Greetings members,
Sometimes its better to leave the lid on the pot.

Just to answer the ???

I prefer to see the comment section open and with something from the member (in any language).

I really don't care about ... comment for comment ... I will go to other member galleries that do comment and have a look. I have made some friends here and I will comment their posts with as much bias as I can .

It will be a really cold day that I site mail a member that doesn't allow comments. No brainer there.

And I could have been looking at the photography gallery.
fm
and good day to all ;-)

amen to that :o)

mick

I do have a couple of favourite artists, that do not allow comments but I still go and look at their uploads, I never site mail either of them, but I have put a couple of their pics in my favourites and I will continue to visit whenever I get an ebot telling me they have posted an image.  I also comment on some members and have never had a comment returned but I still comment on theirs.  I know some people live a very busy life and are unable to comment on everybodys up loads, I know I can't, and I'm retired.   Renderosity is a big part of my life and sometimes I wonder what I would do without it.

What it all boils down to is personal preference, we are all individuals that have differing tastes and values of what we think is right and proper, and that is a good thing.

I tell you this, "If personal choice is removed from this Renderosity Community site it will be a very sad day indeed, and I for one would have to leave."   We have enough problems throughout the world without bickering on here as well. 

I used to have a tag on another web site, the tag read, "There are no strangers in this world, just friends that have not met."  I think maybe it was wrong and that one word needs changing from Friends to Fiends, as you can see only one letter but what a difference.

A new tag:-
GOOD FRIENDS ARE LIKE STARS.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THEM,
BUT YOU ALWAYS KNOW THEY ARE THERE!!!!!! 
A new week starts tomorrow, have a nice one.

Quote - What it all boils down to is personal preference, we are all individuals that have differing tastes and values of what we think is right and proper, and that is a good thing.

I tell you this, "If personal choice is removed from this Renderosity Community site it will be a very sad day indeed, and I for one would have to leave."   We have enough problems throughout the world without bickering on here as well. 

A new tag:-
GOOD FRIENDS ARE LIKE STARS.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THEM,
BUT YOU ALWAYS KNOW THEY ARE THERE!!!!!! 
A new week starts tomorrow, have a nice one.

Well said Jeff, well done mate, i agree with you.

mmmm... may be we are not looking at the real problem ! ...

Who want real critics ? I mean real artistic and technical critics !

Why not just create a sticky topic, where we can put name of members who really want it ?

Or just put a line in you post with your pic, with an acronym like ICACC (i can assume contructive critic).

Here in photography, i see three groups : the 'i want to progress' group, the 'say hello to my cat/dog/baby' group, the 'i just want good comments from my friends' group.

So, if you feel you want to progress in photography, just take the right group.

And if you want a real progression but not elitist, why not comment with contructivism in mind, not just the good pic, but the average or bad one too !
So in this way, everybody will progress (.. i hope lol)

But i think we are a minority :o( 

So now.. define the goal and shoot !

Seeya
Olivier

Personally I feel that if they don't allow comments to be given, they don't want them. I just think it saves me time...

If I really really think the picture is seriously great, I'll IM them but generally don't.

I don't believe in "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" coz when I was online alot I was one of the people viewing just about every picture and commenting on 80% of those, but my comments never went over an average of 12 per post. The reason? Coz I don't baby people with WOW comments. Plus I would not comment on every single picture that every single artist has posted. Making me seem 'less frequent'.

Personally I think the comment debate or war is over... It'll never change, it is a very personal thing...

A comment is a comment... RIGHT?  So what's the difference if I leave one under an image in the gallery or email someone, who has comments disabled?  When I have something to say or want to give feedback, it doesn't matter the method used.

Joe

Some good discussion illustrating both (or more) sides of this "argument." and mostly OT. Just a reminder to try and not make it personal by naming names or using examples of anyone other than your own work. Let's keep things polite and be open minded. Remember that there is a wide range of age groups and experience levels of the people who are part of this community. And after you are done with this thread, please feel free to get back to working on your own gallery images and leaving comments for others (if you feel so inclined and they allow comments). :m_smile: Thanks.

Well, now I'm a bit timid about leaving comments since they might be considered shallow and fluffy rather than constructive and helpful. But I'm one of those who came for the education. Frankly, I still can't tell you the difference between an F-stop and a manhole. But I am never short of words to tell someone I like something or have suggestions to make something more eye appealing.

Can I just say :   Wow !!!! Fabulous thread !

"And after you are done with this thread, please feel free to get back to working on your own gallery images and leaving comments for others (if you feel so inclined and they allow comments)."

I think that's a white flag & encouraging comment from TwoPynt's , Same here , Live & let live , don't criticise or complain that people make there own choices.

Let Render continue & the user's make there own choice, Still intresting topic ..... Oh & before I leave this thread , There's a missing morale ...... Maybe not Shuts mouth

Heh tc all!

It would be whenever a gallery of family photos makes the Gallery of the Month, and then we should be concerned. ;o) Some of my photos that I didn't think were artistic enough made the LWITG was a surprise to me. Sometimes they are more "artsy" than we realize. I also know that artists do not agree with each other on what "art" is, and these can be very popular artists. They each contribute something different. We have beginners here and more seasoned artists, and they are a good mix. We do learn from each other. If you kick the beginners out, then what will you have? Soon, there will be the same dullness of doing the same thing over and over again because there is only so much to be tolerated. I believe in thinking outside the box.

