Child nudity is banned, right?

 Yes, but apparently bondage wear for a "young teenage" girl  (Laura) is fine (see Sekhet's freestuff).

Yes, its fine for adults to play adult games, but associating children with sexual play of this kind is just plain sick.

I work in the law, and regularly have to deal with sex offenders. There are people who will use any suggestion that children are sexual beings to justify their own feelings and - eventually - actions.

I am horrified that  'rosity consider this freebie acceptable.  (even Sekhet apparently has his doubts about it). I know someone has already brought it to their attention, and they have deemed it acceptable (!)  Of course, it would not have been allowed at 'Rotica! (blanket no children rule).

I for one will not be buying anything from Rendo for the foreseeable future.

I can grok your repulsion to it (no, really... a bondage harness on something that looks like a kid is downright creepy).

OTOH, a lot of folks do with the Laura mesh what they (and I) used to do with the old Milgirl PT mesh... stretch it out into a petite adult form via morphs, since the results work/bend better than simply shrinking an "adult" mesh down.

Though a bondage harness is a bit, err, out there for my tastes... taking a look at it, I don't see how it would be much of a technical problem for an adult-morphed Laura to have one.

(...come to think of it? with a bit of modification, one could make it a parachute harness, a 'weapons' or extreme backpacking harness, stuff like that).

/P

Im more offended by your Thread "header"  than with your POINT in the statement..

Im here at Renderosity and i use poser so IM a pervert

For someone who work in the Law you choose your words real Badly.
Im with you one the freebees but calling me and all others here at R'O who use Poser Perverts ..... not good, even wors then the freebee's imho...

FWIW, I'm more than a little peeved at the thread title, too.  Not only the implication but the assertion that somehow the opinion contained within is official.  It ain't.  It's an opnion.

As for implying that I'm a pervert because I'm a member and merchant here, well, the TOS forbids me from replying but I'm sure you can take a wild guess.

Penguinisto is basically spot on
[Wow, bet you never thought you'd hear me say THAT, eh Tom? ;-) ]
with why we have allowed this.

The item in question has a thumbnail which uses a very adult-looking model on it. We wouldn't have allowed this (or any other "provocative" type clothing) on a model which appeared to be under 18.

Any mesh can be morphed to appear any age. That's why we steer clear of saying "this mesh is a child; this mesh is an adult". Victoria can be morphed to a young child. Laura can very easily be morphed into an adult figure. We have to judge individual cases based only on their individual appearance.

I'm pretty sure that was explained to you by admin when you initially complained about this. What with your thread title, it looks to me like you're trying to stir something up. That's not likely to happen when you've alienated most of the readers before they even start reading your post.

I don't think you're going to get anyone to agree with you that this is a child:

HARNESS for LAURA
by sekhet (homepage)

Also I can't for the life of me see why you're boycotting the vendors here? It's not like THEY uploaded that freebie.

Oh for the record, I use Poser for porn, so by your measurements I suppose I am a pervert. I don't use Laura though, I've always found her almost as ugly as Steph3. And I don't condone CP in any form (no, CP does not stand for Content Paradise here) but calling everybody here perverts and boycotting their work (not that a single person's boycott will mean much anyway) is simply not on.

I think you owe some people here an apology. I personally couldn't care less about being called a pervert, but I DO mind being lopped in the same box as child molesters!

First time I've gotten called a pervert, just because I like Poser.
I'm a 64 yrs old Grandmother, and wife for 45 yrs. So I'm not out their swinging. Unless it's my hooters when I'm running from your bad choice of words.

Poser is a tool like any other.  It has no moral value in and of itself, any more than a hammer does.  Poser is what the end user makes of it.  Fields of flowers and dancing babies -- or scenes of graphic brutality.  Or a gazillion other things inbetween.

First of all, on the subject line, it was meant as an attention-grabbing byline, not as a statement of fact! I'm a Poser user myself, so on the interpretation most of you are taking, I'm accusing myself of being a pervert too, which was not my intention towards any of you.

Rather, it's products like this that get us all labelled as perverts, which was the point I was trying to make. R'osity, by accepting this freebie, seem to be endorsing that attitude.

As for the figure looking grown up, I don't see it. Physically, she is no more developed than my 14 year old daughter, and her face looks like the results of an amateur facepainter at a school fete.

