i'll get it for free

Using carrara and having bryce is just like me having the wife and a girlfriend(which i have) when one can't do what is needed then i go to the other..Best of both worlds i say :tongue1:

At any rate, since it's a U.K. based mag we Yanks (including Phil, he's a Yank now) probably won't see that issue for well over a month on our side of the pond. Hmmmm, I wonder if it's the full "virgin",  or a time-limited demo? If it's the real deal I can use all my DCG plug-ins with it.

If they are giving it away on a mag, why don't they make it free to those who have forked out $$$ for their other products? I would be curious to try it out, but would not spend on it as I like Bryce.

Quote - You know, I don't really see using Carrara as being evil.  I mean it's owned and run by the same company.  

Or maybe it's like cheating on your girlfriend by sleeping with her much hotter sister?

I dont see it as evil and I find it compliments Bryce.

PS: DAZ was giving away a certain Free Ship, by a Certain Person in this thread... ;)

but only to Platinum members...;) sigh...

Is Computer Shopper still around? Last time I saw it, it was the size of a Whole Earth Catalog (and dang, don't that date me...;) Say a large-format phone book...I wonder if they still have 'Basic is the Peoples' Language'...;)

Not sure, but I think Computer Shopper might be one of those US Mags...

*Not sure, but I think Computer Shopper might be one of those US Mags...

*I'm a Brit - you do the math.

Quote - At any rate, since it's a U.K. based mag we Yanks (including Phil, he's a Yank now) probably won't see that issue for well over a month on our side of the pond. Hmmmm, I wonder if it's the full "virgin",  or a time-limited demo? If it's the real deal I can use all my DCG plug-ins with it.

So for us Aussies it will arrive five minutes after never??? I think I have some sort of Carrarra freebie on another mag somewhere, haven't loaded that yet so I doubt this one will see the innard of my pc for a long time yet Cardinal, although .....a comfy chair to boot....just stirring.

Boofy, you are already a heretic, so what does it matter. :lol:
"In for a dime, in for a dollar."

You might like C5, you might hate C5; but you willl never know until you try it out.

ah...well, as they used to say 'the Iliad was not written by Homer, but another Greek of the same name..;) there's probably 2 different mags; the one I've seen dates back to the 80s, and was basicly a big catalog of motherboards, floppy drives, modems (hey, it was the 80s..;) and was the size of a large phone book. I've seen it maybe a few months ago, and it's shrunk considerably since then..;)

it's probably a British magazine with the same name as our venerable offering..;) One nice thing is usually when these things are done, it may be offered into another magazine in the near future.

just to be a heretic, how does this free carrara compares to the always free and just released blender2.45?? Maybe drac can awnser this ?

well...Carrara does a few things well, Blender tries to do everything...and has a menu to go with each..;) New version, huh? off to go see...

Here is what you can do with C5... sorry for the Low quality.

I've been working on this for a very long time now... seems it will never finish...but it will eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAZumMoB-oo

Quote - Here is what you can do with C5... sorry for the Low quality.

I've been working on this for a very long time now... seems it will never finish...but it will eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAZumMoB-oo

 you could do that with bryce to only need a terraquat of ram and a 10,000ghz render farm and a few months.....

Quote - you could do that with bryce to only need a terraquat of ram and a 10,000ghz render farm and a few months.....

Each scene was rendered under an hour on an I.B.M Thinkpad T42P Laptop with 2GB of Ram.

When I first started using Carrara, I thought ok... there has to be some sort of trick going on here, there is no way this thing, can render amazing quality images so quickly.

I still feel skeptical everytime I render something in Carrara, I feel like someone is going to come into the room and announce that I'm on some kind of candid camera and this was a joke.
 
Now Since DAZ owns both Carrara and Bryce, it would be amazing if they could make Bryce render as fast as Carrara.

It's never going to happen they use completely different rendering ideologies!

I'm still gonna buy the mag and play with it but I don't see it drawing me away from Blender.

Carrara only renders 'fast' for low quality. As soon as you increase the quality and/or activate advanced lighting features, it slows down dramatically. It is really not a very fast renderer at all.
Sure, if you render piss poor quality, it will be very fast. But it doesn't have very efficient GI or raytracing algorithms.
I was not very happy that DAZ ignored upgrading it's render engine in favor of moving towards making it a Poser-like app. Carrara will lose a lot of users to Shade now because of that; and they are not going to draw many users away from Poser (which is clearly their main intent). Not to mention the landscapers that will go for Vue6; for the vastly superior landscaping and the more powerful render engine (though somewhat slower, whcih is to be expected).

I won't deny that C5 has a good tool set. And I would suggest that anybody that doesn't have it should jump on the free offer. It would be a good addition to just about anybody's tool box.
I even did the C6 upgrade, so I'm not 'anti-Carrara', or just bashing.

I'm getting carara 5 to start with..my sister inlaw is sending the magazine over for me. If i can figure the program out and like it then i may upgrade to version 6. Don't get me wrong brycers i will still have bryce..infact at the end of the year i'll have bryce 6 installed on my upgraded hdd(250 gig is getting small)

CD: Apparantly you can get a Terabyte (1000mb) hdd for about £250uk..................I run 500, 300 &160mb hdds on my latest pc.