Good thoughts Medley. The question is if you don't "kick out" the beginners, how do you keep the seasoned artists/photographers happy. The short answer is you can't please everyone. Conditions will never be ideal for everyone. Beginners have to realize that sometimes they will frustrated the seasoned members. Seasoned members need to be flexible and perhaps a beginner could show them something they hadn't thought of. And as far as the social aspect of the site...that is part of Renderosity and for good or ill it probably won't change. We do have control over our own gallery though. If one wants critial comments, ask for them. Site mail people that leave "fluff" comments (if that offends you) and kindly ask them not to comment like that. Or turn off comments all-together and let people know you just want critial critiques and to please mail you with any. Or post images you think need work in the forum and ask. There are lots of options...

I enjoy the open aspect of RR which encourages people to try posting images outside their usual area. Feedback is useful and even the number of views can be a guide.We are not trying to win a contest here thank goodness(in fact I gave up on photo contests because the winners were never as good as the work i submitted ! )

Even short comments are welcomed because someone took some time out of their day to post.

if I was not commited to finding an image a day to post my photography would not be as varied, its a challenge i have set myself.

Very good points Garlor. Some people take their galleries more seriously than others...only showing what they think is their very best work. There is no right or wrong to it, but I also enjoy a person who's gallery has hits ... and some misses. It makes them more human -- lets you peek inside their brain a bit more. But I digress...

Unless you are a pro and it is your living, it should be fun, its a hobby, I have several differing hobbies but that is what it boils down to, if you do not get enjoyment out of your hobby then its a bit sad I think.  I always though that was the reason for taking up hobbies, a way to relax and enjoy any spare time that you have.

A thread like this, should be a good debate, not an attack on a personal level.  Everybody is entitled to their own oppinion, and evry body should respect that right and have a debate not a slanging match.  My oppinion is different to a lot of others but I try to respect others have a right to theirs.

I do it for fun, its hard coming to terms with unemployment and realising you will never work again but this site has helped me tremendously, I have met lots of people from all over the world a lot of them call me a friend and visa versa.  One of the main things brough up on this thread was the buddy comments, you scratch my back I'll scratch yours.  I really don't see a problem with this, its a way of life, I do however sometimes make suggestions if I can see something I think is not quite right.  I am not a professional and half the time I don't spot things that other people do, so sometimes I think an image is superb someone else may think it is rubbish.  This is when I have to respect that persons right to their oppinion, after all that is all it is 'An Oppinion'.

I say if you do not get any fun out of your hobby, choose another hobby.

Nuff said!

Oh, heck, I can't resist one more~~~~it all just boils down the same thing I've said before, and others before me ~~live and let live, we're here for mostly the same reasons, and we have the choice to make whatever decisions we want regarding comments, ratings, etc.
RR rocks!!!

i think this thread should now be nailed and agree to disagree .as pointed out there is enough room for everyone and plenty of options .we really dont need another war when all we really want to do is get on with our lives whichever way we choose :o)

mick

Quote " It makes them more human -- lets you peek inside their brain a bit more."

::: grumbles as she wanders off looking for the wisk broom to tidy up her brain :::

You sure you wanna go there?    : )

I personally feel that I've grown as a shutterbug by listening and looking at both comments on my work and on comments left to others on their work.

I comment, I rate when I feel the inclination. Am I disappointed when I can't comment, never really thougth of it in that way, so I guess not. 

Art is very subjective and I quote from my dictionary "subjective - existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought" . We see with our minds as well as with our eyes. What touches me may leave another with no impression.

And to wrap up this rather meandering post, we are all given free will, say or not, read or not, it's a matter of what each of us chooses.

Y'all have a good evening, enjoyed reading what everyone had to say,

Yvonne

Comment and ratings are a personal choice..

Renderosity allows you (the user) to decide..

The type of comment you get isn't always what you want..the check box is there, but I don't feel like anyone reads it..

But, that's OK...It's a preference...not an edict..

There are time when I wish I could comment on certain artists work...but I know they don't allow comments..It's their choice..

I wish I  had more time to comment on images..I view almost every image that gets uploaded to the photo gallery each day..That's part of being a Mod..But between that and all of the other stuff we do here, i don't have a lot of time for comments..I really wish I did..

Ratings..to each his own...I don't like ratings..I don't allow them nor do I give them.. I guess it really goes back to the old HOT 20 system..that used to cause more problems than I care to remember..

I think we've pretty much all had our say on this subject...

lets' be respectful of each other...move on and spend more time on Photography than fighting about a subject in which there is no right or wrong...

The first line of the Terms of Service Agreement says it all

Renderosity's Mission is to create a thriving, productive environment that encourages an atmosphere of community, respect, collaboration, and growth for graphic artists of all backgrounds.

Attached Link: Creature Comforts USA - What is Art?

Thanks Joe...........

:lol:

Odie @ : As says Marilyn "freedom to choose how we want to show our fotos"... and I agree with her.  For some reasons all people need this break and we can choose if we want open comment/rating or not and all people is free to make it. So, don't worry...*

*Gimi @ : I would like to know your feeling and not your " To illustrate the comments above"... because I'm , as always, in the target ?
It's for THIS reason I stop to post all the days...
Michel for IM, email or here directly, I really would like to know...

TwoPynts @: this war of comment and rating is always personal and you know Kort. For this reason, some good photographers on this site go out. You do not know what happen behind this site and when you know it, you really want to stop here.

We forget a really important point of  "**MISSION STATEMENT The mission of Renderosity is to create a thriving, productive environment that encourages an atmosphere of community, respect, collaboration, and growth for computer graphic artists, 3D & 2D digital artists, animators, photographers and writers of all backgrounds and levels. We are a community created by artists, for artists ... Because The Art Matters! "...**Member/User Conduct:

Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. Additionally, we hope that each member/user will work to facilitate a culture of collaboration and positive reinforcement, so we can all share our passion for art while developing our personal ambitions, and friendships.

Hehehehe Bruce, I'm happy to see other member to remember this mission statement :)