Yes, a mesh can be morphed, but when this bit of gear is available for so many adult female figures, what is the point of producing it for a child?

Trekkiegrrl, as I thought I'd made clear in my original post, I have no problems with adult porn (I've produced some myself, though not for posting), but I am revolted by child porn.

I get the feeling this thread is gonna be locked. I'd probly complain about depictions of bondage, but those harness images weren't offensive to me. I'm unfamiliar with this "laura" item, but it's not an actual girl, rather it's a 3d representation of a poser surface. IMVHO those harnesses weren't a TOS violation here, nor were they offensive to the extremes of what one useta see on the porno sites and possibly here - images depicting violence against women. I dunno if any of these sites allow, encourage or promote such images or sales of items used in such images, but it would be unfortunate if any of 'em were profiting from the depiction of abuse and degradation of women, even tho these are only 3d depictions of surfaces, not actual women or girls, hence there's no identifiable victim, as the court in the states has ruled. extreme images tend to desensitise viewers to abuse, and they become acceptable and desirable in such subcultures, in the same way members of pedophile groups become desensitised to child abuse.

Rather, it's products like this that get us all labelled as perverts, which was the point I was trying to make. R'osity, by accepting this freebie, seem to be endorsing that attitude.

Sounds like you've got your logic on backwards. Or something.

Maybe you should have gone with a more honest and straightforward title like "I don't like the rules here"?

I agree with Miss Nancy about images tending to desensitize -  I think that makes this Harness somewhat dangerous - it is implicitly saying that its okay to put kids into bondage gear. I'm with Starfish on this.

as a Pervert I must protest the lack of lime green jello and eggwhisks in the forums.....

oops.. wrong forums to complain in....

Perhaps I'm a pervert... (surely)

...but thanks for your thread! (I missed this freebie) :woot:

Please refrain from using clone accounts to support your own arguments... thank you...

Quote - Please refrain from using clone accounts to support your own arguments... thank you...

Hmm.  I did wonder about that. :)

You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

unless the clones are standing in green jello carrying an eggwhis.......

Khai has been sedated with a large mallet to the back of the head. we apologise for the inconvience.

As regards a 3d depiction of a surface, a photo is just a collection of inks on paper - it is what they represent to the viewer that matters. English law describes "photos or pseudo-photos" of children when discussing child pornography.

If my thread title was overinflamatory, then I apologise, but I was and am angry about this.

Unfortunately, I can't post any more responses for a few hours, as I'm likely to lose access to my computer for a while - I'm not retreating from the argument. I'll be back (said in suitable Terminator accent!)

Quote - You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

:lol:

Quote - You'll notice that I very tactfully and with confidentiality aforethought didn't address that to any one person, right? It was just a general remark.

And yes, the staff CAN see your IP address, folks.

You're kidding... :blink:

No, of course you're NOT kidding... :bored:

A duplicated member... PERVERT!!! :lol:

Quote - Unfortunately, I can't post any more responses for a few hours, as I'm likely to lose access to my computer for a while - I'm not retreating from the argument. I'll be back (said in suitable Terminator accent!)

With what nickname? :lol:

applauds Karens on-the-ball-iness!! LMAO!!

that was a great tactic though, i want clone accounts that agree with me now!!

Casette answer: YES
Kasette says: OF COURSE
K-Set-Eh thinks: I AGREE
Cazzette adds: ME TOO

:lol:

I recall instances of clone accounts where the various clones argued with themselves, rather than agreeing with each other.  And I'm sure that they all shared the same IP address, too -- so at least they agreed on that point, anyway.

OK -- now I can't participate in this thread from the office anymore.

Quote - Don't understand the discussion. Laura is a mesh, IMO better bending then e. g. V3 and look at this, it is Laura

She needs... uh... mumble, mumble...

... A HARNESS !!! :lol:

Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

That's impressive, Jules. Very natural looking, and definitely very adult.

Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

YES, SIR 

(MWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA) :lol:

Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

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Ok.. Im a poser user myself and for the life of me agree with the officer on this.

My clones never agree with me! We're always arguing and they steal my best cothes and my boyfriends!  :blink:

Absolutely impressive, Jules! And as long as there's no other models to give away the size, she's without a doubt an adult (well she is in any case, but it just proves that size doens't always matter)

I prefer David to M3, also because of better bending and morphs, and I've seen impressive things done with Luke (similar to your Laura, only without the boobies snort) and as long as you've got two Davids or whatever in the scene there's nothing that spells adolescent there either!