Tried it already, and prefer Bryce 6.1. But thankyou for trying to make me go over to the dark side. :D

Quote - CD: Apparantly you can get a Terabyte (1000mb) hdd for about £250uk..................I run 500, 300 &160mb hdds on my latest pc.

£250uk = $600aud, for that i could almost upgrade my computer  
no mate if i went bigger it would be 450-500gig i can't see me needing much more than that.
would love to upgrade motherboard, ram, cpu and graphic card but wife wont let me lol...women always put a stopper on us men having fun.

Jeez but I need to learn to spell. 

Should read: 500, 300 & 160 GIG hdds
Terabyte (1000gig)

I had gotten two 500GB Western Digital HDDs on sale for $109US at a local Circuit City (electronics store); but then there were $50 rebates for each one. I've seen deals like that around on the web before.
I got my printer and monitor the same way. And a pair of JBL speakers.
Shop around and you can find good deals.
I almost never pay full price for anything computer related; which fits my cheapskate mentality rather well.
EDIT - forgot to say I only payed half price for my video cards.:biggrin:

I have multiple terrabytes over at the studio but for some reason disks still always get full! :-/

Backup Becomes a difficult problem when you start dealing with Large amount of storage... having said that.  It is still cheaper to buy another harddrive for backup purposes, vs CD/DVD or TAPE Methods.

just installed it on my vistacomp, got the mag from the english bookshop for 12,70 euro. thx for showing the demo animations analog, was that cuban bartender also rendered in carrara? :P
here a link to some test anims i did in blender :
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ysvry

I think im gonna check out the spline modeler and the more exotic shaders I truely hope its vast as i hate waiting for a render while experimenting with the settings. In de doc i read it used to be ray dream studio, tried that a long time ago and didnt like the  user interface.I also found I had the ray dream handbook by craig patchett and john sledd in my 3d library hope that helps me on the way some what. Havent much time as I have to finish that robo animation within a month for the cgnet strange behaviour challenge.

Tip for other vista users trying to install, the menu from the magazine disk gives an error  just go with explorer into the relevant map and click on the setup file manually.

I'm itching to buy the Pro version which right now is on sale for $274.50.. but with my luck after I buy it the price will drop even lower.  So I'm holding off.

Here is a neat Hair test render someone did on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFLQIUrLENc

It wouldn't take much to re-enact that scene from the movie Critters in Cararra then, would it?
That's video is kinda freaky in a cool way.

After many days of playing with the 'amazing, fabulous, fantastic' Carrara 6 and testing out its various features and workflow, I said "OH PLEASE.... GIVE ME BACK MY BRYCE!"

however, the darkside is powerful and when you understand it...you can do almost anything.

BT

old image, using carrara5 (entirely)..no post work.

Yes, I'm sure it's a powerful program, but in my humble opinion it needs some refining.  For example, where are the one-click camera memory presets?  How can anyone live without them!  And it still uses that silly production frame?  Oh boy, don't even get me started....

down at the bottom of the list that appears, is "save position"
you will save it to your desired name.

To recall it, simply click and hold the same place again, and select the position name from the dropdown.

:)
BT

Ack!

I went to Vue ages ago, sorry! :D
Carrara's modelling tools etc look nice, but I've got Rhino for that.
Particles though, ugh I'd kill for particles in Vue! ;)

I just felt Carrara had a clunky interface. Blender has a confusing interface at first, but everything is there when you need it. The whole idea of 'rooms' I hate, I want thing s to be more dynamic.

It just saddens me to see how archaic most 3D interfaces are, even today in this modern age.   Example:   you want to put fur on a rabbit?  You should be able to select the body mesh, press a "make fur/hair" button, the option box pops up, you select gray + short + dense fur and voila! ... the rabbit is covered in gray fur.  Then you select the polygons on the belly and press a "make fur/hair" button again, and choose white fur.... and the gray belly fur becomes white fur.  Now why can't it be that simple, for heavens sake.  Is there some secret law that prohibits simplicity?

That's how 3ds max's hair works. Select the polys, grow the hair (add modifier), change any parameters you want.
Then you can brush the hair how you want it styled. Pretty nifty.
It's all non-destructive too (as long as you don't collapse the modifier stack), and you can grow multiple hair styles on/across polygon groups. It's fully dynamic of course.
I've never understood why people say 3ds max is a hard interface to learn. It's all very neat and well organized, IMO.

I think there are one or two buttons that are a pain and the material editor is hard to understand at first - most people sit there thinking 'I only have 12 materials allowed in the scene??? ..'

There is no limit to number of materials, AFAIK, except RAM of course...

Boofy, you are already a heretic, so what does it matter. :lol:
"In for a dime, in for a dollar."

Ah yes but it is soooooo much fun being saved (over and over) by the gallant knight in shining armour my friend, btw what is that lurking in your 3d closet there Dvlenk6???? :woot: Takes one to know one...chuckle, chuckle Jen

I have many heretical applications and I use them all on a regular basis.:b_tonguewink:

Ahhh! another one past redemption, lets us all go and remodel The Cardinal's chair and see if we can convert him to the dark side of the force. :scared:...or is that the dark side of the polygon...er...n-gon....?

Quote -
Ahhh! another one past redemption, lets us all go and remodel The Cardinal's chair...

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2708673

Hmmm, nice work, I remember those now....must be all the heretic thoughts clouding my mind made me forget! Are the Cardinal's toes burning yet? do you think he will be tempted??