Quote - I see this all as a "proposed" problem.  Now I think i'd have a fit if my thirteen year old daughter came down from her room dressed in that thing......... however, she's all nice and real, and the outfit is polygons, it wouldn't work out.

I think its slightly rediculous that someone is harping an item, tossing gernalizations in a blanket over an entire community, over an item which, ........ may not even be used in the way described by the original poster.

Now.......  SHOW me where this item is being used to illicit child pornography, show me there's actual poser users spewing out all these child figures in bondage using THIS item...... and I'll get behind you.

Until then you are -guessing- what people will use it for.  Since you are the one imagining its implications, does that not mean that YOU are the pervert?  After all, you are the one comming up with the fetishised connotations, and not us.

Yanno you brought to mind something, I have two girls, 10 and 14 and their cousin who's 17 had a couple pair of those 'fetish' pants with all the straps and bits of chain wrapped around and off the pants waist and legs. My girls were dying for some too (too danged expensive for kids who'll grow out of em in a couple of months tho) ...I could actually see a teen using that harness over some kind of outfit as a fashion statement depending on the crowd they ran with...punketts, bat babies, anime wannabes and the like.

Exactly.  That item could be used in a hundred different ways, textured differently...... so on so fourth.  An item in and of itself, is not perverted, its what is done with it.

Incidentally...... I don't have the item, but I do appreciate that the creator Sekhret made it.  He created an item, not a genre.

I'm prob one of the few artists that doesn't render nudes or children and I take offense when someone calls me a perv for using Poser or any render program.  Poser figures are not real. How can anyone sit here and compare real life with fake artwork or a freebie? Gez, the figures need clothes people make them. I for one do not knock a freebie provider. Without them, I wouldn't be able to render. If you dont like the item the person is offering for free, here's a hint, don't download it. I can't believe someone gripes about a freebie. Got to be kidding me.

Waits for dead horse and popcorn.*

Let's look at the title of this thread. Poser is for perverts-it's official. Hmmm, I use poser and maybe you use poser too. I use a pervert's program? No, I'm not going to lighten up and if that person wants, I'll make good on my promise. Keep pushing it and see what happens if you keep connecting me with that or the feeling of some kind of silly wrongful shame for saying teenage girls look sexy or using Poser then this ain't over. Teenage girls are too close to looking like adult women to be anything else in a man's eyes. In fact it's hard if not impossible to tell the difference sometimes. Yes, I've looked at them and gathered that opinion myself or I couldn't say that. I've done nothing wrong. I see nothing wrong with the freebie item either. How Poser and the content is used depends on the artist.  I don't think the thread title helps Poser or the reputation's of it's users. I don't take lightly to somebody judging people in an open forum for what they may or may not think. Believe me, I know right from wrong pjz99. I abide by the laws of this country.

dogor,

whoa.....  dogor, if you have such a beef with someone do you really think a public forum like this is the best place to handle it? 

If ya don't wanna lighten up, perhaps you may be so inclined to take a chill pill!! 

See?  That's me trying to encourage levity...

Quote - Keep pushing it and see what happens if you keep connecting me with that or the feeling of some kind of silly wrongful shame for saying teenage girls look sexy or using Poser then this ain't over.  Teenage girls are too close to looking like adult women to be anything else in a man's eyes.

You seem to be trying to say that having erotic thoughts about minors (in the US, this is people below the age of 18) is the male norm, and I can assure you it's not.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=pedophilia

Do I misunderstand you?

Loooooock time.

(munches popcorn and waits for the flogging to commence) Oh, one thing to keep in mind. Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word (as well as totally ignoring the fact that mid-to-late teens of both genders are busily strutting and showing the booty and generally sending out those mating feelers that all yearling mammals do. Appreciating the scenery is a -far- different thing than taking advantage of it is).

Blinks, how did this topic turn into a pedo topic? wow.

When a certain someone started very vehemently down the line with: "Is this to suggest that kid's can't be sexy?"

Dale B:

Quote - Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word ...

Your opinion is not "the accepted definition".

Quote - Dale B:

Quote - Accusing someone of pedophilia is accusing them of sexual interest =in pre-pubescent children=. That is the accepted definition, and the current vogue of calling someone a 'pedo' if they express attraction for an mid-to-late teen adolescent is a serious misuse of the word ...

 

Your opinion is not "the accepted definition".

True. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia The medical community however -does- define it that way. And since pedophilia is first and foremost a -medical- definition term, whatever colloquial usage is batted about currently is irrelevant. And no, I am not claiming that wikipedia speaks for the medical community. However, there are links there that lead to the proper in-use medical references that =do= make that definition.

Quote - I think in this state six-TEEN is the age of consent too. 

Funny you should mention that... there was a local news story last night about a Cheerleading Coach who got arrested for having sex with a 16-year-old girl. Seems that 16 is the legal age for consent in the state of Washington (just next door to where I live in Portland, Oregon), unless the adult participant is a coach, minister, counselor, or teacher. > Quote - still no ladies standing in green jello.....?

You have to go to Utah for that. (inside joke - ask someone @ DAZ what it means ;) ). -- As for age vs. looks? PJ - I think you're misconstruing the difference between puberty and law. One is driven by evolution, the other by policy. If a female walked by on the beach and she hasn't hit puberty or has just begun going through it, then obviously she's not going to elicit an erotic charge out of a normal heterosexual male observer, even in a string bikini (any more than an obviously prepubescent boy would from a normal homosexual male observer). There I agree with you. I also agree that kids really, really shouldn't look (or try to look) "sexy". That said - if a female walked along the beach in a string bikini and looks 'hot' (as in, "capable of reproduction"), she looks 'hot'. Call it a nasty leftover from evolution. Until someone mandates changeable "I'm legal!" tattoos, nothing's really going to change that. -- Now, what does this have to do with mesh? Simple... there are lots of subtle cues that visually determine pubescence (and not just breast-size, either - think hips, face, arms, legs, etc, all in combination). If it looks adult, it doesn't need huge bazongas to show it. Couple that with the fact that conforming clothing is built for the base mesh, I see no probs with what Sekhet made and distributed. /P

Ok...lets get at least one thing corrected.

The 'official' medically based definition of pedophilia is:

www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm

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The Characteristics of Pedophilia

According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

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http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355#DSMIV_Criteria_for_Pedophilia

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DSM-IV **Criteria for Pedophilia

** *Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger).

**The fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.

**The person is at least age 16 years and at least five years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13- year-old.

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The above are the three criteria involved in the process to determine pedophilia and must be present in order to diagnose someone as having the disorder...they also come with certain 'howevers' particularly the last criteria.

I asked you guys to play nice, but some can't drop it.

Poser forum isn't the place for this, folks. Show's over.