Casette... ;o)

Quote - > Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

 

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:m_cry: When I click your link there's just a white page... What WAS supposed to be there, Paul?

To Karen- Good for you :D (Pat on the back)
Bet you though I'd never say THAT, lol :P

Score one for Jules, lol :P
To succeed where all others have failed is a true accomplishment

The Doctor explains life:
"It's just natures way to keep meat fresh"

Quote - That's impressive, Jules. Very natural looking, and definitely very adult.

I agree, 110%.

It's gone to page 2, so it's not a problem from here.    Either that, or be really fast with the scroll button on the 1st page -- nice-looking Laura-based character.

hmm.....i was a pervert before i discovered poser...so does bein a poser pervert cancel the other out?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Aww I dunno. Sockpuppets can be so much fun!

Depending on what you put them on of course :m_coolsmirk:

 

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:m_cry: When I click your link there's just a white page... What WAS supposed to be there, Paul?

go to the site www.plif.com and search for socks, using their search facility in the archive.  I would post the pic here but I don't want to violate copyright.

For those who aren't perverts, perhaps we can work together and fix that problem so we can all use poser AND be perverts?

Am I a pervert, .....?  Sure, you bet your lil blue bonnet.  However I hate to inform you, my pervertedness has nothing to do with poser.  Since I have no desire to take my computer, or a  box containing the poser 6 CD to bed....... well it defeats the purpose.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1526838

.... and now the thread is complete. :tt2:

:lol:

I'm not really sure that the argument, that there is no problem because the item in qusetion was advertised on an adult figure, holds much water.
Sexy lingerie for Maddie pre-school, sex-poses for Mat and Maddie pre-school - all advertised on adult figures of course. The current policy would seem to allow this.
It's all pretty sick to me.

Hmm, never occured to me that the harness was perverted or that the use of the harness was.....but now you it was brought up, I've come up with some very nasty things to do with it.

Ok, ok I admitt it, I already got the harness, and yes I too am a perv. 

in reference to the original post:

If you really work in Law, then you can surely spot a few logical fallacies in your statements... Things like speculation and inductive reasoning just to name a few. Neither of which make something actually true.
Are you sure you work in law? Cause I don't and even I can spot the 'non sequiturness' of your statements.

As for the harness, It never would have occured to me to think of it in conjunction with a child, untill someone connected the dots for me. I've seen Laura meshes morphed into very adult figures, and some fantasy elf characters, and I would have never connected the harness with a child looking figure.
So, mr original poster, being that you did make that connection, what the heck kind of perverted stuff goes on in your head?

My cat has a harness too... doesn't mean I'm planing on molesting it (same with the dog)... And a few times I wanted to harness the teenagers in my house Again, not for molestation, but to just get them to sit still and not make a mess for a few minutes after everything has been cleaned up.

This reminded me of a situation of seeing a condom in a street, and ASSuming there's a cat-house in the neighborhood. A bit of a leap. Also, in case anyone forgot, nine-teen is also teenage years, and doesn't fall under statutory... I think in this state six-TEEN is the age of consent too. 

Methinks, or shall I say this perv thinks the original poster is overblowing things just a TAD...

Quote - First of all, on the subject line, it was meant as an attention-grabbing byline, not as a statement of fact! I'm a Poser user myself, so on the interpretation most of you are taking, I'm accusing myself of being a pervert too, which was not my intention towards any of you.

Sigh. We really need a "how to communicate with other people" article somewhere, I swear. First line should read something like: "If you don't want people to interpret your words as a statement of fact, then don't make a statement of fact, and especially don't use words like 'official' when doing it." I can see someone getting upset about the item. I can see the arguments about why not to get upset about the item, too. Hello! I'm what you might call "on the fence." There are sensible ways of bringing that topic up to get people on your side about it. This was so not one of them. I'd think it's far more likely you riled up a whole bunch of people against even listening to your complaint (and quite possibly anything else you have to say) in a serious and open-minded manner on account of the way it was presented -- and I'm talking about people who would have been empathetic. Your presentation nudged me right off the fence, see, and right away from thinking you have the ability to consider this situation rationally. (Rational people, such a turn on. Rational people get me all hot and bothered. Wait... )

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You perv you...
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Nah. I'm a zombie. I love me some braaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnns. grin